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Neon Belly posted:There's an implication of sorts. Then explain how you haven't advanced beyond the basic but scoot? hmmmmm Odddzy posted:A guy that's done bjj for five years with a wrestling background that trains 3-4x a week is probably someone i'd put more money on in a fight against a moped than you. I agree. I was just making the point.
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:Do you play a pretty heavy deep half/ half guard game mostly? Because I do and I have the same problem. Mostly just half, a little deep half. I messed up my knee right when I got my blue belt so I've spent the last 2 years playing half guard bottom almost exclusively.
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willie_dee posted:Then explain how you haven't advanced beyond the basic but scoot? hmmmmm Explanation: I treat bjj as a hobby attached with a social club.
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Neon Belly posted:Explanation: I treat bjj as a hobby attached with a social club. And light homoerotic touching?
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JaySB posted:And light homoerotic touching? Only if the eyes meet.
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Defenestrategy posted:edit: on that note, why are single legs with head outside illegal in white belt in ibjjf?
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Jan 19, 2018 23:25
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Yuns posted:You can get spiked onto the crown of your head and paralyzed when you keep your head to the outside in a single leg. (I think they call it a DDT in pro wrestling.) This. Novice stand up grapplers are the most dangerous thing because of how unpredictable and undisciplined they are.
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Judo has equivalent rules which can result in the attacking player getting DQed for his own safety.
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Does the competition rule mean that people at the gym train into putting their head on the inside? I don't think sanshou has a specific rule against it. There's this foul: "Utilizing throwing/wrestling techniques which force the opponent to land on his or her head, or deliberately smashing down the opponent." But anyone executing a defense to a takedown could justify it was not forcing it. Totally makes sense to put the burden on the attacker. That said, a single leg where you just leverage them by the caught kicking leg while your head is away from their chest is an extremely common sanshou takedown. First example I could find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nCgNTByiE&t=124s 2:20 shows a variation where the catcher knows he can't swing the kicker by his leg so chains that into a trip from the other side.
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kimbo305 posted:Does the competition rule mean that people at the gym train into putting their head on the inside? Yuns fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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e: ok, here's an explicit counter to a diving head outside takedown: "head snap and lift leg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnDt7gbUCxY&t=313s Could easily spike attacker on the head.
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Yuns posted:The best approach to a single (for purposes of BJJ) is enter with your head on the inside. There are a number of reasons why this is preferable. quote:Your head only pops to the outside momentarily when you "run the pipe" to take them down off the single. I'l try to gif one if I can find cleaner video of it. e: https://i.imgur.com/jdgn7Sf.mp4 kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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So I've been working out at my fiancée's boxing gym for the last two weeks, and that has been good for getting fitness up. Today I had my first day beating up other guys with sticks in many years, and it didn't kill me nearly as bad as I thought it would. Training is good!
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So this finally happened: https://www.bjjee.com/bjj-news/watch-female-mma-pro-vs-internet-troll-kristopher-zylinski/ She got him with an armbar. "I was able to dominate until my condition gave out"  edit: I cant believe this guy was winded 2 minutes into it. He is incredibly out of shape. Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Who's Kristopher Zylinski and what name does he post here under?
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:So this finally happened: I suspect that he's not 100% untrained. I roll with many many big, athletic white belts and he has far better grappling instincts than most, so he has probably taken a few jiu jitsu classes at least.
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CommonShore posted:I suspect that he's not 100% untrained. I roll with many many big, athletic white belts and he has far better grappling instincts than most, so he has probably taken a few jiu jitsu classes at least. He mentions that he watches jiu jitsu videos on like youtube or whatever. His problem is not being able to hang in the fight with his cardio. I will do 10, 20 minute long rolls in the gym to the point where I am so physically exhausted that I can barely move. Thats part of training and its the part I dont think he gets and is ultimately the reason he taps. His argument was very centered around size and strength, while at the same time ignoring technique and cardio.
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His striking is pretty bad, guard too low, kicks arent fluid. He has good instincts wrt grappling, I didn't see him do anything super super stupid, which is better than a lot of people who come in off the streets only looking at UFC or youtube. She flubbed the crap out of the single leg attempt/made a really lazy attempt at a single and he jumped on it and took her back. If he had any more experience he could have easily produced a credible RNC attempt out of it. Other than that he appears to be doing strong new guy jiu jitsu and over exerts himself because of it.
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Defenestrategy posted:His striking is pretty bad, guard too low, kicks arent fluid. This is the problem with people who only learn to grapple with BJJ, they have no mean poo poo they can pull out in a grudge match like a power double or riding a shinlock for 10 minutes until the other guy's calf looks like a rotten banana.
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Yeah gently caress that guy.
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:I will do 10, 20 minute long rolls in the gym to the point where I am so physically exhausted that I can barely move. You roll for 3 hours at a time?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:This is the problem with people who only learn to grapple with BJJ, they have no mean poo poo they can pull out in a grudge match like a power double or riding a shinlock for 10 minutes until the other guy's calf looks like a rotten banana. I almost knee jerked disagree'd but as I thought about it the only super mean crap I know I learned from my time doing Catch Wrasslin', the only mean poo poo I learned in BJJ is "Don't do this or you will injure the absolute crap out of the other guy" stuff.
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He gave up before she even put any pressure on his arm..he knew exactly what was about to happen...and yet he still can't fully admit that he was wrong.
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Anyone who has ever trained knew this would turn out one of two ways, anyway, with him either getting clowned or exposed as a weirdo sandbagger. Tara La Rosa didn't look great, but she also looked like she was only going 50% (meaning, fighting without any kind of urgency).
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Troll guy for sure has taken some classes before. Apparently Tara Larosa has been grappling competitively for over 15 years, so I kinda expect way better than what she showed.
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JaySB posted:You roll for 3 hours at a time? We roll for approximately 30 minutes (switching between partners at the 6 minute mark) during class and then some of us stay after class and I have had rolls go between 10 minutes and 20 minutes long with 1 person. I'm dead after that... Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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That was really interesting and I'm glad the guy got clowned. She looked like she was being gentle and doing it in good spirits.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:riding a shinlock for 10 minutes until the other guy's calf looks like a rotten banana. You mentioned you liked doing shinlocks and I know nothing about them besides I believe Josh Barnett using one during one of his metamoris matches. Is there a good video on positions or concepts on the subject?
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Was it supposed to be a full-contact match up? Seems risky for someone who does this as their job to risk injury.
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Neon Belly posted:Was it supposed to be a full-contact match up? Seems risky for someone who does this as their job to risk injury. I assumed no elbows, but can't really trust an internet rando. Looked like "if you escalate, I escalate" intensity.
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Odddzy posted:You mentioned you liked doing shinlocks and I know nothing about them besides I believe Josh Barnett using one during one of his metamoris matches. Is there a good video on positions or concepts on the subject? Come back to NY and I'll give you a lesson  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVhJRHQDsyE This is the basic idea, you want to be on the inside of their shinbone. I tend to use my knee or shin for it while pinning their leg to the mat more than my elbows, as a part of my passing game and also to punish people who sit in guard as a matter of principle.
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As an aside, I've had a couple different black and brown belts come up to me when I've used a shinlock to tell me it's not a real submission and that while it's painful, you won't break someone's leg or cause injury with it and I should try something else. Which pisses me off, because it absolutely can cause serious damage and if you're telling basically telling your guys not to tap to a sub because it isn't "real" then you're going to get them hurt. But I can't exactly yell at a black belt while I'm wearing a white belt so I usually just shrug.
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Thanks man, I'll definitely come over next time I pay a visit once the knee is back on track (meniscus and calf elongation apparently according to the physio). I remember Josh Barnett using them like you, leg on calf to pass. As much as I like BJJ, I've really started to take a liking to cross training.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Come back to NY and I'll give you a lesson I saw this in a seminar once with some of the black belts from Paulista De Jiu Jitsu Sao Paulo came up and showed this. They showed catching both shins when they got your back. Then he demonstrated it on me and holy gently caress does that hurt.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:As an aside, I've had a couple different black and brown belts come up to me when I've used a shinlock to tell me it's not a real submission and that while it's painful, you won't break someone's leg or cause injury with it and I should try something else. That's "SLICERZ DONT ACTUALLY INJURE PEOPLE" level of dumb. You can absolutely fracture or break their femur with a properly executed shin lock if you're heavy and strong enough at worst or at least cause a distracting amount of bruising to make your opponent less effective in a fight. quote:But I can't exactly yell at a black belt while I'm wearing a white belt so I usually just shrug. I thought you and Yunz where the most experienced of the SA grapple squad?
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ImplicitAssembler posted:He gave up before she even put any pressure on his arm..he knew exactly what was about to happen...and yet he still can't fully admit that he was wrong. IDK if everyone watched the whole thing, but @ around 10:40 timestamp the guy taps to... nothing? He just says "I'm dead" and taps. I missed this the first time trying to just fwd to the end and saw the armbar. This dude literally tapped to getting tired after all that poo poo talking, what tool. They did seem to have fun with it so that's cool.
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Defenestrategy posted:I thought you and Yunz where the most experienced of the SA grapple squad? Can be an experienced grappler who has never put on a gi
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JaySB posted:Can be an experienced grappler who has never put on a gi I just assumed Hug choke man game recognized hug choke man game, illegal moves aside. Not sayin' you shoot up straight to a black belt just because you're super experienced in no-gi or some other hug man sport, but if Josh Barnett* had told me something about leg locks and I was a BJJ black belt I'd have at least considered the advice/knowledge. *Yes I know he's a Rigan black belt through Paulson, but the dude very rarely puts on the gi.
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JaySB posted:Can be an experienced grappler who has never put on a gi Sambo has jackets too. I think it's more that I crosstrain at a BJJ club that has like 30-person classes and none of the coaches really know me at all. I'm honestly not sure how you're supposed to get belt promotions there.
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