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redgubbinz posted:Oh man, is that the new Ford Jetta? Nice! Fixed for you
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Q_res posted:Wow, so... GM does the same boneheaded thing with their small cars - both the Cruze and the Astra have switched between IRS and beam depending on trim and year. The Aussies make things even worse by mixing and matching model names depending on what stock they can get for what price - at the moment you can buy an ‘Astra’ sedan (which is the Cruze) or a proper Astra hatch/wagon.
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dissss posted:GM does the same boneheaded thing with their small cars - both the Cruze and the Astra have switched between IRS and beam depending on trim and year. I wonder how much of it is just so they can advertise "Now for 20XX - independent rear suspension!" or "Now for 20XX - torsion beam rear suspension!" Most people don't know or care about the difference, and either can be marketed as an "improvement."
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Jan 15, 2018 07:45
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New Ram. 225lbs lighter, now with cooled rear seats, power lift gate, available mild hybrid on both V6 and V8, 12' touchscreen.   
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Jan 15, 2018 08:37
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This looks a lot better than the Chevy posted earlier.
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Throatwarbler posted:New Ram. 225lbs lighter, now with cooled rear seats, power lift gate, available mild hybrid on both V6 and V8, 12' touchscreen. Dodge. Sure, we jammed a tablet in to the dash too, but ours is portrait!
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Jan 15, 2018 09:06
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KakerMix posted:This looks a lot better than the Chevy posted earlier. Agreed
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Jan 15, 2018 09:32
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Looks like they've very nearly gotten rid of the squircle fenders, too
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Throatwarbler posted:New Ram. 225lbs lighter, now with cooled rear seats, power lift gate, available mild hybrid on both V6 and V8, 12' touchscreen. e: looks like the water pump gets a subaru-style stretch belt.
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Jan 15, 2018 11:53
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BloodBag posted:I'm curious what that finned contraption is on top of the alternator. It's the mild hybrid engine so it's probably extra cooling for the alternator that is now also a generator and motor.
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I see VW hired the Honda wheel guy
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Throatwarbler posted:12' touchscreen. Tesla eat your heart out.
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Throatwarbler posted:...12' touchscreen. The floor of the bed is a touchscreen. They figured it was the best way to one up Ford and Chevy on bed materials.
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Throatwarbler posted:New Ram. 225lbs lighter, now with cooled rear seats, power lift gate, available mild hybrid on both V6 and V8, 12' touchscreen. So surely they wouldn't create a hybrid version of the 5.7L V8 just to put it in the RAM, right? Calling it now, next-gen Charger and Challenger and 300 are getting hybrid versions.
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The mild hybrids are taking over https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/15/mercedes-amg-53-inline-six-hybrid-detroit-43062/?hcid=ab-around-ab-tile-5 quote:Mercedes-AMG this morning revealed details of a new model designation, the AMG 53-series for the CLS and the E-Class Coupe and Cabriolet. Two words were the first to catch our eye: inline six. The AMG CLS53 and two variants of the AMG E53 are coming to the U.S.. We thought the new inline-six engine would arrive in the CLS, but we didn't realize it'd be an AMG. That's a nice bonus. 429 HP/384 lb-ft turbocharged straight six with electric boost to 450/568
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KakerMix posted:This looks a lot better than the Chevy posted earlier. I'm personally not a fan. I've never really liked the looks of the Ram though. Not a fan of the HVAC controls all being on that touchscreen either.  The lower trim one or whatever is set up better. 
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fknlo posted:I'm personally not a fan. I've never really liked the looks of the Ram though. Not a fan of the HVAC controls all being on that touchscreen either. There are still hard buttons for all the most frequently used HVAC controls though. Like, how often do you need to change stuff that isn't temperature or fan speed? Maybe the windshield defrost? There's a hard button for that.
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Jan 15, 2018 17:54
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It looks to me like all the important buttons are not on the touchscreen. I used to work at a CDJ dealership back in the early 2000's and remembering how awful the interiors were makes me immediately suspect of any and all of their products, but this actually looks pretty nice
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cool startup feel posted:The mild hybrids are taking over Man, it feels so crazy to see electric turbochargers go from "fake poo poo that hucksters are shilling on ebay" to "a real feature on luxury cars".
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TheWevel posted:There are still hard buttons for all the most frequently used HVAC controls though. Like, how often do you need to change stuff that isn't temperature or fan speed? Maybe the windshield defrost? There's a hard button for that. Didn't even notice those. At least the bro driving it doing 40 over will be able to keep his eyes on his phone!
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Powershift posted:Yet another mustang appearance package. meh Electric performance SUV. Because apparently everyone wants a loving SUV for some reason.
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Twerk from Home posted:Man, it feels so crazy to see electric turbochargers go from "fake poo poo that hucksters are shilling on ebay" to "a real feature on luxury cars". It's not electric forced induction, it's a mild hybrid.
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Jan 15, 2018 22:02
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KillHour posted:It's not electric forced induction, it's a mild hybrid. "electric auxiliary compressor that eliminates turbo lag" really sounds like an electric-driven forced induction at least some of the time, did I misunderstand?
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PT6A posted:Electric performance SUV. SUVs are actually the new full-size sedan, and the name is an archaic holdover from the EXTREEME '90s. Cars are just all much taller and fatter than they've ever been.
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Jan 15, 2018 22:27
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Sedans have always been a compromise design due the inability to engineer properly stiff and solid wagons and poo poo back in the dark days of the automotive industry. If you sincerely can't figure out why CUVs and SUVs are more popular than sedans you have a weak brain.
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Twerk from Home posted:"electric auxiliary compressor that eliminates turbo lag" really sounds like an electric-driven forced induction at least some of the time, did I misunderstand? http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/eBooster.aspx I'm not sure exactly how it's powered, most electric compressors like those need a 48V system to produce useful boost.
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It’s why they’re so much more popular than station wagons that I can’t figure out. Even the local newspaper which reviewed the CX-5 and 6 wagon together said that they don’t understand why you’d go for the CUV when the wagon is a cheaper and better alternative. It’s not like we ever have snow here or anything like that.
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Wheeee posted:Sedans have always been a compromise design due the inability to engineer properly stiff and solid wagons and poo poo back in the dark days of the automotive industry. Seriously. Like, a wagon shape makes the most sense for what I need from a car, and a crossover is basically a wagon but potentially with more room for batteries under the floor. Sedans are stupid and waste car useable car length.
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Wagons are cool but for vast swathes of America/Canada ground clearance actually matters. Even if you don't get snow, being able to take dirt roads and such without worrying about the car is nice. The actual handling differences from moving the center of gravity up a handful of inches are minimal unless you're driving harder than you should on the street.
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dissss posted:It’s why they’re so much more popular than station wagons that I can’t figure out. Hip point. Specifically something you don't have to step up (BOF truck/SUV) or fall down (most unibody cars) into. You basically side-step into the vehicle from standing height, which is a serious convenience if you're the age of most Baby Boomers. Higher ground clearance for adverse terrain is just a side bonus at the end of the day. Sagebrush posted:SUVs are actually the new full-size sedan, and the name is an archaic holdover from the EXTREEME '90s. Cars are just all much taller and fatter than they've ever been. I'd argue that the automotive world is returning to the sizes and form factors of the 30s/40s/50s after 50 years of Harley Earl-influenced design.
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I wonder how much power that hybrid system can transmit to the wheels. And how often you have to replace that expensive looking belt. The Pacifica Hybrid is an MG set inside the transmission. I would think thats a better idea, but I guess since its not a plug in hybrid, all you get to do is run the accessories off electric or something.
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blindjoe posted:I wonder how much power that hybrid system can transmit to the wheels. And how often you have to replace that expensive looking belt. It's no different than any other supercharger serpentine belt, so a well-known solved problem with cheap parts. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the exact same belt as the Hellcat supercharger belt. I so wonder how they set the belt tension on that water pump though. Mildly surprised they didn't replace both the mechanical pump and thermostat with an electric water pump.
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blindjoe posted:I wonder how much power that hybrid system can transmit to the wheels. And how often you have to replace that expensive looking belt. Who cares, the lease will be up by then
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EnergizerFellow posted:Hip point. Specifically something you don't have to step up (BOF truck/SUV) or fall down (most unibody cars) into. You basically side-step into the vehicle from standing height, which is a serious convenience if you're the age of most Baby Boomers. Higher ground clearance for adverse terrain is just a side bonus at the end of the day. Im not convinced that you ‘fall down’ into a modern family car anyway - they’re all quite tall these days. If you look at the 6 v the CX-5 you get more space, less weight and significantly better fuel economy for the disadvantages of being a bit lower and having a longer vehicle. dissss fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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EnergizerFellow posted:I so wonder how they set the belt tension on that water pump though. Mildly surprised they didn't replace both the mechanical pump and thermostat with an electric water pump. Electric water pumps don't work that well.
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Wrar posted:Electric water pumps don't work that well. I thought BMW and Porsche (and Audi?) have been doing electric water pumps for a while now? I'm wanting to think Porsche had them in some turbo applications as far back as the late 80s.
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Deteriorata posted:http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/eBooster.aspx  Zero to full boost in about a quarter second, about 6kW of draw peak at 48v. They aren't designed to provide continuous power, just enough to drop the time-to-torque down to ridiculously low levels while the larger conventional turbo comes into play. Should help alleviate the problem with the current mountain of downsized turbocharged engines running out of breath at the top end since you can run a larger turbo and gain low end torque. 
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EnergizerFellow posted:I thought BMW and Porsche (and Audi?) have been doing electric water pumps for a while now? I'm wanting to think Porsche had them in some turbo applications as far back as the late 80s. BMW has gone back to a mechanical water pump in the new B engines.
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dissss posted:It’s why they’re so much more popular than station wagons that I can’t figure out. "Because that's the car my mom drove".
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