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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

rudatron posted:

he neither pushed the envelope in terms of understanding the world (kant) or society (marx), basically everything he wrote comes down to a fetish for aristocracy and his writings are a long quest to justify it, using as much bullshit as possible

the only reason he's still read is twofold, neither due to his actual philosophy: his Sick Nasty Burns are the favorites of shallow edgy losers everywhere, and the political right is ever in search of someone who can intellectualize their own self-serving desires

http://crookedtimber.org/2015/10/05/to-glorify-his-majesty-king-squirrel-i/

Here stands a guy who's never even bothered to read BG&E, let alone anything else.

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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
the truth hurts, tacky, but i know that someday you will fix your brain

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

rudatron posted:

the truth hurts, tacky, but i know that someday you will fix your brain

A pseudo-Marxist that's never read Hegel (or, indeed, Marx, based on your posting) and asserts that the Chinaman of Koenigsberg is the end of philosophy. Have you still not even read the 18th Brumaire?

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
'end of history'? that's your interpretation of 'pushing the envelope'? do you even understand the words you're using?

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Gas

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Lf thread has survived worst


Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Here stands a guy who's never even bothered to read BG&E, let alone anything else.

You seem real mad people are dunking on syphilitic philosophy man

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

rudatron posted:

'end of history'?

Here lies a man too stupid to effectively quote anyone.

"Dreddout"/ posted:

You seem real mad people are dunking on syphilitic philosophy man

It was a brain tumor.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Here lies a man too stupid to effectively quote anyone.


It was a brain tumor.
wut

you made a reference, it was dumb, and i called it

like i don't even care about your opinions on neitzsche now, i'm concerned that you can't process information correctly

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

rudatron posted:

wut

you made a reference, it was dumb, and i called it

like i don't even care about your opinions on neitzsche now, i'm concerned that you can't process information correctly

Use the '?' button and see if I ever used the phrase 'end of history.'

You're genuinely an idiot.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
what do you think the phrase 'end of philosophy' is a reference to? do you believe that 'pushing the envelope' is a reference to the same concept? is there a reason you'd rather double down that admit fault? do you think anyone else cares about your 'face'?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
reading vol. 1 of kotkin's bio of stalin and there's a pic in there of trotsky in full leather-daddy gear circa 1918. leather jacket and leather pants. apparently it was a fashion thing with some of the old bolsheviks and the cheka.

i gotta find this pic and post it

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
oh hi thread

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

reading vol. 1 of kotkin's bio of stalin and there's a pic in there of trotsky in full leather-daddy gear circa 1918. leather jacket and leather pants. apparently it was a fashion thing with some of the old bolsheviks and the cheka.

i gotta find this pic and post it
hot

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
this isn't the photo i was looking for but it's the same outfit:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGygaPaneIo&t=191s

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

rudatron posted:

what do you think the phrase 'end of philosophy' is a reference to? do you believe that 'pushing the envelope' is a reference to the same concept? is there a reason you'd rather double down that admit fault? do you think anyone else cares about your 'face'?

I don't believe you've read Heidegger because you've read literally no one.

Fauxbot
Jan 20, 2009

I need more wine.
everyone should read thus spoke zarathustra becauise it's funny as gently caress

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Xenosaga ftw

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

The real question is if bomber jackets and jeans are acceptable

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Plutonis posted:

Yung Hegelians

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

walgreenslatino posted:

I'm actually a little mad about comparing someone to St. Thomas Aquinas as an insult

I thought the same

does this mean I'm tradcath

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/951726240091852800

quote:

Irma lent new urgency to a plan, called Tarea Vida, or Project Life, adopted last spring by Cuba’s Council of Ministers. A decade in the making, the program bans construction of new homes in threatened coastal areas, mandates relocating people from communities doomed by rising sea levels, calls for an overhaul of the country’s agricultural system to shift crop production away from saltwater-contaminated areas, and spells out the need to shore up coastal defenses, including by restoring degraded habitat. “The overarching idea,” says Salabarría Fernández, “is to increase the resilience of vulnerable communities.”

But the cash-strapped government had made little headway. Now, “Irma [has] indicated to everybody that we need to implement Tarea Vida in a much more rapid way,” says Orlando Rey Santos, head of the environment division at Cuba’s Ministry of Science, Technology, and Environment (CITMA) here, which is spearheading the project. The government aims to spend at least $40 million on Project Life this year, and it has approached overseas donors for help. Italy was the first to respond, pledging $3.4 million to the initiative in November 2017. A team of Cuban experts has just finished drafting a $100 million proposal that the government plans to submit early this year to the Global Climate Fund, an international financing mechanism set up under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

Many countries with vulnerable coastlines are contemplating similar measures, and another island nation—the Seychelles— has offered to collaborate on boosting coastal protection in Cuba. But Project Life stands out for taking a long view: It intends to prepare Cuba for climatological impacts over the next century. “It’s impressive,” says marine scientist David Guggenheim, president of Ocean Doctor, a nonprofit in Washington, D.C., that has projects in Cuba. “Cuba is an unusual country in that they actually respect their scientists, and their climate change policy is science driven.”

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Cuba has like the smallest death rate in the Caribbean during hurricanes but it's likely due to them having an actually decent emergency system. https://web.archive.org/web/2007092..._Storm-2004.pdf

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Weeping Wound posted:

I thought the same

does this mean I'm tradcath

No, but you are a basic bitch when it comes to medieval theology.

Also possibly a crypto-lutheran

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Cuba rules and should be the baseline model for any socialist.

Nordic worship is for liberals, sorry.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
there is a recent jacobin article about it and it

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/hurricane-harvey-cuba-disaster-plan

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

GalacticAcid posted:

Cuba rules and should be the baseline model for any socialist.

Nordic worship is for racist liberals, sorry.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

GalacticAcid posted:

Cuba rules and should be the baseline model for any socialist.

Nordic worship is for liberals, sorry.

why can't we like both!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

GalacticAcid posted:

Cuba rules and should be the baseline model for any socialist.

Nordic worship is for liberals, sorry.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


it's true cuba pretty much nailed social democracy

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

People downplay Norwegian socialism I think because they're really white or something? Norwegian government owns more wealth in the country than the Chinese state does in china

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
my brother visited cuba recently and he said its amazing but that a lot of the buildings that people live in are absolutely hosed

https://twitter.com/Kylokentarn/status/951884081687683072

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Karl Barks posted:

People downplay Norwegian socialism I think because they're really white or something? Norwegian government owns more wealth in the country than the Chinese state does in china

oil money making it hard to judge though

sweden works better, but did, much like the us, strike it quite rich off of ww2. denmark, much at it pains me to say it, is probably the place to look to for a fairly sensible take without too many obvious recent structural advantages

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
denmark is currently destroying its welfare state because of racism lol

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

which is a pretty accurate reflection of the state of things ityool 2018, almost no matter where you turn

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Karl Barks posted:

People downplay Norwegian socialism I think because they're really white or something? Norwegian government owns more wealth in the country than the Chinese state does in china

The most important distinction is that Cuba's system is anti-imperialist while Norway depends on global capitalism. How do you quantify "public wealth" exactly? Because if it's financialized in the form of a sovereign wealth fund, like Norway has, it's not exactly socialism. Socialism is institutional and pervasive.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The most important distinction is that Cuba's system is anti-imperialist while Norway depends on global capitalism. How do you quantify "public wealth" exactly? Because if it's financialized in the form of a sovereign wealth fund, like Norway has, it's not exactly socialism. Socialism is institutional and pervasive.

lol if you think that "anti-imperialism" can exist in one country in a world characterized by global capital

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yossarian-22 posted:

lol if you think that "anti-imperialism" can exist in one country in a world characterized by global capital

the mechanisms are there, is the point. the Cuban system developed in a context where no one country built socialism alone, which is why they took such a big hit from the Soviet Union going belly up. but still Cuba has been the most resilient, and hasn't embraced marketization the way China and Vietnam did.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

also, anti-imperialism does exist in one country, and that country is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea :smug:

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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Venezuela accounts for like 21% of Cuba's GDP and its tanking is set to cause inevitable austerity measures, for one thing

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