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Ron Jeremy posted:The bigger risk is sea level rise to the Central Valley right? The delta and Stockton turning into the bay? modesto? destroyed? please don't get my hopes up
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Ron Jeremy posted:The bigger risk is sea level rise to the Central Valley right? The delta and Stockton turning into the bay? Ssoooort of, yeah. Low-lying coastal areas are at risk with fairly modest rises in sea level because sea level is an average, and when storms occur at high tide, you get temporary inundation that can ruin cropland, destroy coastal buildings, etc. However, the inland bay is largely protected from storm surges, and also a lot of the environments around the bay are already adapted to brackish water conditions. So then the danger is just that with a higher water level in the bay during a storm, rivers feeding the bay flow more slowly and get backed up more easily. Heavy rainfall inland during a storm that also raises the water level in the Bay = major flooding risk. This can (and already is) managed with flood controls, specifically, the extensive levee system on the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. The city of Stockton is at 13' above sea level; I doubt it's at serious risk of destruction or permanently being turned into part of the Bay during the 21st century, even under the {edit: realistic} worst case scenarios. But I bet there's already lots of studies showing that it's going to become increasingly expensive to cope with floods during the 21st century everywhere in CA that is both low-lying, and adjacent to a major waterway. Such as: http://www.climatecentral.org/pdfs/SLR-CA-SS-PressRelease.pdf Which confirms that stockton and sacramento are at significant risk, specifically of their existing levee systems being overwhelmed during storms. quote:Using historic local flood statistics plus rapid local sea level rise projections from the National
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Leperflesh posted:storms You lost me. What is a storm?
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Dirk the Average posted:You lost me. What is a storm? The new conspiracy theory that PizzaGaters have moved onto
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Its really crazy to think one weather event could do this 
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Skyscraper posted:I'm legitimately surprised that friend Binaryjunky has gone since 2004 without doing something to get perma'd drat this guy seems badical as h*ck
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Jan 19, 2018 06:11
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a Big Dog tshirt where the cool dog has his arms crossed and saying Listen Toots I Post Where I Want and You Can Take That to the Bank
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Jan 19, 2018 06:12
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Leperflesh posted:Ssoooort of, yeah. Low-lying coastal areas are at risk with fairly modest rises in sea level because sea level is an average, and when storms occur at high tide, you get temporary inundation that can ruin cropland, destroy coastal buildings, etc. Exactly. The Central Valley won’t be undersea, but it will have aggravated flooding problems. Before it was settled the Sacramento would flood extensively once in a while, and take months to recede from the floodplain. When settlers came they found a nice flat, fertile area with a river for water supply to build towns and cities. They found out shortly after that it floods so everyone started building their own personal levees and wound up flooding their neighbors. Then all the Gold Rush mining debris clogged the channelized rivers so between levee building, the debris, and overpumping of groundwater, there are a plenty of spots in the Central Valley where the rivers are built up above the surrounding land.
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Jan 19, 2018 06:19
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Trabisnikof posted:Its really crazy to think one weather event could do this It's already happened before. The Sacramento and San Joaquin valleys were completely inundated, water got as deep as 30ft in the Central Valley, LA was basically turned into a marsh by 28 straight days of rain, and the area around San Diego actually saw changes to the geography because it flooded so much it created a new river that started cutting into the mountains. The Civil War was kind of going on at the time though, and the state's telegraph infrastructure was functionally destroyed by the flooding so the news didn't really propagate until a while after it happened and so it didn't sink in to the wider national history in the way you would think a megastorm of that magnitude would.
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Almost the entire SJ Valley used to be huge lakes, marshes, and wetlands, with grasslands along the foothills. Tulare Lake was almost 700 square miles in 1879. That's more than 3.5x the size of Tahoe. Now, thanks to diverting water sources for cities and agriculture, it's a dry lakebed and the entire SJ Valley is dry grasslands.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Almost the entire SJ Valley used to be huge lakes, marshes, and wetlands, with grasslands along the foothills. Tulare Lake was almost 700 square miles in 1879. That's more than 3.5x the size of Tahoe. Now, thanks to diverting water sources for cities and agriculture, it's a dry lakebed and the entire SJ Valley is dry grasslands.  
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Jan 19, 2018 07:42
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Yeah, we're not going to flood, we're sinking straight into Hell. It's why there's all the fires and stuff.
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Panfilo posted:
The California of 200 years ago would be basically unrecognizable to anyone from today. We have done insane amounts of damage. It used to be a pretty wet place, aside from the actual deserts. Maybe in another 20-50 years, most of the Central Valley will look like Death Valley.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:The California of 200 years ago would be basically unrecognizable to anyone from today. We have done insane amounts of damage. It used to be a pretty wet place, aside from the actual deserts. Maybe in another 20-50 years, most of the Central Valley will look like Death Valley. poo poo most of the grasses aren't even native now. It's an entirely different country.
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As the valley dries out, more regions become inhospitable to California black oaks and the biome they support. Black oaks will retreat north and chaparral grassland will advance in its place. Chaparral is resilient, but it's fire-prone and has poor soil health. It's also the last stand against a region finally turning into desert. Thankfully, effects from climate change will fix that. The ridiculously resilient ridge and the expansion of the Hadley cell will turn those regions arid. Which is to say California may be trying to prepare for climate change but god drat have they been stacking the deck against themselves for the past 200 years. Once winters get warm enough to disrupt spring snowmelt runoff rates (it all melts in the winter lol), better hope desalination is working at scale. Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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paranoid randroid posted:a Big Dog tshirt where the cool dog has his arms crossed and saying Listen Toots I Post Where I Want and You Can Take That to the Bank binaryjunky is the real da share z0ne?
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Tuxedo Gin posted:The California of 200 years ago would be basically unrecognizable to anyone from today. We have done insane amounts of damage. It used to be a pretty wet place, aside from the actual deserts. Maybe in another 20-50 years, most of the Central Valley will look like Death Valley. Don't worry man they got this solved. Delta bypass, followed by diverting the Klamath into the Sacramento Valley. If that doesn't work the next step is diverting the columbia south. It sounds crazy but it probably going to happen.
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https://twitter.com/cbloggy/status/954520310023254016 I don't know much about this story, but it does seem Pretty Bad™
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I'm waiting for Laguna Beach to get reclaimed by the sea and purged by Poseidon, but hopefully not before I figure out where the cops buried the brotherhood of eternal love's acid doses after that big infamous canyon party. Otherwise I'll need scuba gear. Laguna Hills could be prime loving property one day. New Laguna Beach. Plus God should probably destroy Laguna Beach already, letting the ocean have its collection of art galleries with paintings of Republican presidents and/or dogs playing poker.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:As the valley dries out, more regions become inhospitable to California black oaks and the biome they support. Black oaks will retreat north and chaparral grassland will advance in its place. Chaparral is resilient, but it's fire-prone and has poor soil health. It's also the last stand against a region finally turning into desert. There’s a fellow from Australia by the name of Geoff Lawton who has done work with permaculture and greening the desert. We have methods of reversing desertification. We talk about terraforming Mars, we need to terraform Earth and convert more desert into greenery. Coredump fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Coredump posted:There’s a fellow from Australia by the name of Geoff Lawton who has done work with permaculture and re-greening the desert. We have methods of reversing desertification. We talk about terraforming Mars, we need to terraform Earth and convert more desert into greenery. Yeah, carbon capture and storage technology is basically all fairytale bullshit. We have great technology for it already: Increasing biomass. We just have to bother to do it. California will be an interesting region for human-assisted biome adaptation over the 21st century.
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The other part is there is some worry of where do you fit low skill workers into our society, especially as automation comes over the horizon. Well these low skilled workers could potentially be the ones to save our asses by providing the man power to do these sorts of re-greening projects.
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Sydin posted:It's already happened before. The Sacramento and San Joaquin valleys were completely inundated, water got as deep as 30ft in the Central Valley, LA was basically turned into a marsh by 28 straight days of rain, and the area around San Diego actually saw changes to the geography because it flooded so much it created a new river that started cutting into the mountains. California has a fairly major homelessness problem on a massive scale and storms of this size do nothing to alleviate that
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And that homelessness problem is going to keep growing as more and more people move here and take jobs and houses. That's not saying that the homeless wouldn't be homeless otherwise, but it certainly isn't helping matters.
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The Santa Barbara and Ventura shelters had complications associated with large numbers of homeless people checking into the emergency overnight shelters. They aren't proper homeless shelters, they're temporary shelters for people unable to return to their households. I don't have any information about why the SB shelter had to close early but the newspaper offers some speculation about it relating to an individual upset that he couldn't smoke pot in the shelter leading to an altercation with a school administrator. Edit: Oh yeah, the 101 opened back up today.
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To be fair, if your neighborhood burned down you should be allowed to smoke pot at the shelter - though outside.
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The Red Cross doesn't own standing shelter sites. We use places like churches, schools, fairgrounds. Places that have their own rules and that serve their own populations. After all, colleges and schools don't shut down just because the gym is being used as a shelter.
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RandomPauI posted:The Red Cross doesn't own standing shelter sites. We use places like churches, schools, fairgrounds. Places that have their own rules and that serve their own populations. After all, colleges and schools don't shut down just because the gym is being used as a shelter. So I can't smoke weed even if a fifth grader takes pity on my situation and shares his?
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Tuxedo Gin posted:So I can't smoke weed even if a fifth grader takes pity on my situation and shares his? Maybe if it's a Montessori, but you'll need to be 20 feet away from the shelter proper.
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Yeah Red Cross logistics are weird. My sister works for them and tells me all kinds of horror stories. When she got deployed to Sacramento last year for the fires, they set up the shelter in a fair grounds that kept forcing them to shuffle where they were parking the emergency response vehicles because they were interfering with the weekly car show. Also the shelter itself was setup in a building with an OTB place that did not shut down while it was being used as a shelter, so when you walked in it was half RC employees and people living at the shelter, and half people betting on horses.
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During the Thomas Fire we started with one building at the fairgrounds. Then we took over another because the first building reached capacity. But the fairgrounds were also the staging grounds for the firefighters. So when the Emergency Operations Center brought in the penal firefighters we we're ordered to move to a bigger, uninsulated building further from everything for security reasons. It wasn't an ideal situation.
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Neither is penal firefighting. 
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Neither is penal firefighting. You see, they're not slaves because they get slightly better conditions than other penal workers and thus chose it.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Neither is penal firefighting. That just seems really inefficient. I mean, you're getting what, half a liter per person per day, with an extremely short deployment range? Surely there's a better way to do things.
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Jaxyon posted:You see, they're not slaves because they get slightly better conditions than other penal workers and thus chose it. They are slaves, but the thirteenth amendment specifically allows for enslaving convicted criminals, so 
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CPColin posted:They are slaves, but the thirteenth amendment specifically allows for enslaving convicted criminals, so Oh they're 100% slaves but you'd be amazed on the amount of hair splitting people will do to say they're not.
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Most people would argue that slavery is more than they deserve. The average American's opinions on criminal "justice" are loving disgusting.
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The average American's opinions are loving disgusting period. The world hates us for a reason.
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America: Turns out we are, in fact, the world's evil end boss
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