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fridge corn posted:I'm wondering who I should dive next??? Check your 5* motes and make sure you have 100 of the right types to commit. Out of what you have I would go for Tidus(Bravery and Dex) or Cloud(Vit and Dex), and then the other, since they can really put out a lot of damage with their Dives/USBs. Cid Raines if you have enough for a caster(Spirit and Wisdom). Re: Bartz LMR I use it, but it very rarely procs. The only way I look at it as an upgrade to the LM1 is if you are already capping your regular hits. On hard content you won't be close to capping the followup hits, so if I can get the occasional extra casts it is preferred. Oryp fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Butts LMR isn't a massive improvement over the LM1 because the chases from USB benefit from LM1. The scenarios where it's a lot better: -no USB but dived butts -USB vs no chase elements -chase elements with chainz I wouldn't chase it like Attestant said E: Like Oryp above says capping is another concern. It pretty much doesn't happen with only the USB but if you get en-element from a BSB on top of it or a critfix from a teammate capping damage is possible. Neutral Zone Trap fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Alright, I need some help decided who to dive now, too. For potential candidates I've got: Lightning with USB, BSB1, SSB. Edge with USB, SSB, LMR Shelke with nothing Onion Knight with BSB, SSB, LMR Braska with USB The only reason I'm hesitating on Edge is that I've already got a dived Shadow, but water is one of the elements I have weak coverage in and I doubt I'm going to be pulling hard on any VII banners with Yuffie's USB2 on it. My weakest magicite elements right now are water, earth, and lightning. Lightning's USB seems crazy good but my only other physical lightning option is Orlandeau's OSB, so I dunno if those two alone + buffs and an entrust bot is enough to make sub-30 feasible.
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Thanks for all the advice on various things! FF9 300 torment down and now I've got a fully dived Tidus w/ wrecking ball! Maybe I should finish my last couple nightmares and finally open up the magicites...
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Back to 50 mythril, could save it for the anniversary ooorrr Finally have a comfortable sub minute Liquid Flame clear and some fine +water gear, always pull 
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Gave it another try with the entrust route and best him at 49 seconds. The trick for me was being Alphinaud as my second healer and turning OK into an entrust/wrath bot. Nice! My USB has actually gotten me under 30 for that now--but I also have Bartz with his USB supplementing. And Eiko with her BSB as healer. OK and Ramza are supports. That flame gets extinguished quick!!! Magicites are fun the first time you beat them or can get a good time. I just hate how the game wants you to do them over and over.
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Been rocking a Bartz USB/LMR for awhile so I'll chime in. In normal usage it's ok, probably not chase worthy. When it procs it hits hard. Its rep comes from the "top" players willingness to S/L as often as needed to get the best times. If you have a chain going, even one proc of triple and one prob of double can make a huge difference. It's also not that bad to fish for when you consider the quick speed under his USB. Unless you're super patient or desperate to sub 30 or something I wouldn't recommend anyone really chase it.
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Jan 15, 2018 17:33
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I'm proud to say that I can sub-30 Liquid Flame with only Rydia USB and non-USB Vivi as my Water DPS. Who needs Tidus?
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Question: on the screen when you try to enter a dungeon but you have too much stuff in your inventory and it's asking you if you want to spend mythril on slots, what's the option on the bottom? There's equipment, abilities, magicite and then one unlabeled one below them that just has "1/5" and the "Get More Slots" button
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm proud to say that I can sub-30 Liquid Flame with only Rydia USB and non-USB Vivi as my Water DPS. Who needs Tidus? Nice fellow no-Tidus bro, I did it with Yuffie and Bartz. I do wish they did something like ban Cloud USB from RW and allow everything else. My favorite combo is Bartz USB to Tidus USB and then Engulfing TS spam. The chases are insane and very satisfying.
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Nihilarian posted:There's equipment, abilities, magicite and then one unlabeled one below them that just has "1/5" and the "Get More Slots" button
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Alright, I need some help decided who to dive now, too. This is a bit tougher, since those are all decent options, so definitely check mote count/types to see if you can dive multiple. My thoughts on each: Shelke is great for shaving times down, in my experience she shaved off 4-8 seconds from my magicite clears. If that matters to you, or you want an entrust bot for other content, she is a great dive; if you don't care about shaving seconds off then don't dive her. Lightning with "just" USB is pretty great, and her dive helps her get rolling faster. I personally use her (with dive/USB) and slap lifesiphon on to build up her first gauge, then unleash USB and Thundering Quadstrike until dead. If you need more lightning damage it is hard to go wrong with her, you mentioned O, but if you also have a really good lightning mage team then you may not need her dive as much. Edge I cannot personally attest too, but my understanding is that it is quite strong. If you need more water damage I would be leaning this way. Onion Knight would be an okay dive, if you use him all the time, but without one of the newer USBs it doesn't seem quite as attractive. Braska seems pretty good, if you want a solid summoner. His 4 and 5* dives give him a combined 21% boost to summon damage, plus doublecast summons sometimes; then his USB adds another 30% summon damage plus followup attacks. He gains some advantage from using fire damage, but since most of his boosts are just +summon so you could really use him for any element.
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It's probably stamina potions yeah. I'm all out and it shows 0/5 for me. Pressing the button does nothing. Just quality DeNa coding as usual.
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Are the magitice bosses actually timed below the 30/60, or are people trying to "shave off seconds" just for fun/challenge/bragging rights?
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Avalerion posted:Are the magitice bosses actually timed below the 30/60, or are people trying to "shave off seconds" just for fun/challenge/bragging rights? If you can get below 30 after that it is all bragging rights/fun. Well, and somewhat quicker battles maybe, if you are repeatedly beating them.
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Avalerion posted:Are the magitice bosses actually timed below the 30/60, or are people trying to "shave off seconds" just for fun/challenge/bragging rights? Well I hear that if you can do 3* in under 20 you're probably good for 4* in under 30.
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I'm starting to come around on Yuffie USB1. It might be enough healing for a sub 30 run while also providing damage. I'll rush her to 99 and try her out. BSB2 still doesn't impress me. Imperils are pretty corner case unless the boss resists everything.
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Only had 3 dupes on the Water banner - Bartz BSB2 (x2), Edge LMR, Tidus BSB2. Since I have stuff like Tidus Chain, Bartz USB, etc this is a good banner for me. Let's PULL! Pull 1 - Bartz BSB 2 (dupe), Edge LMR (dupe) gently caress. OK PULL 2! Pull 2 - Yuffie USB, Bartz BSB 2 (dupe) gently caress. Yuffie's is not exciting. RAGE PULL! Pull 3 - Bartz BSB 2 x2 gently caress! So I guess now I'm the proud owner of two reforged Bartz helmets and a Yuffie USB, and all it cost me was 150 mithryl.
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KPC_Mammon posted:I'm starting to come around on Yuffie USB1. It might be enough healing for a sub 30 run while also providing damage. I'll rush her to 99 and try her out. Thee bsb2 being instant makes a huge difference. My team: Relm BSB gathering storm Ramza bsb2 entrust bot Shelke entrust bot Butz USB bsb2 Yuffie bsb2 USB ninja abilities Pretty simple, entrust and spam yuffie stuff when possible. Three imperils gets all the damage near cap. LDS for dual cast adds up. If I have extra gauge at the end I use the USB.
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all this time i thought Yuffie USB was a non-synergy locked water boost weapon... so that just leaves rikku fist as the only weapon based water boost option for edge huh...
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bilperkins2 posted:Only had 3 dupes on the Water banner - Bartz BSB2 (x2), Edge LMR, Tidus BSB2. Since I have stuff like Tidus Chain, Bartz USB, etc this is a good banner for me. Ah, so I'm not the only one who's being flooded with Bartz helmets
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Went 2/11 on the water banner, got Tidus BSB2 x2, which doesn't look very good at all.
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Instant 10-hit entry, self ATK boost, grants instant cast for next turn, and CMD1 is 4-hit with reduced delay, what's not good?
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2/11 - Tidus OSB and Yuffie USB Glad to have gotten Tidus's OSB since I already have his BSB2, CSB and USB. He does so much damage (even against water resistant bosses) that he's my only DPS in almost every fight. private message fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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jebeebus posted:Instant 10-hit entry, self ATK boost, grants instant cast for next turn, and CMD1 is 4-hit with reduced delay, what's not good? I could be wrong but it seems a bit limiting without en-water. I have his original burst so I'm not sure this is any better than BSB1+Sapphire Shot.
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Even with the reduced cast time it won't come even close to Sapphire Shot's dps. The CMD2 isn't great either because the +15% sharpshooter damage for three turns is still less damage total than just using Sapphire Shot for four turns. The instant entry, self buff, and instant cast 1 are pretty good though.
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Prav posted:i'm not sure it's better than Sapph Shot alone unless you're under the softcat for some dumb reason Please be kind to softcat
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Ive just done my first magicite dungeon and lol wtf is all this poo poo and how does it work????
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fridge corn posted:Ive just done my first magicite dungeon and lol wtf is all this poo poo and how does it work???? load up on buffs + elemental stuff for their weak element and hold on to your loving rear end
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fridge corn posted:Ive just done my first magicite dungeon and lol wtf is all this poo poo and how does it work???? done as in "tried" or "beat"? It sounds like the former more than the latter. They're the hardest fights currently available. Way more HP, DEF, and RES than any other fights. They all have one elemental weakness. They mostly all attack from one element (with bismarck, holy dragon, and liquid flame having other elements/types of damage mixed in). Your best strategies (1) Use elemental resist accessories (except for liquid flame, use Instant KO resist vs him) (2) Get someone with a fantastic elemental USB or BSB to provide most of the DPS. (3) Either use another DPS (or two) or have entrustbots set up to power your DPS' USBs/OSBs. (4) En-element is almost a must. It's not, but boy is it a good damage booster. OSBs are almost worthless without en-elements. (5) Healer should have curada and a good medica. Bonus points if it's instant (Relm USB, Vanille BSB), bonus if your healer can wrath. Yshy BSB is a really good magicite BSB. (6) Damage reflect is a good way for a more defensive team to keep up the damage (the drawback is that it's a slower fight) (7) Faster is better; damage ramps up the longer the boss is alive. There are noticeable bumps in damage incoming at about 30s and 1m.
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I beat liquid flame just under 30s, although am I correct that there are three tiers of difficulty and that was just the first one? I was more asking about how the main magicite and sub magicite works and what I want to build toward as far as those things are concerned
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fridge corn posted:I beat liquid flame just under 30s, although am I correct that there are three tiers of difficulty and that was just the first one? Yeah eventually but not for a while, we get the second rank (4*) in a couple weeks but 5* magicite isn't out in Japan yet and won't be for a while afaik the 4* bosses are apparently pretty gnarly though
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fridge corn posted:I beat liquid flame just under 30s, although am I correct that there are three tiers of difficulty and that was just the first one? Passives have equal value whether on main or sub magicites, though they have diminishing returns if you have multiple ones with the same passive. Passives either boost the party directly (X% more element damage for example), or as a portion of the main magicite's stats counting the boost from the subs (+ATK and such). So if you have level10 ATK boost, it's not 10% of your attack, it's 10% of the magicite's which will probably be 40-ish.
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 Wow. OK's pUSB plus Eiko alternates healing and bard boosts is freaking strong as hell. I have Beatrix using Mako Might so she could fire off an imperil holy right away, and it gave me enough of an edge to avoid Black Fang altogether. So now I've cleared all of the magicite, and sub-30'd 5 out of 8. I still need some more daka for Earth, wind magic, and ice. My ice team is Laguna and Edea with their USBs, so if I want to use one of OK'S USBs I need to ditch one or the other. I don't think having one loose their buff will be balanced by the other speeding up a little.
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Does any have a link to that really good write up from Reddit about Magicite builds to aim towards?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Does any have a link to that really good write up from Reddit about Magicite builds to aim towards? https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/71mq6p/a_guide_to_3_offensive_magicite_decks Important comment: quote:If you are lazy, for non-elemental teams: ceaselessfuture fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Personally I wouldn't bother with more than one level 99 copy of each 3* magicite. As someone pointed out in the comments, collecting everything you need for those decks would require around 3.5 months of drops with perfect RNG. Realistically it would be closer to 9 months.
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Fister Roboto posted:Personally I wouldn't bother with more than one level 99 copy of each 3* magicite. As someone pointed out in the comments, collecting everything you need for those decks would require around 3.5 months of drops with perfect RNG. Realistically it would be closer to 9 months. It doesn't require any more time than getting any full two full sets of magicite. 5 level 99 Enkidus is the same amount of time as 1 Enkidu, 1 Wing Raptor, 1 Fenrir, 1 Living Flame, and 1 Mom Bomb all at 99. EDIT: This isn't quite true since the first clear nets you a bonus Magicite of the boss, so technically getting 1 of 5 different boss Magicites all at level 99 is slightly faster than 5 of the same non-boss Magicite, but the difference isn't that huge. The two listed sets of Magicites require 40 total clears assuming you're using FFRKI or some other means to tell which Magicite is going to drop. That's just over 1 month of clears (7 per week from daily keystone, 2 per week from weekly missions = 9 per week x 4 weeks in a month = 36 keystones). 9 months is 324 keystones, more than 8 times the minimum required. Since the distribution of Magicite drops is an even split among the three options, you'd have to be absurdly unlucky for it to take that long even without doing any packet sniffing shenanigans. Zurai fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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