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Thread favorite Onogrim the Warrior wrote his epics on birch bark paper. If you've got forests of them and are cutting them down anyway...
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Jan 15, 2018 04:36
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If wax was easily available that makes me wonder what ancient beekeeping was like
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Jan 15, 2018 04:46
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cheetah7071 posted:If wax was easily available that makes me wonder what ancient beekeeping was like There's slaves for that.
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Jan 15, 2018 04:51
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cheetah7071 posted:If wax was easily available that makes me wonder what ancient beekeeping was like Quite valuable and respected actually. You can just burn poo poo for smoke if you needed to calm the bees down, there wasnt some kind of beestung caste
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Jan 15, 2018 06:00
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How would you say yes (the interjection) in Latin? Is it attested that people nodded or hummed as an expression of assent, or was it all id est, etiam cursus, ita vero, sermo..
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Jan 15, 2018 09:24
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sullat posted:Thread favorite Onogrim the Warrior wrote his epics on birch bark paper. If you've got forests of them and are cutting them down anyway... Birch bark is insanely flammable, though. I wonder how well it keeps over time? I could imagine it responding poorly to humidity as well.
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Jan 15, 2018 15:35
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CountFosco posted:Birch bark is insanely flammable, though. I wonder how well it keeps over time? I could imagine it responding poorly to humidity as well. Same with modern paper. It didn't keep well, that's for sure, the only bits we have saved are the ones that got dumped in a peat bog or something.
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Jan 15, 2018 16:25
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CountFosco posted:Birch bark is insanely flammable, though. I wonder how well it keeps over time? I could imagine it responding poorly to humidity as well. The big birchbark corpus that we have is due to the soil conditions around Novgorod being uniquely favorable to its preservation iirc. I imagine if you let that poo poo dry out for centuries it will just flake apart into dust.
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Jan 15, 2018 16:31
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Birch bark crumbles into dust really quickly once it has been separated from the pulp into sheets. The thinner it gets, the faster it goes. Source: I have a cabin heated by birch logs.
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Jan 15, 2018 16:48
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Mr Havafap posted:Is it attested that people nodded or hummed as an expression of assent, or was it all id est, etiam cursus, ita vero, sermo.. yes, cf. the verb "adnuere" which means "to nod in approval."
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Jan 15, 2018 19:52
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Zombie Dachshund posted:yes, cf. the verb "adnuere" which means "to nod in approval."
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Jan 15, 2018 19:55
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sullat posted:Same with modern paper. It didn't keep well, that's for sure, the only bits we have saved are the ones that got dumped in a peat bog or something. Much like papyrus birchbark can also survive in very dry conditions as well as bogs. I think the oldest examples of birch paper are actually documents like the Bower Manuscript from places like Xinjiang in the deserts of central Asia. Interestingly the Birch bark in the Bower Manuscript was processed to resemble or at least using the same techniques of the palm frond manuscripts of South Asia. Unfortunately Palm fronds also have a very short shelf life in humid tropical or subtropical conditions and that is probably why so few historical records have survived from the classical era in the region.
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Jan 15, 2018 20:56
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Mr Havafap posted:How would you say yes (the interjection) in Latin? I was taught to repeat the verb in response, sum in response to esne, etc.
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Jan 16, 2018 00:24
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Did people use coal as a fuel source in antiquity?
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Jan 16, 2018 21:46
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Did people use coal as a fuel source in antiquity? Yes, but your average joe would probably not have used it to warm his house because it is so useful for metalworking.
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Jan 16, 2018 22:13
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skasion posted:Yes, but your average joe would probably not have used it to warm his house because it is so useful for metalworking. Do you have a source for this? I don't remember ever reading about coal being used in Europe that long ago. Crude oil did get a small amount of use in areas where it would literally just bubble up in pools. Natural gas was used a little in China but I don't know of any use in Europe.
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Jan 17, 2018 11:26
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Grand Fromage posted:Do you have a source for this? I don't remember ever reading about coal being used in Europe that long ago. https://books.google.com/books?id=f...0mining&f=false for a random example. British writers have done a good bit of work on it seemingly, I don’t know if anyone has ever looked at the history of coalfields on the continent.
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Jan 17, 2018 13:42
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Huh! I didn't know they used coal either. I always took extraneous mention to mean "charcoal", but it looks like they mined the real thing quite a bit. Learned something new, thank you.
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Jan 17, 2018 18:14
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Mr Havafap posted:How would you say yes (the interjection) in Latin? I've also heard people would just use the word "hui" in spoken informal conversation, which sounds a little bit like the French "oui". My source for that was a text but I forgot the author. He wrote a story about being accosted in the forum Romanum by a fan of his poetry, if anyone has any idea what I'm talking about? Anyway in that story they do use the word "hui".
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Jan 19, 2018 16:35
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Deltasquid posted:I've also heard people would just use the word "hui" in spoken informal conversation, which sounds a little bit like the French "oui". My source for that was a text but I forgot the author. He wrote a story about being accosted in the forum Romanum by a fan of his poetry, if anyone has any idea what I'm talking about? Anyway in that story they do use the word "hui".
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Jan 19, 2018 20:32
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HEY GUNS posted:by the time of Abelard, it's "sic" I've heard it as sic for classical Latin too. No coincidence one sounds like French and the other Spanish/Italian of course.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:20
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feedmegin posted:No coincidence one sounds like French ... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oui#Etymology
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Jan 19, 2018 21:32
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HEY GUNS posted:actually it is That depends on why Deltasquid's (vulgar?) Romans said hui I guess. I could see it deriving from hoc.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:55
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feedmegin posted:(vulgar?) Romans
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Jan 19, 2018 21:56
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HEY GUNS posted:many romans were vulgar Pedicabo et irrumabo te &c. Edit: umm not literally! feedmegin fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 19, 2018 21:57
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Not quite what you asked, but I've had a couple colleagues mention that the most common was to repeat the verb as an affirmation. So, something like, "Habesne vinum?" would be answered with, "Habeo." I don't recall their sources though.
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Jan 20, 2018 02:48
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feedmegin posted:Pedicabo et irrumabo te &c. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 20, 2018 02:50
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Doesn't using unrefined coal for metalworking leave you with sulfur contamination in your iron?
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Jan 20, 2018 02:51
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The Lone Badger posted:Doesn't using unrefined coal for metalworking leave you with sulfur contamination in your iron? That would depend entirely on what variety of coal you were using, and a lot of the levels of sulfur wouldn't matter much. Some major deposits of coal types that are very low sulfur such as anthracite are widely present in modern Wales and Russia/Ukraine as far as European use goes for example.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:10
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Someone please recommend me a couple books on the history of the Islamic Caliphates.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:16
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Someone please recommend me a couple books on the history of the Islamic Caliphates. God’s Crucible is pretty good if you are looking to read about he Caliphates in al-Andalus
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Jan 20, 2018 03:18
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Fell Fire posted:Not quite what you asked, but I've had a couple colleagues mention that the most common was to repeat the verb as an affirmation. So, something like, "Habesne vinum?" would be answered with, "Habeo." This is the way affirmitives work in Chinese as well. If you say "yes" to everything you sound like you're a junior officer talking to his superior.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:30
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Someone please recommend me a couple books on the history of the Islamic Caliphates. The Caliph's Splendor. Never finished it, though.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:32
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Arglebargle III posted:This is the way affirmitives work in Chinese as well. If you say "yes" to everything you sound like you're a junior officer talking to his superior. Also Irish English to the point of stereotype and YouTube videos.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:50
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ulmont posted:Also Irish English to the point of stereotype and YouTube videos.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:55
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feedmegin posted:Pedicabo et irrumabo te &c. Speaking of which, found this paper recently, which discusses the implications of that particular phrasing: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/694095 Probably the only academic paper I can think of that references "ATM"
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Jan 20, 2018 06:08
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HEY GUNS posted:that's because irish gaelic has no word that directly translates as "yes" What for real?
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Jan 20, 2018 11:55
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Syncopated posted:What for real? The Irish Gaelic word for yes is “tá”. It doesn’t mean strictly “yes” however, it means “is”. “Is he doing such and so?” “Is”, or in Irish English more likely “He is”. Plenty of languages work like this — I know Finnish tends to answer yes-no questions by echoing the verb though it also has yes and no, and Mandarin is in a similar situation to Irish (this is the source behind Darth Vader’s famous “DO NOT WAAAAANT” in Backstroke of the West, it wouldn’t be appropriate to the context to have him say “bu shi” or “no”/“is not” because he isn’t responding in the negative to a question Sheev is asking, he’s just kind of crying out against his situation in general, so they rendered it with another word for no, “bu yao”, or “not want”).
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Jan 20, 2018 13:41
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In Taiwanese Mandarin, you tend to hear "hao" 好 or "dui" 對 (or bu hao 不好 and bu dui 不對 when it's negative) for yes/no type questions and usually only hear "shi" 是 (it is) when that's the verb used in the question. Hao translates roughly to "good" or "ok" and dui to "correct". So if someone asked me, "You like to eat stinky tofu, right?" I'd respond with "bu dui". Or if someone asked me if I wanted to go get some sweet and sour pork, I'd probably be 50/50 on saying "yao" 要 (I want to) or "hao" (ok). But if they asked, "Is that the man who stole your goat?" I'd reply back "shi" (it is). Chinese has two different ways to ask a yes/no question. The first is simply to state something and then to say "ma" 嗎 at the end which turns it into a question. The other way is to change the verb to "verb not verb". So if I wanted to ask, "Do you have an umbrella?" the sentence would look like "You have not have an umbrella?" (你有沒有雨傘?) Or if I wanted to check someone's preference, I could ask, "You like not like Taiwanese beer?" (你喜不喜歡臺灣啤酒?) In these forms, you usually expect them to reply back with either "verb" or "not verb" depending on if they're affirming or not.
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skasion posted:I know Finnish tends to answer yes-no questions by echoing the verb though it also has yes and no
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