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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Ulio posted:

A lot of ps2 classics are unplayable now because of how bad the camera was back then. Like seriously how did so many games have bad camera and awful controls? I don't remember it being that bad. Gameplay wise they hold up but camera makes many games literally unplayable.

i like how they didn't bother making the camera less rear end in the HD remakes of Kingdom Hearts. my wife replayed the first one and is on the second one and i'm like "ugh i haven't even gotten to the first world yet and i'm already sick of this"

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Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead

Ulio posted:

A lot of ps2 classics are unplayable now because of how bad the camera was back then. Like seriously how did so many games have bad camera and awful controls? I don't remember it being that bad. Gameplay wise they hold up but camera makes many games literally unplayable.
I can't go back to the "3D" versions of Grand Theft Auto because of how clunky everything is. Feature bloat in that era was such a welcome thing, but having your inputs feel like a delay just makes tense situations so aggravating. Just do the new thing with a button press and not pixel hunt.

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood
Crysis is still the best first person franchise ever made

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

texting my ex posted:

Crysis is still the best first person franchise ever made

Single player, the first two games are genuinely great. Right up until you get to aliens, then the gameplay goes to poo poo. Shame about 2 and 3 having aliens from the start.

I really want a modern Farcry game to give you the supersuit powers.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
Neir Automata is a trash game for hosed up weirdo perverts

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

precision posted:

metal gear solid games have the most annoying control scheme imaginable
MGS2 has "hold square to aim assault rifle, hold square harder to fire it," which is probably the single worst control bind ever.

TheMostFrench
Jul 12, 2009

Stop for me, it's the claw!



OneEightHundred posted:

MGS2 has "hold square to aim assault rifle, hold square harder to fire it," which is probably the single worst control bind ever.

This is how I learned that the controller had pressure sensitive buttons, and from then on it was pretty easy not to accidentally shoot a dude (still held them up with the tranq gun just in case). Maybe something like a gun safety button might have worked better, with the FPV view just automatically bringing the gun up. It would have made sense too since Snake calls out Raiden for having the safety on.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

fridge corn posted:

Neir Automata is a trash game for hosed up weirdo perverts

Don't sign your posts

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Unreal_One posted:

Single player, the first two games are genuinely great. Right up until you get to aliens, then the gameplay goes to poo poo. Shame about 2 and 3 having aliens from the start.

The last boss fight in 1 is so excruciatingly hard on the highest difficulty.

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

OneEightHundred posted:

MGS2 has "hold square to aim assault rifle, hold square harder to fire it," which is probably the single worst control bind ever.

Hideo Kojima is a hack who would be happier directing no budget movies

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

OneEightHundred posted:

MGS2 has "hold square to aim assault rifle, hold square harder to fire it," which is probably the single worst control bind ever.

There was a cool little detail in that: that if you tried shooting a held-up guard and tried firing an empty gun, he’d hear the click and turn on you.

MGS3 had pressure sensitive buttons when putting a guy in a choke hold. Hold down circle to keep the guy in the hold. Press just a little too hard and snake slashes his throat open. :(

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

buglord posted:

MGS3 had pressure sensitive buttons when putting a guy in a choke hold. Hold down circle to keep the guy in the hold. Press just a little too hard and snake slashes his throat open. :(
It's because of this I never got CQC down, so Volgin was the hardest fight in the game for me and The Sorrow took a while.

Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jan 13, 2018

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

Accordion Man posted:

The Sorrow took a while.

This made me laugh. Thank you.

Yeah maybe the first 6-7 playthroughs of MGS3 had me lost with the whole CQC thing. So I just murdered Volgin and The final boss with shotguns instead of doing CQC. Fistfighting volgin felt cooler than the final boss though.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

I don't like the storytelling in Half Life 2 either. I loved how Half Life 1 very much felt like a workplace accident, it opens with a commute, you meet generic security guards, faceless acquaintances and colleagues in a way that's very relatable, you're also a faceless and voiceless person yourself. You then find yourself in a situation where you suddenly have to rely on these faceless people for solidarity against what's basically an interdimensional gently caress-up by the higher ups. It feels a bit like Office Space or something like that. Gordon is a great character, a completely silent protagonist who only expresses himself in actions, the perfect videogame protagonist.

HL2 had to put names and faces on these characters, it created Alyx Vance, a ridiculous love interest with pixarface for Gordon. Next to these people and their motivations you still had faceless squad members who just felt expendable next to the named characters, you already knew they weren't important because they weren't named. In HL, I always made sure I escorted a coterie of guards and scientists as far as I could, you never knew if some old scientist could open a door for you. I felt responsible for the fuckers.

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood

Unreal_One posted:

Single player, the first two games are genuinely great. Right up until you get to aliens, then the gameplay goes to poo poo. Shame about 2 and 3 having aliens from the start.

I really want a modern Farcry game to give you the supersuit powers.

I think the aliens in 1/Warhead are a nice change of pace where you're forced to try different weapons and tactics. In 2nd / 3rd they're more "humanlike" which doesn't break the flow, just adds some variety.

And loving drat Crysis 3 still looks better than most games released in 2017.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
Silent protagonists in general suck if you actually want to have a game with a story unless they have really good body language like Wind Waker Link or Doomguy.

HL2 really suffered for still having Gordon be silent. It makes the game awkward when people constantly praise him to his face and all he does is stare blankly at them and swing his crowbar around.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Accordion Man posted:

Silent protagonists in general suck if you actually want to have a game with a story unless they have really good body language like Wind Waker Link or Doomguy.

HL2 really suffered for still having Gordon be silent. It makes the game awkward when people constantly praise him to his face and all he does is stare blankly at them and swing his crowbar around.

HL1's story worked perfectly with a silent protagonist though.

Anyone else thought that Alyx's cube necklace looked like it was fused to her skin?

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Unreal_One posted:

Single player, the first two games are genuinely great. Right up until you get to aliens, then the gameplay goes to poo poo. Shame about 2 and 3 having aliens from the start.

I really want a modern Farcry game to give you the supersuit powers.

Crysis 2 owned cover to cover

TheMostFrench
Jul 12, 2009

Stop for me, it's the claw!



Shibawanko posted:

I don't like the storytelling in Half Life 2 either. I loved how Half Life 1 very much felt like a workplace accident, it opens with a commute, you meet generic security guards, faceless acquaintances and colleagues in a way that's very relatable, you're also a faceless and voiceless person yourself. You then find yourself in a situation where you suddenly have to rely on these faceless people for solidarity against what's basically an interdimensional gently caress-up by the higher ups. It feels a bit like Office Space or something like that. Gordon is a great character, a completely silent protagonist who only expresses himself in actions, the perfect videogame protagonist.

I felt this way too. Those few moments where you needed to keep someone alive to progress were interesting in that if you killed them, you just got a quiet game over screen like 'Gordon Freeman, Status: Deceased' because you were just another name on a much larger list, and no one will ever know what happened to you. Having characters like Barney in HL2 be voiced was weird because EVERY security guard in HL1 was 'Barney'. Also for a game about travelling to different dimensions, it's a shame they didn't have different dimension versions of characters pop in and out sometimes.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Unpopular For This Thread opinion: Half Life 2 owns and all y'all can suck it. t:mad:t

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Shibawanko posted:

it created Alyx Vance, a ridiculous love interest with pixarface for Gordon.

Alyx is, in no way, shape or form, a love interest.

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Steve2911 posted:

Alyx is, in no way, shape or form, a love interest.

No but that suit guy and those burly aliens you meet if you choose the good ending in HL1 come on

Bifner McDoogle
Mar 31, 2006

"Life unworthy of life" (German: Lebensunwertes Leben) is a pragmatic liberal designation for the segments of the populace which they view as having no right to continue existing, due to the expense of extending them basic human dignity.
Fallout New Vegas is broken trash compared to Fallout 3 and 4, even though the wolrd building and story is miles better than 3 and 4, which both have really unbeleivably awful stories. More unpopularly, I think they're all a blast to play through.

Weird thing is that I'm the only one of my friends who likes New Vegas at all. My other freinds played all the games thru to completion and think that New Vegas is a half finished broken embarrassment to the series as a whole (seriously we're talking about a dozen unrelated people who all loving despise that game). I don't know how popular these opinions really are to be honest, sometimes it seems like people who hate Bethesda titles are just really invested in hating them and skew online conversations a bit, but I've always thought they've made games that are perfect for loving around in after smoking a bowl or something, buggy as they are.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Way to brag about having tons of friends

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

1stGear posted:

Unpopular For This Thread opinion: Half Life 2 owns and all y'all can suck it. t:mad:t

The main pistol feels like I'm clicking people to death.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

who even uses a pistol in an fps

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

AAA are trash. Their overall quality and bug issues are on the level of early access titles on Steam with "Mixed" or lower review scores. Except they cost a lot more and have more pointless grinding gameplay.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
Outlast 2 is fantastic and one of the best horror games in recent years. It takes everything the first game and it's prequel did and improves it, the story is infinitly more compelling and well told, the world is loving disturbing, and despite involving religon it never comes off as :smug: poo poo. It's heavy handed at times, but it pulls off so many creepy as gently caress things and never devolves into the eye rolling edgy poo poo you get in Whistleblower.

Kibbles n Shits
Apr 8, 2006

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Fun Shoe

Endorph posted:

who even uses a pistol in an fps

The pistol from Halo ruled, which is a convenient segue into my next unpopular opinion that Halo isn't really that good. The original was pretty good by 2001 standards but the franchise hasn't done anything interesting since.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Endorph posted:

who even uses a pistol in an fps

The pistol is a gentleman's weapon. It requires a keen eye and a steady hand, and demonstrates restraint.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

Endorph posted:

who even uses a pistol in an fps

RAGE did a good job here. You start out with a pistol, which is OK for a bit, then you abandon it for more powerful weapons... then you learn to craft dum-dum ammo, and the pistol becomes an awesome handheld cannon.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Shibawanko posted:

The main pistol feels like I'm clicking people to death.

the pistol in half life 2 is easily one of the worst pistols in video game history.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


texting my ex posted:

I think the aliens in 1/Warhead are a nice change of pace where you're forced to try different weapons and tactics. In 2nd / 3rd they're more "humanlike" which doesn't break the flow, just adds some variety.

And loving drat Crysis 3 still looks better than most games released in 2017.

Ya the Crysis series are some of the most underrated FPS games imo. I prefer it compared to the direction of Far Cry series went.

SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:
Final Fantasy VIII is actually really cool, and the fact that you can bust it wide open and get absurdly powerful if you want to is a point in its favor.

The Majima Everywhere system is an awful addition to Yakuza Kiwami.

Golden Sun is an atrociously boring game and nobody would have thought twice about it if it didn't have an absolute banger of a battle theme.

It's gorgeous but I absolutely cannot parse anything that's going in Guilty Gear Xrd, even though I'm a series fan and really want to love it. I don't like the changes to Baiken's moves, either.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

SkeletonHero posted:

Golden Sun is an atrociously boring game and nobody would have thought twice about it if it didn't have an absolute banger of a battle theme

Is that really an outlier opinion? I seem to recall most people doing a 180 on that game pretty soon after it came out, and definitely by the time the sequel came out and was just "more of the same boring poo poo"

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Yeah Golden Sun has some neat ideas, but is a slog to actually play.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

The Sega Genesis was pretty trash overall compared to the snes

SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:

precision posted:

Is that really an outlier opinion? I seem to recall most people doing a 180 on that game pretty soon after it came out, and definitely by the time the sequel came out and was just "more of the same boring poo poo"

I remember it being highly praised and people going nuts that Isaac was in Smash Bros. If the public has realized the truth then that’s good news.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
On Xmas eve I played Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U with my son and on Xmas day I played Mario Kart 8 on the Switch with my son
It was a loving slap in the face I tell you what, it's exactly the same!!!!!!!!

Then, mere hours later I find that gone are the days of four player fun in Mario World and now I get to be a loving hat? WHAT THE gently caress???????????

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Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
EA is bad and Ubisoft is bad. Microtransactions in general are bad. Basically everything they've done since 2006 is bad.

You would think that this is not an unpopular opinion, but a quick glance at their stock prices and their retained earnings over the past few quarters would prove otherwise. EA's stock is up 15% ever since the bad PR they got from that Reddit thread last month, for example, and Ubisoft's stock has more than tripled since AssCreed:Unity came out.

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