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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Jose posted:

don't thje BNP want to execute pedos?

which he, as a very normal ephebophile, was in support of

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cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
its kinda wierd that spencer, as a direct descendant of southern aristocracy, is trying to woo urban whites to his cause. theyre the base he wants to cultivate by doing dignified things like getting a haircut every thirty days and wearing suits and not ending sentences with infinitives as he loudly disagrees with hecklers from the dais of the smallest availabe theater a publically funded college was obligated to rent to him

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Jose posted:

don't thje BNP want to execute pedos?
the fascist groups say stuff like that but i'd say fascism is basically a pedophilic movement. i mean if it wasn't for all the actual nazi pedophilies in history that'd be one thing, but just look at the art going back to the 30s.

or ffs that alt-right cartoon video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYFjRH-vxGg

go to 1:26 and tell me what does THAT say. it's basically a "stranger danger" video

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 13:27 on Jan 13, 2018

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
So we all know about Weev, who has been crucial to keeping The Daily Stormer running, and is in Transnistria running from what are probably charges (I would almost certainly reckon) which are hanging over his head. Like, you're a convicted felon and a Nazi hacker and you're living in the one place where not even Interpol can reach... connect the dots.

Well, he has a hacker associate who is much closer to the home. The guy goes by the name "Timmy Matlock" or "Timothy Matlock" and is basically unknown, but is very interesting and is probably important to the functioning of this whole alt-right, neo-Nazi ecosystem. He's also the co-host of Weev's podcast Race Ghost: Roast to Roast -- admittedly, I laughed at that -- where he goes by the name Zoltar.

He recently locked his Instagram, where he posted pictures of his various travels, and scrubbed his (multiple) Facebook profiles, so he must think something's up. Don't know what. He had already been doxxed by an antifa blog, and didn't seem to take too many pains to hide his activities.

He first popped up in a political context in a June 2016 Raw Story article about fascist pro-Trump youth, which was an early article on the subject.

quote:



Timmy Matlock, 24, a high-school dropout who claims to work in security in Europe and Asia, said “I don’t give a f*ck about the wall” but supported the movement behind Trump. “It’s ending 30 years of cuckoldry the country has been subjected to, with the United States capitulating to the Saudis, Europe, and NAFTA. Our move away from American nationalism is going to cripple us economically and socially in the end.” A reporter present labeled them “angry nerds” and added that Matlock was around the Bundy militia occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Eastern Oregon in January.
Before that he was mixed up with some hacker groups and in 2015 visited Weev when he was living in Croatia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS01Xsh_Afk

Since then, 2016-2017, he has been all over the drat place. His Instagram had him in China, Russia, Ukraine, at a neo-Nazi conference called the Scandza Forum in summer 2017 in Norway. He seems to hop mainly between Fort Worth and Portland and was most recently in Alaska.

He was at Charlottesville and with the Trad Workers at Shelbyville (second photo, upper right):




With you-know-who:



He even appeared in black tie at the Trump inaugural ball:



With no known source of income except "security." Maybe freelance white hat work. Maybe black hat criminal stuff. Could be family, but they apparently disowned him after they saw him on the news when he was at Shelbyville. He seems to have expensive tastes, posting frequent photos of fine meals and boasting on Weev's podcast about staying in a posh hotel. He carries a concealed handgun (alternates depending on the season). He has a cabin in Oklahoma -- where cabins are cheap, but all together and with the aforementioned travel, he is making money.

He also showed up in the Unicorn Riot leaks of Nazi Discord servers:

quote:

One user using the alias ‘Timmy Matlock’ claimed to be working with the Daily Stormer to create a central database to store people’s personal information for use in harassment campaigns.

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/data-release-neo-nazis-plan-revenge-in-new-discord-server-after-unitetheright/

quote:


Anyways, he's in it deep and his apparent technical skills are certainly highly prized. If you've never listened to Weev's podcast, this is what you're missing btw:

quote:

Matlock joked that Auernheimer should program “drones” to “beat and rape women” for them. “‘Cause apparently people are too lazy to do it, I say we just have a drone bot net that swarms around [and] just beats and rapes women,” he said. “I mean we don’t really need a robot to do it, we just need to lock these bitches in cages,” Auernheimer replied, striking a more serious tone.

“And if every man in civilization is in agreement, then even if she leaves the house she’s still really in a cage. There’s a social structure that keeps the bitch in line, and that’s the important thing is for her to understand that there’s a cage, and there’s horrific things that will happen to her if she violates the social standards for women that existed for thousands of years up until 1820.”

https://angrywhitemen.org/2017/12/03/andrew-auernheimer-lusts-after-teenage-girls-and-thinks-all-western-women-should-be-raped/

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 14:42 on Jan 13, 2018

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
literally an ogre

https://twitter.com/petersweden7/status/952223682948190208

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

:yikes:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/firescotch/status/951962868756500481

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


That guy’s really into other guys’ dicks. I guess that’s why he’s a leading light of the internet nazis.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://twitter.com/PTcarlo/status/951967547758465026

https://twitter.com/gamergatepetro/status/951998456813436928

https://twitter.com/PTcarlo/status/951993788632879105

https://twitter.com/gamergatepetro/status/952016223142780928

https://twitter.com/PTcarlo/status/952044800089477121

https://twitter.com/PTcarlo/status/951968416344178688

https://twitter.com/ItsTheEOTWAWKI/status/952084581028716544

https://twitter.com/PrudeDogg/status/952086034132684800

https://twitter.com/DSARobertELee/status/950163451921555456

https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/951889718760935424

https://twitter.com/PrudeDogg/status/952185215551713281

https://twitter.com/NolteNC/status/952185046080933888

https://twitter.com/PrudeDogg/status/952185778523820032

:shepicide:

BornAPoorBlkChild has issued a correction as of 19:38 on Jan 13, 2018

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/vagrunt/status/952237820764151809

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

Can someone please explain what the gently caress all that was?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Sargon's liberalist principles are basically just liberalism with a big heaping spoonful of libertarianism tossed in. http://liberalists.org/principles/

It also contradicts itself in ways it doesn't understand.

quote:

Meritocracy
People should be judged by the content of their character. Promotion should be on the basis of achievement and should not be unduly inhibited by innate characteristics.

Nobody is entitled to receive benefits they did not earn or to which they are not already entitled by being a citizen.

This is not to be misinterpreted as declaration against social safety nets or healthcare, but against individuals or groups claiming unearned benefits, whether social or material, that they otherwise do not deserve.

Not only does the promotion principle violate economic freedom, but the idea that an individual shouldn't claim benefits they haven't "earned" or "deserve" is antithetical to capitalism and its dependency on indolent incomes from investments.

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle
ah after the sploded Hawaii warning I'm thinking about Sargon getting really confused about Nazis not protecting free speech again lol

between that and saying we need to fix capitalism by ridding the world of wealthy failsons and people who make millions off of investments (that they probably got a head start on due to familial wealth) I almost feel bad for the guy getting tossed in the Nazi bucket. almost

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Did Sargon really come out against capital like that? I’m guessing he must have done it accidentally, since he in no way earns what he nets from patreon, and that he was trying to come out against affirmative action or quotas or something but wasn’t able to express himself precisely enough.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

cumshitter posted:

its kinda wierd that spencer, as a direct descendant of southern aristocracy, is trying to woo urban whites to his cause. theyre the base he wants to cultivate by doing dignified things like getting a haircut every thirty days and wearing suits and not ending sentences with infinitives as he loudly disagrees with hecklers from the dais of the smallest availabe theater a publically funded college was obligated to rent to him

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The funniest Rich Spencer origin story is that he was a liberal college student up until he realized his family background of plantation owners was going to torpedo any chance of being accepted by liberal society so he decided to be the prissiest white nationalist in the world.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

mcclay posted:

Can someone please explain what the gently caress all that was?

couple of disconnected threads but the core of it is these people are utterly incapable of not splintering into ever smaller and less coherent groups, because without someone to be purer than the entire engine of displaced resentment breaks down

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle

business hammocks posted:

Did Sargon really come out against capital like that? I’m guessing he must have done it accidentally, since he in no way earns what he nets from patreon, and that he was trying to come out against affirmative action or quotas or something but wasn’t able to express himself precisely enough.

I'm sure he meant blacks shouldn't be given preferential treatment, but he's the one who tries not to be openly racist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

business hammocks posted:

Did Sargon really come out against capital like that? I’m guessing he must have done it accidentally, since he in no way earns what he nets from patreon, and that he was trying to come out against affirmative action or quotas or something but wasn’t able to express himself precisely enough.

If you confronted him about it he'd vociferously argue that capitalists deserve indolent incomes. The point is that he doesn't even know what he's talking about in his own manifesto.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
sargon has been demolished in debates by a leftist academic a twitch streamer and now a nazi.

he should just stick to anti-sjw videos and ride that out, he's still the largest by a massive amount. maybe transition to gaming streams when that grift dries up like some of the others are planning

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Did anyone make the Nu-Metal politichart? :D

I don't know anything about Limps politics( though they have DJ Illegal so they're probably corrupt Bostonian style dems), but it'd work fine with RATM in bottom left and System of a Down in upper left, they're some sort of Armenian commies after all.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The funniest Rich Spencer origin story is that he was a liberal college student up until he realized his family background of plantation owners was going to torpedo any chance of being accepted by society so he decided to be the prissiest white nationalist in the world.

its cool that when rich white people are challenged on class lines in the slightest, they go running straight to race war

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE

Tias posted:

Did anyone make the Nu-Metal politichart? :D

I don't know anything about Limps politics( though they have DJ Illegal so they're probably corrupt Bostonian style dems), but it'd work fine with RATM in bottom left and System of a Down in upper left, they're some sort of Armenian commies after all.

the really goth guy runs a cat rescue in detroit. i have a friend that works with him and says he's really nice so maybe that guy isn't poo poo?

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo

Phobophilia posted:

its cool that when rich white people are challenged on class lines in the slightest, they go running straight to race war

If it ain't broke...

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
everybody drop what you are doing ant man has a new take

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/952171645174669312

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
can't even grow a proper mustache in anime form

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

galaxy brain time: google guy got fired not for sexism but for suggesting women don't work in tech because google doesn't allow them a family life

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


whenever I get curious and take a peek at alt right twitter the thing that strikes me about it is how joyless, bitter and miserable everyone is. in tankieland the invective against their Hated Enemies is just as angry and violent, but it’s mixed with a lot of goofing and some utopian vision about how great full communism will be. left twitter has its schisms and its tongue-clucking scolds but overall it’s a fun place where people joke about farts and eating detergent pods and stuff. the alt right guys just sound pissed and frustrated and their rare laughs are always bitter sniping at other people they perceive as having hosed up.

you can talk about gaming and incels and fragile masculinity but it really seems like the key factor for alt-right radicalization is just being pissed off all the time and not really able to enjoy anything.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Phobophilia posted:

its cool that when rich white people are challenged on class lines in the slightest, they go running straight to race war

race war is the easiest way to dupe dumb white proles into reactively protecting your private interests

Ponies Ist Krieg
Dec 10, 2017



Yeah at their core these guys are lonely angry nerds looking for acceptance and self esteem where ever they can find it, and I have a feeling being a white supremacist appeals to people who don't have any skills etc
that society holds in high regard, so the idea of drawing value from being or not being something instead of what they do is sort of the conclusion of that.
I'd feel bad for them if they wern't literal nazis.
I've got like one vaguely conservative friend irl, She voted for trump and identifies as ancap/libertarian, hangs out on 4chan etc but doesn't seem to be racist. she's also trans, which makes her political affiliation dangerous for her and I worry about her safety with that group sometimes.

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

freckle posted:

can't even grow a proper mustache in anime form
Those are the ants.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

you can talk about gaming and incels and fragile masculinity but it really seems like the key factor for alt-right radicalization is just being pissed off all the time and not really able to enjoy anything.

Tbf you can take the "alt" out of there and it would apply almost as well. A lot of fox news conservatives actively seek out stuff to get pissed off about and are bitter as gently caress, they're just less online and can actually manage to have somewhat normal human relationships and get laid and have families.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

StashAugustine posted:

yeah that comes from stahels book on operation typhoon (disinterested linked it in the milhist thread a year back or so) and it goes into a bunch of detail about how totally convinced the nazis were that will to power is all you need and if you were just strong enough we could totally wipe the commies out before winter, so any request to dig in and prepare for winter fighting is defeatism, bordering on treason

It's funny how much this reminds me of the French military concept of èlan. I which the offensive will succeed if you try hard enough. They didn't really give yup on that concept until mid 1915 really when they realized that no amout of will is really going to overcome a machine gun nest

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/antifa_ne/status/952314552120692736

https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/509256745479180288
https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/357671246516854784
https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/447865069561331712
https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/446265308639006720
https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/454706799703105536
https://twitter.com/ACKFlags/status/517774057991712768

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

whenever I get curious and take a peek at alt right twitter the thing that strikes me about it is how joyless, bitter and miserable everyone is. in tankieland the invective against their Hated Enemies is just as angry and violent, but it’s mixed with a lot of goofing and some utopian vision about how great full communism will be. left twitter has its schisms and its tongue-clucking scolds but overall it’s a fun place where people joke about farts and eating detergent pods and stuff. the alt right guys just sound pissed and frustrated and their rare laughs are always bitter sniping at other people they perceive as having hosed up.

you can talk about gaming and incels and fragile masculinity but it really seems like the key factor for alt-right radicalization is just being pissed off all the time and not really able to enjoy anything.

Actually my "I'm just asking questions" friend fits this criteria eerily well. He has fucktons of resentment of the world at large, and is always complaining about little things that I don't even notice.

Talked with him again today. Had a conversation about politics. This is how little he listens (all the while saying rational dialog is the bedrock of civilization and people wanting me to not say the things I do is FASCISM):

I said "I don't want to argue this stuff with you because I think it plays into the fantasy that this poo poo is in any way rational."

Ten seconds later he asks me why I won't "give examples" of his alt-rightism

I ask him to repeat what I just said.

He cannot.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Also does the Alt Right have a fantasy that they are "just acting out of self-interest" because that came up as a vague defense a few times

Next time it does maybe I'll mention that this a rationalization the Nazis used to justify persecution of the Jews

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
cool thanks for the update

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Nebakenezzer posted:

my "I'm just asking questions" friend
consider making him your "not my friend" friend or your "curled up in the fetal position because of repeated punching of the balls" friend

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/952238654419881984

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

What the Christ is that? I can't make sense of anything

Crane Fist posted:

cool thanks for the update

Me too except unironically. I want to know how it ends. Alt-right is as much political as it is sociological

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