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Gynovore posted:Hell yeah. I stopped reading when I saw Deus Ex at #332. That's very generous to deus ex.
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Jan 17, 2018 11:16
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TheScott2K posted:Most open world games would be better if they were a linear progression of story missions that took place in discrete locations. Again, like Hitman. I don't need to be able to run to the other side of town in the middle of a mission That would stop them being open world games, but definitely most missions in open worlds would be better if they transported you to locations as necessary. I wish quest designers would realize that having to travel to a place is not intrinsically fun. If you felt like arguing for the badness of Mass Effect 2, I would be interested.
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Jan 17, 2018 11:54
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Oh dear me posted:That would stop them being open world games, Good.
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Jan 17, 2018 12:37
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This was pretty good imo
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Jan 17, 2018 14:23
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precision posted:yeah that list is massively skewed towards games that "had an impact" rather than "are timelessly good" (putting things like Adventure and Dragon Warrior 1 in the top 100, instead of River Raid or literally any Dragon Quest game that came after 1 as they were all without exception improvements on the formula), and also towards "including deep cuts to prove our integrity" (ton of games on there that were only ever released on computers nobody owned) Definitely not denying that the concept of a Top 500 list is fart huffing to the extreme. Also not denying that the list is full of each reviewer's special snowflake games. But the point of it is - that list is supposedly a collaborative effort between freelancers and Polygon staff. The fact that 10% of the top 100 has SNES-exclusive games and zero Genesis games still reinforces my original point - saying the Genesis was poo poo compared to the SNES isn't an unpopular opinion. The real head-scratchers on that list are: They put P.T. - you know, a trailer for a game that doesn't exist - in the Top 200. No Star Control 2 in the Top 100. Ms. Pac Man at #6? Now a fun unpopular opinion would be: People need to stop sucking Tetris' dick by putting it at #1 of every top-whatever list. It's a way-too-common safety pick at that spot, and every time I see it there I look at the list with a grain of salt. This is a cool list though, compiled by Hardcore Gaming 101: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/tmA5F_QiM7zVTvKVSdvS3wA/htmlviewpli=1 It's hard to figure out where that list turns from 'good games' to 'lovely games' though, because they're rating everything they wind up reviewing for the feature. LuiCypher fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 17:38
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LuiCypher posted:No Star Control 2 in the Top 100. WHAT
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Jan 17, 2018 17:41
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Real time + Pause is awful and the worst thing that ever happened to "traditional" WRPGs. It's like tactical combat except except far, far vaguer. It breaks my heart that Obsidian are doing nostalgia trips for Infinity Engine fans because I loving hate the Infinity Engine and all combat systems inspired by it. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 17:45
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My other opinion is that Resident Evil 6 kicked rear end. It's my favorite terrible game since like, Lost Planet 2.
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Jan 17, 2018 17:51
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Feels Villeneuve posted:My other opinion is that Resident Evil 6 kicked rear end. It's my favorite terrible game since like, Lost Planet 2. RE6 rules and is by far the best one.
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Jan 17, 2018 17:58
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LuiCypher posted:People need to stop sucking Tetris' dick by putting it at #1 of every top-whatever list. It's a way-too-common safety pick at that spot, and every time I see it there I look at the list with a grain of salt.
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Jan 17, 2018 18:21
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I want to make a version of Tetris where it's nothing but longs just to prove people would still lose eventually
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Jan 17, 2018 18:24
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LuiCypher posted:Not cool, edgy, or even an unpopular opinion. I don't know dude, I still run into people that swear their Genesis was better, but perhaps they're skewed by a love for Treasure or maybe they really really love Light Crusader
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Jan 17, 2018 18:41
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Good soup! posted:I don't know dude, I still run into people that swear their Genesis was better, but perhaps they're skewed by a love for Treasure or maybe they really really love Light Crusader It's because they only had a Genesis
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Jan 17, 2018 18:43
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guess that goes for a lot of people I think Red Dead Redemption is a chore to play Apparently among my friends this is heresy, but I find inverting the y-axis is the best way to play when using a controller Overwatch is not good Day of Defeat was the best WWII game, sorry Red Orchestra/COD/MoH/etc., Painkiller was boring even when it first came out
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Jan 17, 2018 19:16
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Good soup! posted:I think Red Dead Redemption is a chore to play I keep trying and failing to get into a Red Dead playthrough. Yes, the skybox is great, but god does the game feel like work.
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Jan 17, 2018 19:19
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Dedicated healing is the worst design decision in every game that has it, and WoW is a bought for having basically codified it. It's also part of why Overwatch is bad.
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Jan 17, 2018 19:27
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I mostly like OW otherwise but Overwatch's matchmaking sucks a whoooole lot. Five to ten minute waits a game? Screw that.
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Jan 17, 2018 19:37
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Real time + Pause is awful and the worst thing that ever happened to "traditional" WRPGs. It's like tactical combat except except far, far vaguer. This Instead of having a system to learn and exploit you get a writhing orgy of nonsense
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Jan 17, 2018 20:18
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The conversations in Red Dead Redemption are good and the poker is fun, but actually doing all the race quests is tiresome. I know I've played a game that let you skip driving around - was it LA Noire? - and I really wish every game always had a 'skip to the next stage of this quest' option.
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Jan 17, 2018 20:19
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I hate all top down wrpgs of the type where your cursor is a sword, or worse, there's a big gui bar with a sword you have to click first to turn your cursor into a sword before you can attack.
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Jan 17, 2018 20:45
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All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing. Like why can't they just make them serious?
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Jan 17, 2018 21:00
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Good soup! posted:I don't know dude, I still run into people that swear their Genesis was better, but perhaps they're skewed by a love for Treasure or maybe they really really love Light Crusader I had a Genesis as well growing up, but even still - the Genesis did do a few things here and there better, but overall the SNES was the better system. Sure, Phantasy Star IV is cool, but when its competition is any number of SNES-era JRPGs (i.e., Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI) you can't really say the Genesis did RPGs better. Granted, Phantasy Star II was notable for the time it came out (1989!), but the series didn't really push the envelope as hard as those SNES RPGs. Treasure definitely did cool things with the console far beyond what a lot of developers did, and their games typically focused on the types of things that the Genesis did well - think anything arcade-style or fast-paced. I think where the SNES did well - and why it's generally considered the better console - is provide games that firmly transitioned away from the arcade-style experience and emphasized longer, more in-depth, memorable experiences. It took advantage of the fact that the console was a fixture in your home and you did have the time to play games for much longer, and those 10 games in the Top 100 really emphasize that. Where I will say that the Genesis typically outperformed the SNES is in some cross-platform/similar games, and most games that came from the arcade. For example, I think the Earthworm Jim series is categorically better on the Genesis in every conceivable way compared to the SNES. I think Contra: Hard Corps for the Genesis is better in nearly every way compared to Contra III - it's faster, its soundtrack has a harder edge to it, it has some semblance of a plot, it has multiple endings depending on certain choices made in the game, there are four different ways to play (characters), etc. Sure, it doesn't have Mode 7 effects like Contra III, but in my mind those hardly make up the difference. Regardless, these instances where the Genesis is better are few and far between compared to the perceived quality of the SNES' top titles. Is Contra: Hard Corps as great as Chrono Trigger? It's just as great in the sense that it's an exemplar of its genre like Chrono Trigger is, but Chrono Trigger provided a different - and ultimately more meaningful experience to the people who played it - than Contra: Hard Corps did. LuiCypher fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 21:42
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TipsyMcStagger posted:All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing. I wanted to link a video of nothing but Aeris' death scene for 10 hours, but the internet surprisingly has not done this yet. LuiCypher fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 21:44
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Regular Nintendo posted:This I'm going to send angry hatemail to Obsidian until they stop making Infinity Engine nostalgia games and start making Gold Box nostalgia games.
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Jan 17, 2018 21:45
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TipsyMcStagger posted:All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing. That sounds like It would be incredibly fun.
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Jan 17, 2018 23:34
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LuiCypher posted:The real head-scratchers on that list are: Agreed except for Ms. Pac Man, that is legit a top 10 game of all time. All those quarters... gone, like tears in rain...
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Mass Effect 2 is the only game that is better off being real time with pause.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing. Sounds boring as hell lmao
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Jan 18, 2018 01:54
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Good soup! posted:I don't know dude, I still run into people that swear their Genesis was better, but perhaps they're skewed by a love for Treasure or maybe they really really love Light Crusader our version of mortal kombat had blood 
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precision posted:Mass Effect 2 is the only game that is better off being real time with pause. The thing is Mass Effect is a shooter so there's no problem with feedback, you aim at the bad guys and shoot them. With Infinity Engine you like, sort of politely direct your guys to attack the bad guys? And somehow the D+D concept of turns is abstracted into this bullshit? It's loving horrible.
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Jan 18, 2018 02:24
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TipsyMcStagger posted:All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing.
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Endorph posted:saying the name of the attack you're doing is extremely good TIGER UPPERCUT
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Jan 18, 2018 02:41
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Endorph posted:saying the name of the attack you're doing is extremely good This
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Jan 18, 2018 03:51
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TipsyMcStagger posted:All jrpgs are horrible because they have too many bad "acting" moments and design decisions like screaming out the name of the attack your doing. Im torn because for the most part I agree, there are a lot of terrible JRPGS than there are good ones but shouting out attacks can be awesome Not a game, but see: Fist of the North Star
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Jan 18, 2018 03:58
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Real time + Pause is awful and the worst thing that ever happened to "traditional" WRPGs. It's like tactical combat except except far, far vaguer. ya in most games killing the big evil monster is an achievement in rtwp games getting everyone to attack the big evil monster in the first place is an achievement
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Jan 18, 2018 04:02
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Speaking of JRPGs, not sure how unpopular it is given the positive reviews, but the new Xenoblade game has an aggressively lovely derivative art style that makes me avoid it at all costs
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Jan 18, 2018 04:04
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Good soup! posted:Im torn because for the most part I agree, there are a lot of terrible JRPGS than there are good ones but shouting out attacks can be awesome
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I love red dead revolver but I think red dead redemption is extremely overrated. Single player (uneven story and lots of set pieces that have no meaning outside their one time use in a story mission, as is rockstar standard, leaves the world meaningless) and multiplayer (linear gun progression is boring and not fun) were both weak. Also I think spec ops the line is overrated and not as deep as people claim. Shout out to the poster that said Lost planet 2 owns. I love that game.
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