Open Marriage Night posted:If a reporter asked Trump about diplomatic relations with the African nation of Wakanda, and actually gets a bullshit response, I'd die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KwEDgpSWxo
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site posted:Wow it's a completely nondescript picture of Tom Hardy great Very true but I'm still struggling to think of anyone I'd rather see in the role. I hope he just plays it like his character in Taboo for the laughs.
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Jan 13, 2018 11:41
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I just can't wait to hear whatever weird voice he uses for Venom.
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Jan 13, 2018 14:45
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I know what I want from the Venom movie:
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Jan 13, 2018 14:47
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"Peter, you don't trust God when it comes to concrete."
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I just can't wait to hear whatever weird voice he uses for Venom. I still can't believe Spiderman 3 didn't bother. Topher Grace's voice coming out of Venom unaltered is... less than menacing.
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Jan 13, 2018 15:09
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iirc they set aside budget already to re-record all Venom lines when test audiences inevitably can't understand Hardy the first time
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Jan 13, 2018 15:43
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As neat as it might be to see a character study of Eddie Brock starring someone as good as Hardy, I still can't fathom how they can make Venom work without the Spider-man connection.
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catlord posted:I still can't believe Spiderman 3 didn't bother. Topher Grace's voice coming out of Venom unaltered is... less than menacing. I think it's slightly deeper; but it does just sound like Topher Grace with a cold.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:11
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Electromax posted:iirc they set aside budget already to re-record all Venom lines when test audiences inevitably can't understand Hardy the first time He should just go for "someone doing a bad Sean Connery impression in the apartment above you" again.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:39
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How is the setting supposed to work? I assume Sony is still set on having their Spidey Cinematic Universe, but is it launching off Homecoming? Is Homecoming going to be in a position where it's in both the MCU and whatever Sony's doing?
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Ojjeorago posted:He should just go for "someone doing a bad Sean Connery impression in the apartment above you" again.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:38
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He should sound like the Skeleton
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Lurdiak posted:As neat as it might be to see a character study of Eddie Brock starring someone as good as Hardy, I still can't fathom how they can make Venom work without the Spider-man connection. He’s not Eddie, he’s Flash with Eddie’s name. So he’s going to be basically Punisher.
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Lurdiak posted:As neat as it might be to see a character study of Eddie Brock starring someone as good as Hardy, I still can't fathom how they can make Venom work without the Spider-man connection. Spoiler: It won't, but they'll try to make him a generic anti-hero fighting his own violent impulses ala Lethal Protector or some poo poo. Also afaik they can reference Spider-Man in Venom, they just can't have the Holland version character actually showing up in it. So you could have Hardy being pissed off about the constantly-offscreen Spider-Man or I guess, even recast Pete as someone else and make that work. I mean, it won't work, it'll be bad, but that's what they could do.
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Electromax posted:iirc they set aside budget already to re-record all Venom lines when test audiences inevitably can't understand Hardy the first time I know test audiences are usually regarded as absolute dipshits who ruin all of what they touch, but remember that preview of DKR with the original bane voice? It was a mix of incomprehensible and inaudible. I have no idea how anyone thought the original version was usable.
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Aphrodite posted:He’s not Eddie, he’s Flash with Eddie’s name. My interest went from 2% to -10%.
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Samuringa posted:He should sound like the Skeleton Nyaaaaaaaaaah, Spider-Man!
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Jan 13, 2018 19:21
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Considering Flash is literally the only version of Venom worth a poo poo that's Real Weird Making "Eddie" Venom not-Punisher sounds Real Bad though, but if they went with the version of Venom that was actually, you know, good and revitalized a character into something actually interesting and one of Marvel's better heroes created within the last decade I won't complain
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Jan 13, 2018 19:22
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The name change makes sense. They already did Flash in Homecoming, and even though the movies aren’t really connected they’re not going to just use the same guy in both like that.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Considering Flash is literally the only version of Venom worth a poo poo that's Real Weird Eddie Brock might have a largely unfortunate history in the comics, but he'd be an unusual film protagonist. A jaded reporter who used to be obsesed with truth but started lying to himself due to bitterness and lost his drat mind. Meanwhile, Flash Thompson as Venom may have been great, but he's essentially just a soldier. And boy am I tired of action movies starring ex-military.
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Eddie is maybe too linked with Peter I guess?
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Lurdiak posted:Eddie Brock might have a largely unfortunate history in the comics, but he'd be an unusual film protagonist. A jaded reporter who used to be obsesed with truth but started lying to himself due to bitterness and lost his drat mind. Meanwhile, Flash Thompson as Venom may have been great, but he's essentially just a soldier. And boy am I tired of action movies starring ex-military. He's an ex-soldier who lost his legs and is a former alcoholic that develops an addictive reliance on the Venom suit due to a combination of his being a recovering addict, his hero/inferiority complex, his ability to even temporarily regain the mobility he lost, and an obsessive need to prove himself due to his history of being a domestic abuse victim. Characterizing him as "essentially just a soldier" is reductive at best, especially when you characterize Eddie Brock as somehow way deeper than "reporter who was mad at Peter Parker getting all the scoops". Like, Eddie is honestly a better Anti-Venom, as stupid as a loving concept as that was, then he ever was as Venom. Him being a guilt-ridden former villain trying to redeem himself via weird religious, totalitarian fixation on symbiotes and poo poo is way more compelling than "real angry reporter". Like I'm reading old 90's era Spider-Man comics right now and Venom basically always loving sucked before Flash Thompson came around and made him interesting. He's a tryhard edgelord whining about how Peter Parker stole all the good scoops and going on about how "We" are "The Executioner", not even mentioning all the dumbass Symbiote Spawn poo poo he got tied up in. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:He's an ex-soldier who lost his legs and is a former alcoholic that develops an addictive reliance on the Venom suit due to a combination of his being a recovering addict, his hero/inferiority complex, his ability to even temporarily regain the mobility he lost, and an obsessive need to prove himself due to his history of being a domestic abuse victim. Characterizing him as "essentially just a soldier" is reductive at best, especially when you characterize Eddie Brock as somehow way deeper than "reporter who was mad at Peter Parker getting all the scoops". You're not wrong, but I doubt any of what makes Flash interesting will translate to a solo Venom movie, except maybe losing his legs. He's going to be heroic action man, and at one point the suit will make him go too far but he'll be the good guy again by the end. Eddie being the protagonist would force them to write a movie about someone who's fundamentally a bad, delusional person. And that's at least one point in favor of a solo Venom film, something no one should want.
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Lurdiak posted:You're not wrong, but I doubt any of what makes Flash interesting will translate to a solo Venom movie, except maybe losing his legs. He's going to be heroic action man, and at one point the suit will make him go too far but he'll be the good guy again by the end. Eddie being the protagonist would force them to write a movie about someone who's fundamentally a bad, delusional person. And that's at least one point in favor of a solo Venom film, something no one should want. Yeah okay I get you then. Yeah, I guess that would be more compelling. Flash's Venom still really kinda needs (well, doesn't need, but really benefits from) Peter Parker existing, because you need to juxtapose Flash's desires to be heroic and constantly ask the question if he's doing it because he's a fundamentally good person, or if he's doing it because he just transferred his addictions to something else, or if he's doing it out of some sense of guilt to how he acted in high school.
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When you start to think that Venom might be evil, more symbiotes will show up to push the goal posts further.
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Venom has always seemed to me like a character you had to be there for. I've never really been too interested in him; I knew him from the cartoon but the first comic story I read with him in it was that Howard Mackie Sinister Six one where he was written in a really tedious try-hard way ("We'll crack your skull open and eat your brains!" etc.) so maybe I just had a poor first impression. (It's too bad in that case as well, because the idea of Venom trying to team up with Spider-Man's other villains, feeling slighted by them and then trying to hunt them down and kill them with Spider-Man stuck between them is potentially a pretty cool idea.)
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Howard Mackie was a really good idea guy but he couldn't really follow through on any of it. Shame, because his run featured JRJR at what I consider to be his artistic peak.
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Yeah Venom is the most 90's character ever, and if you don't follow comics whatsoever you think he's the raddest poo poo ever (Source: Me and my opinions on Venom before I started reading comics). Once you do, he loving sucks, he's every generic 90's antihero mashed into one, his storylines suck, his use of plural first person as his preferred pronoun is loving dumb, his dialog sucks, his character sucks. There's just no there there. He has like literally a cool character design and that's pretty much it.
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I can count the good Eddie Brock stories on one hand but I still really like the character. 
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Lurdiak posted:Howard Mackie was a really good idea guy but he couldn't really follow through on any of it. Shame, because his run featured JRJR at what I consider to be his artistic peak. Absolutely, one of the highlights of it is how JRJR draws Venom himself with symbiote tendrils snaking off his suit. Really sells the symbiote itself as a living thing. For example: 
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If Eddie doesn't use the symbiote to change into a 90s skater kid and ride atop a moving subway train I'm not seeing it
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, and I believe I will enjoy reading my trade paperback of Maximum Carnage just as much as I did as a kid in the 90's. If you can't appreciate the literary genius of characters like Nightwatch and Demogoblin, that's your problem. The 90's were very much "You had to be there.". I feel ashamed at the visceral thrill I get when I see Venom and Carnage leaping at each other.
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I got into Spider-Man (like the X-Men) via the animated series, so my image of Spider-Man comics in the 90s is stuff like Solo jumping through a window firing a machine gun in each hand yelling "WHILE I LIVE, TERROR DIES!" Addendum: I'm looking forward to Solo: A Spider-Man Story in 2019.
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Nothing will ever make me care about this Venom movie. All it does it make me think of Steel. Wait, does the Moratorium of Steel include Steel?
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I still think Cable is the most 90's thing in comics, but Venom is in the top 5. Venom to me is a lot like Doomsday. You can tell the one story with him, but after that, he should probably go away forever. And the original story might not even be that great if you think about it. See also: Bane.
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Aphrodite posted:The name change makes sense. They already did Flash in Homecoming, and even though the movies aren’t really connected they’re not going to just use the same guy in both like that. I'd pay good money to see Hardy refer to Peter as "Penis Parker." Flash was 100% the best character in Homecoming. Turning him from a physical bully into a rich rear end in a top hat was a masterstroke.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I know what I want from the Venom movie: Well they've got Mad Max so this is the best chance for it.
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SonicRulez posted:I still think Cable is the most 90's thing in comics, but Venom is in the top 5. Venom to me is a lot like Doomsday. You can tell the one story with him, but after that, he should probably go away forever. And the original story might not even be that great if you think about it. See also: Bane. Fun fact: David Michelinie's original plan was for the symbiote to switch hosts every time it came back to torment Peter, which is probably why Eddie's motivations are kind of weak and petty for an arch-nemesis. But then Venom blew the gently caress up in popularity and Erik Larsen and the marketing department hijacked the character.
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Rhyno posted:I'd pay good money to see Hardy refer to Peter as "Penis Parker." Peter stealing and ruining his (dad's) car in the span of two minutes makes me laugh every time I think of it
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