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Yeah, I wish her luck and support in burning down the USAG for their role in this.
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Same. Aly Raisman is a tough + awesome lady and I hope she succeeds in leading the charge to completely dismantle US Gymnastics and remake it in a manner that doesn't allow its athletes to be abused for multiple decades
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"Women's" gymnastics is a very hosed up sport regardless of molestation. Any sport where the ideal body type is a 13 year old girl should be banned.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:"Women's" gymnastics is a very hosed up sport regardless of molestation. Any sport where the ideal body type is a 13 year old girl should be banned. Well not really, it’s just a good sport for short people. Just like basketball is for tall people. gymnasts tend to be in great shape outside of wrists and poo poo. It’s not like gymnastics coaches and parents are keeping their kids in cages to ensure they don’t grow
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C-Euro posted:Had a phond interview a couple days ago for a technical sales role which is out of my wheelhouse, but they liked me enough to book me for a second phone call with someone who would be training me if I got into the role. Sup good phone interview buddy Hell yeah good luck and kick rear end on the second!
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:"Women's" gymnastics is a very hosed up sport regardless of molestation. Any sport where the ideal body type is a 13 year old girl should be banned. I've always kind of struggled with this, too. I think the amount of pressure put on these children is insane and has to be psychologically damaging. On the other hand, I think a lot of these kids very much want to compete, and do so by their own choice. Undoubtedly some of them simply cannot know what they're signing themselves up for when they get into very high level gymnastics competition, but most of them are not idiots and children are actually very resilient, too. But I still find it disturbing. I feel terrible for the ones that fail to win a medal, and worse, the ones who don't even make the team. The amount of time and dedication they have to put into gymnastics, it must totally take over their personal lives, they can sense the hopes and anticipation of their parents, coaches, etc. And then they don't quite make it, some other girl is marginally better... I bet a lot of times basic genetics holds them back, they have a non-optimal body type as they develop. Because of course you have to get started when you're like 10 years old, and you have no idea what your body will be like when you're at the optimal age of around 15 or 16 or whatever. I dunno. I don't wanna tell kids they can't do gymnastics if it's what they love, but I can't help but feel like the fallout from the pressure they're under amounts to psychological trauma, at least in some cases. I bet if you interviewed a hundred ex-gymnasts in their 30s, you'd get a lot of women who say they have no regrets, but maybe a few who do? SHOAH NUFF posted:Well not really, it’s just a good sport for short people. Just like basketball is for tall people. gymnasts tend to be in great shape outside of wrists and poo poo. It’s not like gymnastics coaches and parents are keeping their kids in cages to ensure they don’t grow High-level gymnasts are on strict diets and exercise regimens, though, and they have to practice for hours daily or near-daily. I've heard that due to the extremely strict dieting and high levels of muscle development and exercise that many of these young girls have delayed puberty, not beginning menstruation until later than average. Lots of the guys in this thread do extreme dieting and exercise, it's not like that's necessarily abusive... but it's a significant impact on their bodies and development. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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I just sat here waiting for 15 minutes for a software update to go through on my estimating software. There was a pop under asking if I wanted to proceed that did not show in the taskbar and was 100% covered my the "loading update" screen. What a well crafted design.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Nailed my phone interview in person interview next week fuuuuuuck yes!! gently caress yeah dude. Glad to hear.
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Well not really, it’s just a good sport for short people. Just like basketball is for tall people. gymnasts tend to be in great shape outside of wrists and poo poo. It’s not like gymnastics coaches and parents are keeping their kids in cages to ensure they don’t grow No. It's a sport where girls who have not developed fully have a distinct advantage. There is a reason China is always trying to sneak 12 year olds in. The result is you end up with young girls training non stop under tremendous pressure, to say nothing of the weirdos in charge.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:No. It's a sport where girls who have not developed fully have a distinct advantage. There is a reason China is always trying to sneak 12 year olds in. The result is you end up with young girls training non stop under tremendous pressure, to say nothing of the weirdos in charge. Yeah, all you have to do is look at China taking the sport to it's natural conclusion to realize it's hosed.
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^^ Sure, as is the russian doping scandal or other scandals affecting olympic level athletes (growing up the number of lol they're men jokes about East-German female olympic athletes is pretty staggering in retrospect) This is true about plenty of athletes though, just look at the ludicrous poo poo sports parents do to their kids, especially top level high school quarterbacks or basketball players. I'm reminded of the SI article about HS pitchers needing to get TJ surgery: https://www.si.com/edge/2015/07/30/examining-tommy-john-surgery-youth-baseball-mlb
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I mean all sports have strict diet and exercise regimens, I suppose gymnastics is worse because they compete from a younger age. I was just saying that small people self select themselves into gymnastics rather than the sport stunting their growth but maybe that’s wrong too..
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Leperflesh posted:. Because of course you have to get started when you're like 10 years old, Hah. No way. These girls have been doing gymnastics since they were five or younger. Ten year olds jumping into gymnastics would stand no chance, even in just a regional level. The amount of work required to be good is almost hard to understand.
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Kalli posted:This is true about plenty of athletes though, just look at the ludicrous poo poo sports parents do to their kids, especially top level high school quarterbacks or basketball players. No doubt. Maybe because it's pre-teen girls it seems worse, but a ton of the poo poo parents put their kids through is questionable. A lot of parents are trying to grasp at the feeling of triumph and glory through their childrens' accomplishments, and apply more pressure than is healthy to get there. SHOAH NUFF posted:I mean all sports have strict diet and exercise regimens, I suppose gymnastics is worse because they compete from a younger age. I was just saying that small people self select themselves into gymnastics rather than the sport stunting their growth but maybe that’s wrong too.. Yeah the issue I guess is that the dieting is intentionally aimed at restricting growth, to an absurd degree. Also, lots of girls whose bodies are not ideal for high-level competitive gymnastics still do gymnastics, they just aren't competitive. Some girls are naturally tiny and probably don't have to work as hard at staying tiny while also becoming powerfully strong. I'd guess it's at the border of the two, where you have a very talented girl who is just right on the margin of being too large or having too much body fat or developing earlier that you get into the severe stuff that could be abusive? Sometimes? Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Hah. No way. These girls have been doing gymnastics since they were five or younger. Ten year olds jumping into gymnastics would stand no chance, even in just a regional level. The amount of work required to be good is almost hard to understand. Yeah I'm sure you're right, actually. I have some friends whose daughter got into gymnastics around the age of 10... and then grew to be nearly 6 feet tall by the age of 15. She had no chance at all, but I didn't think about how probably even if she had stayed small she had no chance due to not starting till she was 10. She still enjoys it as far as I know, and since everyone could plainly see she was way too big to be competitive, I doubt anyone ever pressured her particularly. It's a healthy sport and passtime for her.
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axeil posted:It's really, really sad when you read the articles from last year and they are talking about a dozen women, then 50+, then 100+ and you know that right now there's over 200. Oh god At least 14 MSU staff members had abuse reported to them, including the current MSU president
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Kalli posted:This is true about plenty of athletes though, just look at the ludicrous poo poo sports parents do to their kids, especially top level high school quarterbacks or basketball players. Yeah, pretty much any top level athlete likely didn't have what anyone would call an "idyllic childhood." I read Andre Agassi's memoir and his dad made him spend something like 5 hours a day hitting tennis balls since he was able to walk.
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Skwirl posted:Oh god Burn it to the ground
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Mel Mudkiper posted:they know the exotic holes Preparing my bootyhole
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Burn it to the ground Yeah, like how is this not the definition of lack of institutional control? How can you gently caress up something like this and then continue to hold a position where you are responsible for the safety of other people?
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I found out today that contractors in Illinois don't get paid sick days.  that guy and everyone who's about to get sick as gently caress in that office
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:No. It's a sport where girls who have not developed fully have a distinct advantage. There is a reason China is always trying to sneak 12 year olds in. The result is you end up with young girls training non stop under tremendous pressure, to say nothing of the weirdos in charge. I think the Olympics changed their scoring around so the power/strength routines are rewarded super heavily so the Chinese 12 year old have no shot at all Rausman is super jacked IIRC AS we learned from PSU, sex abuse is not an NCAA violation
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Kalli posted:Yeah, like how is this not the definition of lack of institutional control? Look at Baylor. At every level of the school they knew what was going on with players raping women on campus and actively worked to intimidate and remove the victims from campus. No criminal charges and not even that many NCAA ramifications.
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^^ Yeah, same deal. It's just an institutional rot where blame flows away into nothing, instead of up like it should. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:AS we learned from PSU, sex abuse is not an NCAA violation I mean, I don't really care about the NCAA because they've fully demonstrated their incompetence and it should be abolished, but I mean, if you are a school official who learns of abuse of students / minors and do not report it, you should not allowed to be in a position of power over students. You hosed up at the easiest part of your job.
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Skwirl posted:Oh god Jesus loving christ. Jail. Now. All of them. These fuckers are even pulling an Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzalez on this whole thing. quote:Two years later, runner Christie Achenbach sounded an alarm when she told her coach about Nassar’s conduct in 1999. gently caress these pieces of poo poo. I'm so angry. axeil fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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Every sport requires an insane amount of training to be All World good. The "problem" with gymnastics is that it favors strength to weight ratio while most sports rely on raw strength. That ratio is higher in children, so the population undergoing that degree of training is younger than in say football or basketball. The other real and significant problem is that the adults in charge of monitoring the overall well being of the children are more concerned with making money or even predatory behavior. Even some of the parents are exploitative and care more about fame than the child's success or health.
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like i remember it took nearly a decade for the confirmation that the 2000 chinese team used an underage girl http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/sports/olympics/29gymnast.html
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Leperflesh posted:Lots of the guys in this thread do extreme dieting and exercise, hahaha
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axeil posted:Jesus loving christ. I think I may have brought this up before, so apologies in advance, but I'm really upset about all this and I need to talk about it, I hope that's okay. One of my best friends in high school was sexually abused by her doctor and no one believed her (save me and one or two other friends) and it loving destroyed her. Her parents called her a liar and made her keep going to him and the cops refused to do anything. She tried to kill herself multiple times and it was one of the most painful things I've ever seen someone go through as my friend went from a really personable, friendly and happy person to living in hell. Over the course of two years I basically watched my friend die. She was still alive at the end but that piece of poo poo killed the person who I went camping with and made jokes with in class and replaced her with a zombie. My therapist also thinks that having to keep my friend afloat (as her parents wouldn't let her talk to a therapist and "spread her lies") probably contributed to a lot of my own emotional problems as a 15 year-old kid is completely unqualified to do that in a healthy way. I still know her doctor's name and I honestly hope he has the most painful, miserable death imaginable. These people at MSU and US Gymnastics who knew are utter pieces of poo poo and failures as human beings, and I'm trying to come up with even more language for how I feel but I'm failing to put into words just how deeply, deeply evil they are. They are just as guilty and complicit as Nasser himself. These women trusted these officials and went to them and in the most important moment of their lives all of these people chose to be cowards and cover it up to defend a loving monster. My friend told me the worst part wasn't the abuse itself, it was going to people she trusted and having them all but laugh in her face and do nothing. gently caress them. I'm so, so angry.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, like how is this not the definition of lack of institutional control? I've got Nebraska to worry about.
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axeil posted:I think I may have brought this up before, so apologies in advance, but I'm really upset about all this and I need to talk about it, I hope that's okay. My primary care physician growing up did that to several patients. Happy ending though; the only one who died was him, because he got found out and convicted fast. He killed himself before going to jail, but gently caress him anyway. People who prey on the vulnerable are loving scum.
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https://tonyarcieri.com/the-tether-conundrum In case you were curious like I was about what Tether is and how it's tied to buttcoins.
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Amy Pole Her posted:He’s gullible it’s cute Keto? Lifting daily? Still not the level that olympic gymnasts do, but by the ordinary standards of Americans, it's way more than just halfheartedly doing weight watchers and going for a jog once a week or whatever. Maybe "extreme" was too extreme of a word, that's fair.
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