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hemale in pain posted:I think there's been cosmetic race alteration in like every single star trek series from enterprise to voyager. It just usually amounts to "hey OK let's glue this weird ridge-ey thing on your forehead aaaaand done" so it was NBD
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at least ds9 had the one episode where they all had to be klingons and worf had to coach them on how to be klingons because odo was too depressed to stand up straight and look people in the eyes when he talked
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Jan 10, 2018 20:56
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Mulaney Power Move posted:at least ds9 had the one episode where they all had to be klingons and worf had to coach them on how to be klingons because odo was too depressed to stand up straight and look people in the eyes when he talked Sisko, of course, made a great klingon.
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Jan 10, 2018 20:57
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Sisko, of course, made a great klingon. Brag all you want! But don't get between me, and the blood wine. God, can you imagine that episode redone with STD Klingons?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:06
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instead of drinking and wrestling it would be some kind of bizarre torture porn rave fetish party
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Jan 10, 2018 21:08
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I can't remember but how did Odo do a Klingon if he can't get noses right?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:10
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It was the first episode where he was a human after the previous season finale and he was being a real baby about it
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Jan 10, 2018 21:14
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Sisko, of course, made a great klingon. "Very good captain, but was it your intention to challenge me to a battle to the death?"
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Jan 10, 2018 21:27
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Mulaney Power Move posted:It was the first episode where he was a human after the previous season finale and he was being a real baby about it "Listen, I know your going through some major poo poo but I think bungling your way through a life a death mission with the galaxy at stake is just the thing to cheer you up. " - Sisko the very stable genius.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:33
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Sisko had to do something. The guy was just sitting at the bar and talking to the bubbles in his drink.
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:I hate the Tyler Plot. I hate thiiiiiis yeah i don't care enough about him for his panic attack scenes to have the appropriate impact it's like "ughhh okay we get it he's hosed up, great, thanks. we get it. WE GET IT ALREADY" still not quite as bad as the space orc scenes though Pac-Manioc Root posted:The best part is how with no/minimal explanation he has rigged up a simple robot brain to control spock's body till it can be reuinited with the brain. The remote control has like 5 buttons on it for like walk/stand/still... and as we see later "grab and restrain a nearby woman." What were you doing with that remote control before, Bones? there's a really good chance that Spock's Brain was deliberately written by Gene Coon (under his pen name Lee Cronin) to piss off Gene Roddenberry by being as silly/stupid a concept as possible, while still being totally shootable and thus unable for the show to reject as they were always desperately scrambling to get shootable scripts in (Coon and Roddenberry had clashed over the tone of the series)
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drilldo squirt posted:"Listen, I know your going through some major poo poo but I think bungling your way through a life a death mission with the galaxy at stake is just the thing to cheer you up. " - Sisko the very stable genius. Sisko is the tough stepdad Odo needed. Dr Moira is the deadbeat abuser dad. O’Brien is his butler.
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drilldo squirt posted:"Listen, I know your going through some major poo poo but I think bungling your way through a life a death mission with the galaxy at stake is just the thing to cheer you up. " - Sisko the very stable genius. Sisko wanted him along because no one else knew more about changlings and even as a hosed up drunk he was still a good detective, which he clearly laid out. Sisko was, as always, correct, and without Odo they would have assassinated the real chancellor and everything would have been turbo hosed.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:31
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Sisko isn't always right. He makes a ton of bad decisions. He had to resort to committing war crimes on a human colony to brig Eddington to heel.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:44
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Ruining that atmosphere was a great decision because the Maquis and Cardassians had to pull up stakes and swap homes, garages and back yards like a TLC show we were never worthy of seeing aired. Imagine waking up one morning and half your kitchen implements have only taspar preparation functions and there is a listening device inside the toilet.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:48
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And none of the stem bolts are self-sealing!
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Arcsquad12 posted:Sisko isn't always right. He makes a ton of bad decisions. He had to resort to committing war crimes on a human colony to brig Eddington to heel. Maquis were all pisspants crying about "why c-c-can't you just treat us like a real sovereign space nation with our own interests??  " well guess what happens when you start lobbing WMDs at your neighbors and ambushing starships while they're responding to a phony distress call
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Jan 10, 2018 23:13
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also lol at skipping over the fact that it wasn't just mean ol' Sisko hauling Eddington in because his fee-fees are boohoo, Eddington was planning to continue indiscriminately bombing Cardassian planets we all rightfully poo poo on TNG for being heinously morally cowardly at times ("but what if there's a cosmic plan, who are we to save a civilization from extinction without them ever knowing we were here??  ") but when it comes to a terrorist organization committing war crimes as part of a landgrab, suddenly it's "w-well hold on, it doesn't matter if Starfleet doesn't have resources to deal with this problem properly (because Eddington deliberately attacked those resources lol), if they can't deal with it in a nuanced and surgically precise fashion then they shouldn't do anything at all. shame about those spoonheads though. we'll just have to bring up the Maquis on war crimes charges which they'll definitely peacefully turn themselves in for"
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Jan 10, 2018 23:30
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Maquis were all pisspants crying about "why c-c-can't you just treat us like a real sovereign space nation with our own interests?? The best part is that Sisko doesn't even care about that. His only beef was that Eddington attacked a Federation starship. That is what crosse the line in Sisko's book. Michael attacked his ship, and for that the Maquis must suffer for his crime.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The best part is that Sisko doesn't even care about that. His only beef was that Eddington attacked a Federation starship. That is what crosse the line in Sisko's book. Michael attacked his ship, and for that the Maquis must suffer for his crime. It wasn't just Defiant, Eddington also attacked USS Malinche while the Malinche was responding to a phony distress call as part of a Maquis trap. That is super hosed up, like even by 18th century standards that would be a heinous war crime.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:33
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And yeah obviously there's a real personal bent to it for Sisko, and you can argue that these actions give him cover to exercise the massive and unhealthy grudge he held, but it's not nearly as simple as "lol Sisko's an insane war criminal"
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Jan 10, 2018 23:35
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The whole "Sisko is a war criminal"  thing has always been dumb. Oh poo poo guys we gassed a planet and then this  war criminal gassed ours and now we have to trade planets and then continue living in a prosperous post scarcity future! This is basically just like the holocaust.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:36
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Sisko basically committed ethnic cleansing on my lawn.
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duck monster posted:I had a drinking game lined up for this show that every time they mentioned a "Higgs boson", possible in a "beam" or "deflector" you'd have to drink. we've been rewatching DS9 at my house and most certainly have a drinking game going around "treknobabble" never heard that before, I like it
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Jan 10, 2018 23:39
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The Federation was more than happy to maintain a hands off approach to the DMZ so they wouldn't antagonize the Cardassians or the Dominion, so they probably gave him a carte blanche to deal with the Maquis before they instigated a full scale war that would drag Starfleet preemptively into conflict with an overwhelming force. I mean, look at how badly the Federation was getting beaten when they had months of buildup and weeks of advanced warning to mobilize their fleet. If the Maquis conflict had flared into open war, the Dominion would have been fully mobilized and on Earth's doorstep before the Federation would have had a chance to scramble a fleet together. I thought it was really ballsy to end the Dominion War with the Federation only barely scraping out a "victory" which was really more of an indefinite ceasefire due to external circumstances. If the war hadn't ended when it did due to Odo's intervention, Cardassia would have been put to the sword, and the Federation casualties would have been so severe in defeating the Dominion's alpha quadrant holdings that a fresh fleet from the Gamma Quadrant would have crushed them. There was never a single point in the war where you could argue that the Federation was ever "winning".
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Sisko did nothing wrong. ... Except maybe he should have taken out the remaining Maquis planets. It would have saved all of those people's lives, since they would be in Federation prison and not killed by the Jem'Hadar.
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Peachfart posted:Sisko did nothing wrong. The Maquis helped push Carassia into the Dominion alliance in the first place, so yeah, I hope those libertarian fucks enjoyed their easily replaceable dirt, it only cost billions of lives in the end.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The Maquis helped push Carassia into the Dominion alliance in the first place, so yeah, I hope those libertarian fucks enjoyed their easily replaceable dirt, it only cost billions of lives in the end. Its not like they got to keep it. The Dominion killed them pretty much right off.
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the thing you have to remember about the maquis and every first generation colonist is they are all fringe freaks that can't live on one of already hundreds of extremely chill, massively diverse federation worlds, because of their own hangups. all the federation is accepting, generous, caring and permissive and the only reason why you'd want out is if you can't stand people doing that, and that's after the federation's utopian schooling, engaged community and active psychotherapy. they're basically pilgrims, so furious at not having the religious freedom to persecute those godless catholics and ban christmas that they had to leave everything to probably starve to death
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Sisko, of course, made a great klingon. The best part is that he wasn't acting. He loving HATED the makeup, the makeup process, how it felt. He signed up for the show thinking he wouldn't ever need extensive makeup like worf. He said he just channeled all the rage he had about the klingon makeup into his Klingon acting, and it worked. Colm also hated having to do makeup and whined and whined about it to the point that they promised to never make him wear anything like that ever again because he was so extremely annoying about the whole thing.
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Michael Dorn loved it though because he got to rub it in their faces. "See? This is what I do every day for years!"
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Baronjutter posted:The best part is that he wasn't acting. He loving HATED the makeup, the makeup process, how it felt. He signed up for the show thinking he wouldn't ever need extensive makeup like worf. He said he just channeled all the rage he had about the klingon makeup into his Klingon acting, and it worked. Colm also hated having to do makeup and whined and whined about it to the point that they promised to never make him wear anything like that ever again because he was so extremely annoying about the whole thing.
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Baronjutter posted:Colm also hated having to do makeup and whined and whined about it to the point that they promised to never make him wear anything like that ever again because he was so extremely annoying about the whole thing. I bet the makeup had the same complaints about being on Colm.
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Colm Meaney has the second most appearances in star trek after Michael dorn but he's definitely the most prolific actor outside of star trek, discounting Patrick Stewart.
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Up until the last 5 minutes of the episode, where SUDDENLY Kes' lungs are viable options and she gives up one for him.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I thought they brainwashed a human into a Klingon with brain waves or some poo poo, not surgically altered a Klingon No, that would have been the sensible thing to do. They specifically mention in this episode that he has had his bones shortened in addition to weird scaring around all his internal organs. And federation medical has tests that detect hidden brainwashing. This was the opposite. The physically change a Klingon to look human through unbelievable surgery and gene therapy. Then implant a fake human personality on top of the Klingon psyche, which the scans aren't calibrated to detect because reasons. Not just any fake human personality, a particular dude who existed, had no surviving crew mates or close family to notice if he was acting weird, and had the right rank and training to be offered a high ranking position on the Discovery. That weird klingon lady has access to gene therapy, surgery, and brain scanning technology surpassing nearly everyone else in this time period.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:i think they regenerated his spine but it killed him but then he came back to life because his klingon backup battery kicked in Yeah, I think you're right. Been a while.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Up until the last 5 minutes of the episode, where SUDDENLY Kes' lungs are viable options and she gives up one for him. That's because the Vidian or whatever has the technology to make it work. Should have let him die and let them keep his corpse for parts.
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sweet geek swag posted:That's because the Vidian or whatever has the technology to make it work. Should have let him die and let them keep his corpse for parts. I swear they specifically say they just alter it to prevent tissue rejection. The main conceit of the dilemma was Talaxian lungs are way different from normal ones.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Colm Meaney has the second most appearances in star trek after Michael dorn but he's definitely the most prolific actor outside of star trek, discounting Patrick Stewart.
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