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Ema Nymton posted:Adam Driver can act. It seems like that's the only thing people can mostly agree on from TLJ. We're all hoping you're right i.e., that the writers wanted/intended a Darth Emo / Darth Screams-a-lot character. I'm not yet convinced. gaj70 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Yeah MM, I am not the hottest for TLJ but that's a dumb loving point. Of course she told him all about it.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:52
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gaj70 posted:We're all hoping you're right i.e., that the writers wanted/intended a Darth Emo / Darth Screams-a-lot character. I'm not yet convinced.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:55
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I hate that loving meme of him being a whiny emo boy mr.mad as if it's some loving super burn that after you type it you sit back in your chair admiring your own loving post. Shut the gently caress up and think for yourself instead of repeating the same jokes ad-nauseam.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:02
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Was the color off at many theaters, or did people actually see blue milk? It's blue in the meme Mark Hamill posted :nsfw: 
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Jan 12, 2018 19:03
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What are you suggesting? That they just accidentally wrote a really good character? Maybe I'm older, but his temper tantrums in both movies made him completely unlikable. He comes off as a 5 yro, not a man. I can conceive story arcs where that makes sense. Just not ones where Kylo is the primary antagonist.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:04
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gaj70 posted:Maybe I'm older, but his temper tantrums in both movies made him completely unlikable. He comes off as a 5 yro, not a man. Your criteria for something making sense is whether you want to be friends with a character or admire them. That's not a criteria for "make sense", that's a criteria for having imaginary friends.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:05
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gaj70 posted:Maybe I'm older, but his temper tantrums in both movies made him completely unlikable. He comes off as a 5 yro, not a man. You don't have to like an antagonist for him to be a good antagonist. Often, it actually helps if you don't.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:06
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I don't see the 5yo argument at all.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:06
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I can totally understand and accept that some people cannot stand Kylo. My brain knows I shouldn't like him at all. Thus I admire how Driver made me somehow forget that and engage with the character anyway. In other words, he did things to evoke an emotional response from me, AKA acting. Hayden Christensen couldn't do that. And they're both swole, so it wasn't the giant pecs that made me like Kylo (OK, it helped). In a way, Kylo's the Anakin that should've been.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:18
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Ema Nymton posted:In a way, Kylo's the Anakin that should've been. Whoa. This is true. Kylo's even more overtly petulant and pathetic than Anakin yet we still like him.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:21
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Ema Nymton posted:I can totally understand and accept that some people cannot stand Kylo. My brain knows I shouldn't like him at all. Thus I admire how Driver made me somehow forget that and engage with the character anyway. In other words, he did things to evoke an emotional response from me, AKA acting. Hayden Christensen couldn't do that. And they're both swole, so it wasn't the giant pecs that made me like Kylo (OK, it helped). In a way, Kylo's the Anakin that should've been. When we left the theater, my wife asked, "So can no Jedi grow chest hair, or is it just the Skywalker bloodline?" And I honestly had to tell her I wasn't sure, because the same sizes for both that we've seen are too small.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:22
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To me having someone that unstable and immature in a position of power is truly terrifying. You can clearly see how his evil actions arise from insecurity and weakness. So I'm glad he called off his trip to the UK.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:32
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Irony Be My Shield posted:To me having someone that unstable and immature in a position of power is truly terrifying. You can clearly see how his evil actions arise from insecurity and weakness. So I'm glad he called off his trip to the UK. 
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Jan 12, 2018 19:33
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Whoa. This is true. Kylo's even more overtly petulant and pathetic than Anakin yet we still like him. I think Kylo Ren benefits a bit from the fact that he has fewer expectations. Darth Vader is considered one of the greatest movie villains of all time and despite the fact he's kinda a whiny baby even in the original films the presentation more than carries him through that, so Anakin Skywalker had a lot more going for him. Kylo Ren is deVadered almost at once and it's explicit he's trying and failing to live up to what he views as Vader's legacy so him being crappier-than-Vader is something the audience is expected to agree with.
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Jan 12, 2018 19:37
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thrawn527 posted:You don't have to like an antagonist for him to be a good antagonist. Often, it actually helps if you don't. Ideally, you'd 'love to hate' a good antagonist. edit x2: Personally, I don't 'like' Kylo, in the sense I like to have a beer with him. And certainly don't 'fear' him. He's more... just irritating / lacking in personal charisma. gaj70 fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 19:39
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Kylo Ren is mroe clearly heroic and righteous from the start, which is why he's more sympathetic - in TFA he executes pompous mystics like Max von Sydow's character and scumbags like Han Solo, and in TLJ he's established as the hope for the future when he declares that he's going to destroy the Jedi and the Republic.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:18
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gaj70 posted:We're all hoping you're right i.e., that the writers wanted/intended a Darth Emo / Darth Screams-a-lot character. I'm not yet convinced. How the gently caress do you watch these movie and come away thinking Kylo isn’t supposed to be that way? Do you think they just had to cast Adam Driver, like there weren’t fifty scary acrobatic musclemen waiting to be a star war villain? Paging smg, plz draw lines on a screencap of Kylo
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Jan 12, 2018 22:04
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 Am I doing it right. SMG help.
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gently caress YEAH ADAM DRIVER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEcI0rD_SyM
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Jan 12, 2018 22:42
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That's the funny thing, if he didn't openly say stuff like that, you wouldn't know he hadn't seen the movie because everything he's said about TLJ is pretty accurate. As more than twenty-four hours have elapsed, it is now unclear whether I have seen the The Last Jedi. It is plausible that I have seen it at least once, and entirely possible that I have seen it upwards of ten times. CountFosco posted:Wouldn't Rey map onto the character of the French revolutionary more than Kylo, then? No; the Gladiatorerna character directly analogous to Rey would be the offscreen (and bizarrely omnipresent) interviewer/documentarian.
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Jan 12, 2018 23:06
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Kylo Ren is mroe clearly heroic and righteous from the start, which is why he's more sympathetic - in TFA he executes pompous mystics like Max von Sydow's character and scumbags like Han Solo, and in TLJ he's established as the hope for the future when he declares that he's going to destroy the Jedi and the Republic. I don't think I'd describe the extrajudicial killing of astrologers and drug runners as heroic or righteous.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7I0xJNIxiE
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Jan 12, 2018 23:21
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You can tell SMG hasn't seen it because all his talking points are heavily TFA mediated, the read is mostly riffs on the broad criticism others have brought up (it's reflexively critical of the other movies but finally degenerates into "Star Wars iscool), and he pointedly never mentions the inexplicable scene where Luke eats poo poo and babbles about "decaffeinated Star Wars, Star Wars without the stars" which should be right up his alley.
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Jan 12, 2018 23:33
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This should have stayed in the movie.  Vintersorg posted:I hate that loving meme of him being a whiny emo boy mr.mad as if it's some loving super burn that after you type it you sit back in your chair admiring your own loving post. Mary Poppins.
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Vintersorg posted:gently caress YEAH ADAM DRIVER  AndyElusive posted:This should have stayed in the movie. I would've liked to see that too! ...but I'm glad it wasn't. That would've been just too much negativity on Downer Island.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It is plausible that I have seen it at least once, and entirely possible that I have seen it upwards of ten times. This is perfect - best poster in the thread - and I feel indignation that such a poster was made to suffer the indignity of a probation.
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Jan 13, 2018 03:04
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SMG is clearly Rian Johnson
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I recall the milk being a greenish color 
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Jan 13, 2018 03:31
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Imma go see this a second time on monday. First time was from an awful angle in like the 2nd row. I thought it was very okay. 2nd viewing may change that attitude. e: milk seemed blue green to me in the theater I saw it in.
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Maybe these blue milk people (not referencing the nsfw picture) have a native language where the word for green evolved relatively late.
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Jan 13, 2018 05:36
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I recall Ach-To having a very blue color palette. I thought it was blue milk at first too, but upon reviewing the scene afterwards, that might have been influenced by the surroundings.
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Jan 13, 2018 06:06
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It's teal, the color of the future!
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Jan 13, 2018 07:05
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The milk is green but "blue milk" is such a well known part of pop-culture for so long that a lot of people just "remembered" it as blue when recollecting the scene later. Like how people earnestly remember the line like "Luke, I am your father." when that's not the actual line they heard.
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Jan 13, 2018 08:34
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I thought it was "Blue Milk"(TM). Which I remember being a bit green. Amazing, every word I said was wrong.
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Jan 13, 2018 08:38
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Uncle Wemus posted:SMG is clearly Rian Johnson Rian Johnson is a nice and humble man, not an smug rear end in a top hat.
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CelticPredator posted:Rian Johnson is a nice and humble man, not an smug rear end in a top hat. 
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CelticPredator posted:Rian Johnson is a nice and humble man, not an smug rear end in a top hat. Nice.
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Daisy Ridley is really good in this movie. The second time they connect, and she goes from monster to understanding him, all the looks she gives are so good. We need more nuance in our pulp more often
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