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The problem with Dream Theatre is not the self indulgent lyrics or long songs, it's the fact that they're basically cheese metal with time signatures.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:The problem with Dream Theatre is not the self indulgent lyrics or long songs, it's the fact that they're basically cheese metal with time signatures. It's the opposite of the problem, imo.
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Jan 12, 2018 12:55
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Plus simply adding Tony Levin to *any* band would improve it. And usually has.
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Jan 12, 2018 14:15
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Rust Martialis posted:Plus simply adding Tony Levin to *any* band would improve it. And usually has. He makes the Tony Levin Band listenable and they’re kinda bad.
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Jan 12, 2018 14:47
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Paladinus posted:You want a hot take? I love Systematic Chaos and even Black Clouds & Silver Linings. This is a midtemp take, the hot take is “i only like the post-portnoy albums especially their 2 hour future space medieval CRPG album”
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Jan 12, 2018 16:24
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Anyone got the $75 Astonishing book?
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Jan 12, 2018 16:26
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tote up a bags posted:This is a midtemp take, the hot take is “i only like the post-portnoy albums especially their 2 hour future space medieval CRPG album” A take this hot would burn down the sun.
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Jan 12, 2018 21:34
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Hey if you haven't heard any of the Steve Hackett solo material, it's really good stuff. He did a couple of Genesis Revisited albums and there's some really good versions of classic songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXUKMMTqqo It feels more like a remix than a rerecording at places, but it's pretty faithful renditions to the old tracks.
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Jan 12, 2018 22:12
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I was very moved by his brief nod to a lesser known later period Genesis number https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsfO5ilk7hM
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Jan 12, 2018 22:17
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Seventh Arrow posted:Oblivion Sun
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Jan 12, 2018 23:15
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Incoherence posted:Opeth? Just pretend everything after [choose one: MAYH, Blackwater Park, Watershed] never happened. Yeah I really liked Pale Communion but Oblivion Sun is actually good! More people should check 'em out.
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Jan 12, 2018 23:40
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tote up a bags posted:This is a midtemp take, the hot take is “i only like the post-portnoy albums especially their 2 hour future space medieval CRPG album” I got off of the Dream Theater train around BCaSL but I listened to their self-titled a couple times and it seemed pretty good. Shame about the follow-up.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:04
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Just found out Ray Thomas died last weekend. The Moody Blues was one of the first bands I got into, and I always liked Ray Thomas's songs. They always seemed so innocent and old timey. Definitely not what you would expect from even a proto-prog band of that era.
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Jan 13, 2018 07:41
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Paladinus posted:You want a hot take? I love Systematic Chaos and even Black Clouds & Silver Linings. I can dig that. I (mostly) like both of those albums too. That said, I think the disc of covers in the Black Clouds special edition is better than either.
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Jan 13, 2018 07:41
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Incoherence posted:Opeth? Just pretend everything after [choose one: MAYH, Blackwater Park, Watershed] never happened. Watershed is probably my favorite Opeth album. Although I really like Ghost Reveries too. I love it when they bring in the mellotron.
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Jan 13, 2018 07:42
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Vargatron posted:Hey if you haven't heard any of the Steve Hackett solo material, it's really good stuff. He did a couple of Genesis Revisited albums and there's some really good versions of classic songs. Steve Hackett puts on an incredible show every time I've seen him.
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Fenrir posted:I wish Porcupine Tree had a different name because they deserve to be on that list but it's not like you can kick Pink Floyd. A human heart posted:Pink Floyd should be kicked as far away as possible Porcupine Tree is basically Pink Floyd 2.0
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Jan 13, 2018 07:47
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Opeth are fantastic live, and Åkerfeldt is a pretty cool dude in general. Imo, they deserve the O. Oblivion Sun I have never even heard of.
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Jan 13, 2018 09:59
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Gianthogweed posted:Just found out Ray Thomas died last weekend. The Moody Blues was one of the first bands I got into, and I always liked Ray Thomas's songs. They always seemed so innocent and old timey. Definitely not what you would expect from even a proto-prog band of that era. That sucks. The Moodies were my first concert as a small person, and Thomas played the poo poo out of it, even as the massive swarm of insects around the stage (in a literal cow pasture in upstate new york in the summer, so every bug in the northeast congregated to the lights) circled around him and even got in his flute once.
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Jan 13, 2018 10:49
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Paladinus posted:Opeth are fantastic live, and Åkerfeldt is a pretty cool dude in general. Imo, they deserve the O. Oblivion Sun I have never even heard of. You should check them out, especially their first album.
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Jan 13, 2018 15:33
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Gianthogweed posted:Watershed is probably my favorite Opeth album. Although I really like Ghost Reveries too. I love it when they bring in the mellotron. You might like the Finnish band Perihelion Ship. Opeth worship with lots of Hammonds and moogs and trons. but very well executed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6B3q1wY9L4
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Jan 13, 2018 18:19
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Seventh Arrow posted:You should check them out, especially their first album. Just listened to it. It sounded Swedish-ish to me, which I tend to like, but it didn't click with me. It's hard for me to get into instrumentals to begin with, though, and the album is pretty heavy on that.
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Jan 13, 2018 19:58
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Gianthogweed posted:Porcupine Tree is basically Pink Floyd 2.0 This was true prior to about 2001. They branched out pretty thoroughly after that
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Jan 13, 2018 21:45
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Iucounu posted:This was true prior to about 2001. They branched out pretty thoroughly after that Its cool that a band can suck and then go on to sucking in a variety of different and novel ways instead
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Jan 14, 2018 00:10
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A human heart posted:Its cool that a band can suck and then go on to sucking in a variety of different and novel ways instead better than sucking in the same way for years! Any band will stagnate and get boring if they don't try to keep doing new stuff, imo. PT is good, by the way.
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hexwren posted:That sucks. The Moodies were my first concert as a small person, and Thomas played the poo poo out of it, even as the massive swarm of insects around the stage (in a literal cow pasture in upstate new york in the summer, so every bug in the northeast congregated to the lights) circled around him and even got in his flute once. Haha I bet they never played there again. The Moodies are a great live band. I saw them once at Jones Beach in the late 90s. Every song they played sounded better than it did on the record. I hear they’re finally getting inducted into the R&RHOF. I wonder if Pinder will play with them again. It’s just too bad Thomas didn’t live to attend the induction.
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Iucounu posted:This was true prior to about 2001. They branched out pretty thoroughly after that I guess. Thing is I actually prefer their earlier stuff. The Sky Moves Sideways is probably my favorite of their’s. Fear of a blank planet is also quite good though.
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The thing about newer Opeth is that the songwriting is less focused and more prog for the sake of prog. Now I know you ask "how can 10 minute songs be focused?", but up until Watershed, it felt like each movement in a song was making it's own statement and had some sort of direction. Also, the pinnacle of Pink Floyd had to be the Wish You Were Here album. Once you start getting into Animals and The Wall, Waters started getting too overpowering in the material and it caused the music to suffer as a result.
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Vargatron posted:The thing about newer Opeth is that the songwriting is less focused and more prog for the sake of prog. Now I know you ask "how can 10 minute songs be focused?", but up until Watershed, it felt like each movement in a song was making it's own statement and had some sort of direction. Animals is their best album, fool
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Maybe I just prefer Gilmour over Waters on vocals.
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Vargatron posted:Maybe I just prefer Gilmour over Waters on vocals. Gilmour is a far better vocalist. But I do like that they all shared lead vocals. I generally prefer bands that have multiple leads, even if it's clear that one lead vocal is far better than the others. The variation is nice to hear. This is one of the reasons I liked The Moody Blues too. Hayward is clearly the true vocal talent (and is a pretty awesome guitarist to boot), but I'm glad that they all had their moments on each of the "classic" albums. That being said, I think I would have preferred a bit more Gilmour and less Waters on Animals, and it would have been nice if Wright had a moment or two. His ghostly voice was always cool to hear. Also, as much as I like Animals, it does drag a bit here and there. WYWH also had long songs, but I never left like it dragged. Hawklad posted:You might like the Finnish band Perihelion Ship. Opeth worship with lots of Hammonds and moogs and trons. but very well executed: Listening to this now. Pretty drat cool. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Gianthogweed posted:I generally prefer bands that have multiple leads nooooo... 
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Henchman of Santa posted:Animals is their best album, fool This is the correct answer.
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Seventh Arrow posted:nooooo... On the other hand, the Beach Boys. Through Holland, they had at least eight different folks sing lead vocals on an entire song, seven of which could actually sing. Then Brian and Dennis tore up their voices with cigarettes/drugs. I dunno.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:On the other hand, the Beach Boys. Through Holland, they had at least eight different folks sing lead vocals on an entire song, seven of which could actually sing. Then Brian and Dennis tore up their voices with cigarettes/drugs. And The Beatles. It was pretty clear McCartney had the strongest voice followed closely by Lennon and Harrison with good old Ringo in distant fourth. But I'm glad they all had lead parts in their songs. Even Ringo. Too much of the same sound gets boring to me. I like diversity in my music. Seventh Arrow posted:nooooo... Point taken, but Kiss just sucks and it wasn't necessarily their voices that ruined it.
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Vargatron posted:The thing about newer Opeth is that the songwriting is less focused and more prog for the sake of prog. Now I know you ask "how can 10 minute songs be focused?", but up until Watershed, it felt like each movement in a song was making it's own statement and had some sort of direction. I don't know what I would call what Opeth are doing now. The one song I heard from Sorceress sounded like Dethklok.
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Vulture Culture posted:Acid Rain was a cool song but I can't actually remember a single other thing they've done Acid Rain rules. Paradigm Shift is the other LTE song I'm unlikely to forget. I was surprised when Petrucci put out his solo album. It's waaayyy less wanky than I would've thought - to the point where a few of the songs would be easily within the grasp of hobbyist guitar players. I liked them.
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Astrochicken posted:I don't know what I would call what Opeth are doing now. "Bad"
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Astrochicken posted:I don't know what I would call what Opeth are doing now. The one song I heard from Sorceress sounded like Dethklok. I have no idea which song that could be considering it’s a metallish prog rock album and IIRC Mikael never growls on it.
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What could be more prog than playing a Yes song on retro computer parts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmFuK-tdRpk
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