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Relentlessboredomm posted:I have a pet theory that reading great satire in your formative years really primes you to love leftist politics. I'm waiting for the day that theory gets destroyed when some poo poo head like Ted Cruz talks about loving Vonnegut with zero self-awareness like Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine. I was blown away when a few years ago I found out basically all of Steely Dan's music is intentionally subversive. I think a ton of that kind of messaging especially in music passes right over most people's heads, and I definitely include myself in that, I'm not immune at all.
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I loving loved book fairs. I also loved the little catalogues we'd get during the year and we'd bring them back with our money and a few weeks later at the start of class our orders would be waiting for us on our desks
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Jan 13, 2018 00:10
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The best part of the book fair was sitting around and mooching off the one kid who actually splashed some cash to buy a copy of that year's Guinness Book of World Records
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Jan 13, 2018 00:12
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Leperflesh posted:I was blown away when a few years ago I found out basically all of Steely Dan's music is intentionally subversive. I think a ton of that kind of messaging especially in music passes right over most people's heads, and I definitely include myself in that, I'm not immune at all. I think this is easier to do with music than it is with literature though. That said the band Paul Ryan didn't understand is literally called Rage Against the Machine, it's not exactly subtle. Speaking of satire, I loved this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/01/12/the-day-donald-trump-first-became-a-stable-genius/?utm_term=.e280b850a536 quote:Had the people around him always been so … distinctly underwhelming? Trump wondered. He went to the window and looked down. There were several protesters with signs that contained obvious solecisms. This was a word he understood now.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:13
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I think this is easier to do with music than it is with literature though. That said the band Paul Ryan didn't understand is literally called Rage Against the Machine, it's not exactly subtle. I listened to a fair amount of Rage before I bothered to understand it, and was subsequently mildly embarrassed to be a white fan of RatM, understanding that I and in particular my parents were unquestionably part of the Machine. That said, I figured this out at the age of 20 or 25 or something, and I was never conservative, much less a hardcore libertarian jackass like Ryan.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:24
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Leperflesh posted:I listened to a fair amount of Rage before I bothered to understand it, and was subsequently mildly embarrassed to be a white fan of RatM, understanding that I and in particular my parents were unquestionably part of the Machine. Just as an absolute baseline, if you're a politician in a position of power within the Republican party you can't talk about how much you love punk bands or anything called Rage Against the Machine. I'm not even concerned about the nuances of what they sing about, just purely on the surface it's absurd.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:33
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Are there any conservative punk bands? They must be awful.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:38
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swickles posted:While the attending has final say, the resident does make a lot of the decision making, especially if he is in his 4th or 5th year. Way back but I saw an actual surgeon and got some hyaluronate injections in both knees and a referral for a scope on my hip because I might have some avascular necrosis on the top of my femur! I was only waiting for two hours because one of the nurses put all the charts in the absent doctor's office. When I went outside and loudly mused "hey I've been waiting for 2 hours here" they figured it out and the doc had just been sitting in his office wondering where the hell his patients for the day where at. the doc also thinks my random knee buckling is actually the result of the massive bulging disc between my l4-l5 more than any mechanical problem with my knee.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:43
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Are there any conservative punk bands? They must be awful. Skrewdriver and associated neonazi stuff is what you're looking at.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:48
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Are there any conservative punk bands? They must be awful. When I think punk bands I don't think of a political party. I don't see punk bands as being mostly liberal. Punk bands are supposed to be anarchist. RATM played a free show during the democratic national convention to protest the two party system and said that our democracy had been hijacked and we should "protest these motherfuckers" lol
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Jan 13, 2018 00:50
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Just as an absolute baseline, if you're a politician in a position of power within the Republican party you can't talk about how much you love punk bands or anything called Rage Against the Machine. I'm not even concerned about the nuances of what they sing about, just purely on the surface it's absurd. Libertarians genuinely believe themselves to be outsiders who are trying to tear down the unjust terribleness of Government. I'm sure Ryan thinks the Machine is like, Medicare or something.
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Ehud posted:When I think punk bands I don't think of a political party. I don't see punk bands as being mostly liberal. Punk bands are supposed to be anarchist. Yeah, punk is predominantly anarchist, and ties in with a lot of far left groups because of that, but the idea of a liberal punk band is 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Are there any conservative punk bands? They must be awful. One of the Ramones was an arch-conservative
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OxySnake posted:On that note what is everyone's favorite books? I love myself myself some Catch 22, and really almost anything by Palahniuk / Vonnegut. Dune is my go-to whenever this question is asked, I've read it four or five times and always get something new out of it. Those weird pre-chapter musings on history and politics hit a lot closer to home in our current political climate. James Clavell's Shogun is also one of my favorites but it's dense as gently caress, so be warned. VV sup 
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Jan 13, 2018 00:56
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^^^^my fuckin man I had a time trying to figure out Fugazi's political leanings. It's difficult to wrap your head around straight edge liberals. Fugazi rules.
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Jan 13, 2018 00:59
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Leperflesh posted:Libertarians genuinely believe themselves to be outsiders who are trying to tear down the unjust terribleness of Government. I'm sure Ryan thinks the Machine is like, Medicare or something. This is sad and probably true. Gonna tear down the evil machine giving poor people and old people healthcare.
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Jan 13, 2018 01:00
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I love satire and Russian novels apparently. Oh also Wind-up Bird Chronicle, that book blew my loving mind. Also same. I have read most of Murakami's books, but I have had trouble getting into his last two. Also Brothers Karamazov owns. 
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Dude where the Red Fern Grows has the dogs that get killed after saving the kid. It's loving depressing. Not Flowers for Algernon depressing but still. The kid has two dogs from the same litter, a brother and sister. The brother saves the kid from a mountain lion but is mortally wounded in the process. The sister becomes depressed, refuses to eat, and also dies gently caress that book 
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Jan 13, 2018 01:01
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Kalli posted:Yeah, punk is predominantly anarchist, and ties in with a lot of far left groups because of that, but the idea of a liberal punk band is I'm shocked people don't recall the famous NOFX song "More Government"
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Jan 13, 2018 01:02
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There was a time in my life when I would have answered the question "what is your favorite novel" with a Star Wars title. Now they're just my second favorite.
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OxySnake posted:Also same. I have read most of Murakami's books, but I have had trouble getting into his last two. Also Brothers Karamazov owns.  Oh yea, I haven't read any Murakami past Kafka on the Shore which was quite good. My favorite thing about Brother's Karamazov in the modern era is how often politicians say that they're currently reading it during interviews. How was that the book the political machines landed on? Intruder posted:The kid has two dogs from the same litter, a brother and sister. The brother saves the kid from a mountain lion but is mortally wounded in the process. The sister becomes depressed, refuses to eat, and also dies It's a brutal ending. Oddly, most of the saddest things I've ever read were when I was in middle school/high school. I've either become too cynical as I age or they push all the brutally hosed up stuff on kids. Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:One of the Ramones was an arch-conservative Johnny. Total dick too.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:
it's bad for them, you see, because people with multiple sclerosis or dementia should bootstrap themselves and/or have been wiser about how they invested their first million dollars they got from their parents It can be shocking to come face to face with this sort of argument earnestly and honestly put forward by someone you previously respected, but it's happened to me at least three times, between a few friends and a family member. People earnestly insisting that a social safety net destroys the people it's supposed to help because only the harsh lessons of deprivation can teach people to be self-sufficient. A lot of these people don't recognize that their ideology is also racist, so they see no inconsistency when they proudly enjoy hip hop or something.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:
Seems like an odd one considering the conservative ethos is Ayn Rand, and I would imagine Tolstoy would be a better fit for liberals. Maybe because it is a long book that they think most people haven't read so it sounds deep?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I loving loved book fairs. I also loved the little catalogues we'd get during the year and we'd bring them back with our money and a few weeks later at the start of class our orders would be waiting for us on our desks This right here. Being a little kid and excited about reading owned
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Leperflesh posted:it's bad for them, you see, because people with multiple sclerosis or dementia should bootstrap themselves and/or have been wiser about how they invested their first million dollars they got from their parents Yea I've known a bunch of people like this, and they're always fun to gently caress with because libertarianism is so poorly thought out but all its adherents think they're brilliant intellectuals. Of course I've also never once met one who wasn't a middle class, healthy white dude who fancies themselves a reader having only really read Fountainhead.
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OxySnake posted:Also same. I have read most of Murakami's books, but I have had trouble getting into his last two. Also Brothers Karamazov owns. Hard Boiled Wonderland is probably still my favorite of his, perhaps because it was the first I read. I read Karamazov in high school and really enjoyed it, but I’m not sure I’d ever read it again. I *do* need to reread Master and Margarita. Favorite books: Catch-22 Gravity’s Rainbow The Moor’s Last Sigh Mysteries of Pittsburgh Foucault’s Pendulum Player Piano
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Fun Fact: nobody in the world has ever actually read Gravity's Rainbow
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[quote="“OxySnake”" post="“480219459”"] and I would imagine Tolstoy would be a better fit for liberals. [/quote] It’s because Karamazov is a big book about ideas, but also because it’s fundamentally an emotional argument against materialism and conservatives view themselves as defenders of faith and goodness against the crusading hordes of secular materialism. That they are also unabashedly the party devoted wholly to the desires of the wealthy causes no apparent dissonance.
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[quote="“Alaois”" post="“480219750”"] Fun Fact: nobody in the world has ever actually read Gravity’s Rainbow [/quote] The best part is when the double agent who domme’s the British officer shits in his mouth.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s because Karamazov is a big book about ideas, but also because it’s fundamentally an emotional argument against materialism and conservatives view themselves as defenders of faith and goodness against the crusading hordes of secular materialism. Want to frame this perfect post
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OxySnake posted:On that note what is everyone's favorite books? I love myself myself some Catch 22, and really almost anything by Palahniuk / Vonnegut. Dune, specifically God Emperor or Confederacy of Dunces. I knew some Ignatius types and haven't laughed at a book like that before or after. On the Dune note, I wonder is this is some retarded form of Trump's Peace to make us change our ways/long for the civility we used to have.
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I had a grad school interview today at Elon in NC. Part of it was going over the curriculum. I remember them talking about history and examination where you misspell your own name https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/951966145803845632
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Silly Burrito posted:I've only ever read the expanded one. Don't know why I never picked up the first one, but Read the original (abridged; unexpanded). So much tighter and shows what an editor can do.
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Even in high school when I was forced to read Anthem, I knew it was bullshit and was kinda horrified the entire time I read it. Of course, I can't brag too much because I was reading the Economist and it was secretly poisoning my high school brain.
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i made scallops. i had 1 1/2 lbs so i did em in 2 batches, the first came out great and the second picked up too much of the burned on crap from the last one so they aren't golden brown pretty. they taste great though. made some spaghetti and tossed it in butter that i cooked some garlic in, and some frozen peas in a steamer bagMr. Nice! posted:Way back but I saw an actual surgeon and got some hyaluronate injections in both knees and a referral for a scope on my hip because I might have some avascular necrosis on the top of my femur! nhl goalies have this or some other problem with their hips because apparently that joint doesn't get great bloodflow
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Probably Magic posted:Even in high school when I was forced to read Anthem, I knew it was bullshit and was kinda horrified the entire time I read it. One of the many wild stories of the past two years is the Economist arguing to raise taxes on the rich and generally becoming much more left as they're forced to face the reality of a lot of the dumber policies they've promoted over the years.
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Hell yeah. Two hours after I should've left work and I finally finished that self eval. Thank you for the endless distraction book chat
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my experience with the book fairs was buying the erasers that were like clay and the stacking pencils
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