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Der Kyhe posted:Living here I found out that ordering a new metal-bodied Maglite 4D cost me total of 40 EUR ordering it from the Amazon.de. The same flashlight is sold at our retail chains for ~100e. It's nowhere near consistent across all businesses, but wholesale is generally 50% of retail.
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Also malls are the white flight of the US retail world and this should be crossposted into the schadenfreude thread because white people are literally Hitler.
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dialhforhero posted:Also malls are the white flight of the US retail world and this should be crossposted into the schadenfreude thread because white people are literally Hitler. Nope. I have a full mustache and goatee and I can't paint worth a poo poo.
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Jan 17, 2018 21:16
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Malls became a thing partly because of a change in the tax code in 1954 that changed how depreciation was handled for new construction, so building shopping malls was way more profitable than maintaining existing downtown shopping districts.
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Jan 17, 2018 21:23
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Yes, but I'm pretty sure that the massive white flight from those shopping districts was most of the other reasons. Malls are basically whiteness in building form, which never keeps me from getting food court Taco Bell anytime I'm near one. Thread submission: Old style franchise fast food. Bad food, prices becoming uneconomical, social stigma.
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Jan 17, 2018 21:56
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T-man posted:Thread submission: Old style franchise fast food. Bad food, prices becoming uneconomical, social stigma. I disagree, yes, all those are great points as to why they should die, but most people seem to eat there for consistency. You can go to any McDonald's and get the same crappy rear end burger.
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Jan 17, 2018 22:02
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Iron Crowned posted:I disagree, yes, all those are great points as to why they should die, but most people seem to eat there for consistency. You can go to any McDonald's and get the same crappy rear end burger. There are way worse burgers than McD's. And whoever at Taco Bell decided to make taco shells out of Doritos deserves a motherfucking Nobel.
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Phanatic posted:There are way worse burgers than McD's. Amen. Had one of those the other day and it was like seeing fast food God.
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Dick Trauma posted:When I lived in Denver the company I worked at had taken over a dying mall and was turning it into a call center. I was obliged to conduct a "job fair" at what was left of the mall. There were a couple of stores still open, but everything else was gone. Most of the displays and furniture had been left behind and the Muzak was still playing so it was creepy. We took over an abandoned shoe store, pushing the chairs and shelving away to make room for a folding table. It was an appropriate preview for new hires as to what their work experience would be like. Which mall was it. Westminster?
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I went to a local mall a few months ago and that place was Standing Room Only. Just a truly uncomfortable amount of people, it wasn't unheard of to see stores with 2 or 3 people in line at the register and no closed stores. So there is apparently still some limited habitat for the American Mall to thrive in. It was before Thanksgiving so you couldn't even say it was the holidays. Except the Sears, which was still completely empty. Some companies truly can't survive anywhere. Neither of the Department Stores I walked through were very busy though it's hard to tell because they're huge 2 floor monstrosities.
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Samizdata posted:Nope. I have a full mustache and goatee and I can't paint worth a poo poo. So you're one half Hitler?
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Jedit posted:So you're one half Hitler? Nope. I mean I make Hitler's painting look like one of the Grand Masters if they did watercolors.
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New Butt Order posted:I went to a local mall a few months ago and that place was Standing Room Only. Just a truly uncomfortable amount of people, it wasn't unheard of to see stores with 2 or 3 people in line at the register and no closed stores. So there is apparently still some limited habitat for the American Mall to thrive in. It was before Thanksgiving so you couldn't even say it was the holidays. Because most malls are doing fine. Individual stores like Sears may be failing, but people still love malls. I had to go to a local second tier mall multiple times during the week for Apple warranty work and I was surprised at the crowd on a Monday and Tuesday night. They just don't love all these malls. There are too many and we'd probably need to close a third of them to restore a consumerist retail balance.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:12
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Sears died because their CEO was/is a crazy liberal*. There are some pretty interesting articles about it on the Internet. *) But I repeat myself.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Sears died because their CEO was/is a crazy liberal*. There are some pretty interesting articles about it on the Internet. Oh yes, a follower of noted liberal icon Ayn Ryan.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:20
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Jerry Cotton posted:Sears died because their CEO was/is a crazy liberal*. There are some pretty interesting articles about it on the Internet. I used to have a Prodigy account. Got it when Sears was still pushing it.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Oh yes, a follower of noted liberal icon Ayn Ryan. Yes  e: It's Ayn Rand actually.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:21
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Jerry Cotton posted:Yes Sorry, I got her mixed up with noted progressive Paul Ryan.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:24
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Krispy Wafer posted:Sorry, I got her mixed up with noted progressive Paul Ryan. No, you're thinking of the noted socialist, Rand Paul.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:33
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Jerry Cotton posted:Sears died because their CEO was/is a crazy liberal*. There are some pretty interesting articles about it on the Internet. Crazy liberal? Try Libertarian, way different breed. He's a loving self-avowed advocate of Ayn Rand. His hedge-fund has lent money to SHC. He sold Sears owned locations to a prop management company that he as a significant stake and then rents the retail space back. So the company he runs pays rent to a company he runs. The real estate and financing shell games he's played are everything that's sickening about modern business. And it's all apparently legal. USA Today has a good rundown from last year of how Eddie Lampert has gutted Sears and Kmart to enrich himself. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/03/22/sears-holdings-ceo-eddie-lampert/99487518/
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Well if they didn't want him to gut it to enrich himself why did they give him those powers? Checkmate statists. Edit: Actually I feel the need to explicitly point out this is sarcastic, tone doesn't carry well online.
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Jan 18, 2018 22:49
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Proteus Jones posted:Crazy liberal? Try Libertarian, way different breed. I'm not American so I don't have to use the word libertarian instead of liberal.
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Jan 18, 2018 23:23
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Jerry Cotton posted:I'm not American so I don't have to use the word libertarian instead of liberal. They are just similar sounding words i don't get the joke you're making.
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Jan 18, 2018 23:25
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Vic posted:They are just similar sounding words i don't get the joke you're making. I'm not making a joke. In literally everywhere else on the globe liberalism refers to the political ideology that Americans call libertarianism and since I'm not American I use it that way as well.
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Jan 18, 2018 23:29
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Jerry Cotton posted:I'm not making a joke. In literally everywhere else on the globe liberalism refers to the political ideology that Americans call libertarianism and since I'm not American I use it that way as well. I'm not an american but you're pretty dumb. EDIT: But most importantly wrong.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism Liberalism in an economic sense literally means the absence of regulation and the maximization of the decision-making power of the individual actor (and by extension, the corporation.) Protectionism, re-distributive policies, worker protections, and taxation are all contrary to the goals and beliefs of economic liberalism. Using it like that in an American context is bound to be confusing though, since we tend to think of liberalism as something different. See also: Chomsky labeling himself a libertarian. EDIT: I believe this is also why the term neoliberalism came into vogue, although it essentially means the same thing as (economic) liberalism, but exists as a separate term in order to contrast it with the public connotation of liberalism.
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moller posted:Chomsky At least we got back on topic!
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check this out: dudes getting ready to record onto an edison gramaphone tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2b0NdL6_E
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Please don't bother arguing with Jerry Cotton. It just encourages him to poo poo up the thread more.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I'm not making a joke. In literally everywhere else on the globe liberalism refers to the political ideology that Americans call libertarianism and since I'm not American I use it that way as well. Just in case it wasn't clear, what "liberal" means around the world varies, but not what libertarian means. Liberal 100% does not refer to libertarianism almost anywhere in the world. Liberal for most countries is centre-right, in the USA it's centre-left (well, for them). Libertarianism is an extreme ideology that basically supports the dissolution of the state to a greater or lesser extent.
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I've been checking the Sears by me every week to see how low they'll go before they close. I went yesterday and it's probably 2/3 empty, they consolidated everything though. Appliances and power tools are still only 30-40% off, and it looks like they only have floor samples left. I'd imagine 40% off a $2000 refrigerator is nothing to sneeze at, though. I did basically replace my entire current collared shirt wardrobe for like $50, all the clothes left are 70-80% off. Gonna keep going back even though I don't really need anything, I just kind of like seeing stores empty out like that. I supervised a couple of Radio Shack store closings and that was a lot of fun.
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Sears aired no advertising at all over the entire 2017 holiday season. That can't bode well.
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Jeza posted:Just in case it wasn't clear, what "liberal" means around the world varies, but not what libertarian means. Liberal 100% does not refer to libertarianism almost anywhere in the world. Liberal for most countries is centre-right, in the USA it's centre-left (well, for them). Libertarianism is an extreme ideology that basically supports the dissolution of the state to a greater or lesser extent. To further clarify, people like to oversimplify by saying that Americans have it backwards but it's more that the Republicans are fiscally liberal but socially conservative and the Democrats are the opposite.
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Hirayuki posted:Sears aired no advertising at all over the entire 2017 holiday season. That can't bode well. It's more or less been known for at least a year that they'll be filing for bankruptcy by the end of the 2018, if not before, based on the rate they've been shedding Kmart and Sears locations and shrinking the floor space of the sites they keep. Their credit worthiness is in the tank, as well. It's possible it might be a restructuring (Chapter 11), but the smart money is on liquidation (Chapter 7). But Eddie Lampert will make out like the bandit he is.
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IIRC I read an article a while back about how Sears as a company will be fine, because they are rare retailers that actually own the space most of their stores are in, so they'll make money off rentals and such. It sounds a little fishy, but OTOH there's been a closed-down Sears around here in a primo location that's been empty for years 
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Sears could have been amazon, but instead of just putting their ludicrously big sears catalog online they just put up a few selected items and made them extra expensive.
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:IIRC I read an article a while back about how Sears as a company will be fine, because they are rare retailers that actually own the space most of their stores are in, so they'll make money off rentals and such. Nope. Eddie Lampert has been selling the real estate to a property company to keep the company afloat for a couple years now. Sears and Kmart then lease the locations back. Oh, and Lampert has a very large, if not controlling, stake in the property company. So a company he runs is renting space from a company he financially benefits from. They've been trying to get by in reducing floorspace (putting up temp walls to camouflage it), and getting other companies to rent the extra space. The closures have been happening at struggling malls and low traffic locations. It's starting to accelerate now, so I expect we're going to see a lot more over this year. Eddie Lampert has destroyed in 10 years what was once the largest and oldest retailer in the US.
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Tunicate posted:Sears could have been amazon, but instead of just putting their ludicrously big sears catalog online they just put up a few selected items and made them extra expensive. "King Dedede Drooling While Eating" if you want to google some NSFW. Apparently this is an archive link of it https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3439441
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:I've been checking the Sears by me every week to see how low they'll go before they close. I went yesterday and it's probably 2/3 empty, they consolidated everything though. Appliances and power tools are still only 30-40% off, and it looks like they only have floor samples left. I'd imagine 40% off a $2000 refrigerator is nothing to sneeze at, though. Just so you know, you can get 40% off fridges at stores that aren't going out of business. Just keep an eye out for Lowes and Home Depot sales. And yes, that means refrigerators have pretty hefty markups. LG and Samsung models in particular seem to go for insane discounts or insane profit margins depending on the day you purchase them.
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It's amazing that stores like Kmart, Sears, and Woolworth have died withing our life-times.
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