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That would require Vegeta doing a thing in GT. Which he never did, despite also receiving a bullshit power up.
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CharlestheHammer posted:That would require Vegeta doing a thing in GT.
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Jan 16, 2018 07:13
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Also why does Golden ape make him SS4? Like that makes no sense, as Golden ape actually isn't a power up but just him going SS in ape form.
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Burkion posted:Yeah but you'd think having the fur and hair be gold would look better But the only power up that Goku has that isn't directly related to his saiyan heritage is UI (and the Kaioken I guess but that one is more of a technique). All the other variants of SS is all about pushing the power of a Saiyan to the limits on one way or another. Even during DB he needed to tap into that to beat the original Piccoro. CharlestheHammer posted:Also why does Golden ape make him SS4? Super Saiyan is a power up on itself and the idea is that SS4 is them gaining perfect control over the Golden Great Ape leading to an hybrid of Ape and Human. Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But the only power up that Goku has that isn't directly related to his saiyan heritage is UI (and the Kaioken I guess but that one is more of a technique). All the other variants of SS is all about pushing the power of a Saiyan to the limits on one way or another. Even during DB he needed to tap into that to beat the original Piccoro. Please give the ultra divine water it's due. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:
So is there a form of mastering regular ape they all ignored? CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But the only power up that Goku has that isn't directly related to his saiyan heritage is UI (and the Kaioken I guess but that one is more of a technique). All the other variants of SS is all about pushing the power of a Saiyan to the limits on one way or another. Even during DB he needed to tap into that to beat the original Piccoro. That's why I specified Technique UI is, as far as we can TELL, a technique as well not a transformation. The difference is that like, Freeza and Cell transform and that is unique to them. SSJ is unique to Sayians. Kaioken and UI are techniques that anyone can learn. Goku has always excelled at just picking up techniques, not really maining Sayian stuff. Remember all the poo poo he picked up in Dragon Ball before SSJ- and even with SSJ you see how he tackles it compared to Vegeta. Vegeta treats it like he treats all Sayian things, with overwhelming power. Goku saw it as a technique and trained it as such. Vegeta was the one who actively used the Great Ape form to fight when he had to though he considered it an insult. So he'd be the one to get SSJ4 over Goku.
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Why didn't Vegeta ever go super ape, he had complete control of his ape powers.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Why didn't Vegeta ever go super ape, he had complete control of his ape powers. Lost his tail and never regrew it I guess when you lose your tail more than twice it's just gone for good
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Burkion posted:Lost his tail and never regrew it I mean before that. Pre saiyan saga Vegeta should have done it. Or does it not count pre super saiyan.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Please give the ultra divine water it's due. The Ultra Divine Water allowed him to tap into the power of the Great Ape without transforming into it. quote:So is there a form of mastering regular ape they all ignored? The Saiyans didn't since that is they're go technique to conquer planets. Burkion posted:That's why I specified Technique Not an accurate comparison because Goku never knew it was possible to control the Great Ape form until he met Vegeta and by that point he had lost entirely the means to transform. There's nothing on his character that says he wouldn't tried to master the Great Ape as well if he would've had the chance. After all, he was the one to came with the idea of staying in SS for extended periods of time to get used to the strain caused by it. CharlestheHammer posted:I mean before that. Pre saiyan saga Vegeta should have done it. Exactly. Vegeta having actual control over the regular Great Ape is what allowed him to control the Golden Ape faster than Goku. Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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You may poo poo on GT, but SSJ4 was the last good transformation the series had
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That's a hell of a fanfic you writing there.Personal_Nirvana posted:You may poo poo on GT, but SSJ4 was the last good transformation the series had lol it's ugly nonsensical trash.
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Randos in this arc have had better transformations than SS4.
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Justin_Brett posted:Randos in this arc have had better transformations than SS4. The last episode had a better transformation
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I wouldn't call it nonsensical in concept but yeah it's ugly as hell. Even if you ignore the pants the hair just looks... bad. God and up are far better looking.
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Momomo posted:I wouldn't call it nonsensical in concept but yeah it's ugly as hell. Even if you ignore the pants the hair just looks... bad. God and up are far better looking. It isn't nonsensical in concept but in execution it's kind of a huge asspull that doesn't make a lot of sense. Like a lot of GTs problems the concept is fine but the execution is lazy.
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Burkion posted:I never understood why he had red fur, honestly It has golden fur actually!
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CharlestheHammer posted:It isn't nonsensical in concept but in execution it's kind of a huge asspull that doesn't make a lot of sense. That's more the case with Vegeta than it is with Goku. Goku is at least still wearing the same clothes as he did before he transformed.
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Momomo posted:That's more the case with Vegeta than it is with Goku. Goku is at least still wearing the same clothes as he did before he transformed. I meant more how he got there. Making it a Vegeta transformation especially with him already controlling ape form would have done a lot to make it more sensible. While it's funny to laughing at Goku gaining baggy pants or Vegeta......everything, I don't actually care much about that.
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I don't think anyone wants to remember how Goku ended up getting his tail back.
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Burkion posted:Lost his tail and never regrew it It's so weird you think someone would've figured out cut off the Saiyans tails since it's a massive target and adult Saiyan tails don't grow back. Maybe tail growth has something to with Blutz waves or whatever they were called Carlosologist posted:Please keep my Fighter Z pure and away from GT nonsense
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SirKibbles posted:It's so weird you think someone would've figured out cut off the Saiyans tails since it's a massive target and adult Saiyan tails don't grow back. Maybe tail growth has something to with Blutz waves or whatever they were called I don't think we should rush to the conclusion Toppo is going to become an actual GoD with the mantle and everything, I'd say it's more likely he's going to unseal the full extent of his power that first led to him being considered a GoD candidate as he was originally going to in his original battle with Goku
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Momomo posted:I wouldn't call it nonsensical in concept but yeah it's ugly as hell. Even if you ignore the pants the hair just looks... bad. God and up are far better looking. It's nonsensical cause it's about tapping into some primal natural and bestial strength that was some how secretly hidden inside them the whole time and that goes against Goku's one decent moral of "Actually putting effort toward your self improvement is good"
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In the mango, Vegeta said that his tail would grow back after Yajirobe cut it off. Of course, that never happened, and I'm guessing like most things, it's because Toriyama forgot that he said it.CharlestheHammer posted:Also why does Golden ape make him SS4? Wasn't turning into golden ape a product of looking at the full moon while one was in SSJ form? Also, transforming into the giant ape is a power up since they become ten times stronger than their base form. Now what I'm not exactly sure about : is SSJ4 basically a harnessing of that power of the Golden Ape to a more controllable form, or is it a powerup beyond the golden ape form? Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The Ultra Divine Water allowed him to tap into the power of the Great Ape without transforming into it. What? That can't be right. Goku was at 330 or something at the start of Z. That would mean when he drank the divine water, he would have to have a power level of less than 33 at the time.
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It seems like Saiyans can regrow their tail if they're still growing generally but if you're an adult it won't come back on its own.
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Toppo is going to get DQed by using hakai on freeza
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Kashuno posted:Toppo is going to get DQed by using hakai on freeza
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I don't think Toppo would do the one thing that would cause him to automatically lose
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I can believe that Toppo would see how evil Freeza is and decide that he needs to hakai him, knowing this will DQ him. Leaving the rest to Jiren
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Momomo posted:I don't think anyone wants to remember how Goku ended up getting his tail back. For those who don't remember, the Elder Kai made some giant tweezers, yanked Goku's pants down and pulled a new tail out of the little stub Goku had left. If I have to live with this knowledge than so do all of you.
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Flytrap posted:For those who don't remember, the Elder Kai made some giant tweezers, yanked Goku's pants down and pulled a new tail out of the little stub Goku had left. It's extra funny because at first they were trying to train Goku in some special way that would make his tail grow back on it's own, but then they were like "Naw, gently caress it just get the tweezers." It's like if King Kai was trying to teach Goku the kaioken but then just gave up and handed him a gun.
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Shin was still Kibito Kai in GT which is all kinds of hosed up
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We have one, maybe two more episodes until five minutes remain. At five minutes until absolute destruction, Frieza's true power will be activated: the ability to stretch those 5 minutes into like 10 more episodes. Even Grand Padre will have to check his watch like halfway through and remark about how preposterous this is.
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The best bullshit powerup in the Dragon Balls is "actually I was wearing my weighted training clothes all this time".
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a cartoon duck posted:The best bullshit powerup in the Dragon Balls is "actually I was wearing my weighted training clothes all this time". My favorite is when the clothes are mode of impossibly dense materials, like Goku's wrist bands that busted through the pavement at the Tenkaichi arena when he casually dropped them.
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Carlosologist posted:Shin was still Kibito Kai in GT which is all kinds of hosed up I'm still astounded that was a thing for so long, and how much more natural it is now that they're apart. Of course now Kibito is Mia, but I don't think there exists a person who ever gave a poo poo about Kibito. gently caress, Goku essentially called him weak for dying against Dabura.
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I can totally see seven weeks comprising the last seven minutes of the ToP. I think the fun part is that there's no clear way that this is going to break since Super has done a good job of not leaning too hard on the old way
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The show's been fairly consistent for a good while now that one episode is one minute, plus it matches up with the tournament ending March so there's little reason to assume the pattern will break now.
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Kashuno posted:Toppo is going to get DQed by using hakai on freeza You're not allowed to kill your opponent. Erasing is different from killing and Freeza is already dead, so loophole!
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a cartoon duck posted:The best bullshit powerup in the Dragon Balls is "actually I was wearing my weighted training clothes all this time". Have they busted this out at all in Super yet? It feels like a pretty classic Dragonball move, but I can't recall seeing it yet. I kept expecting Hit to take off his jacket and be like "This weighs 600 tons, now I'm even faster!!!".
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