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He also said "we diverged from Lobsters about 350 million years ago and have a common ancestor" and uses it to argue that, because of this, there is no argument for not having a strictly hierarchical view of the world. I don't quite get how the presenter didn't end up saying "Your appealing to nature in a different species, why the gently caress should I take you in the least bit seriously?"
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Jan 21, 2018 13:14
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consider the audiences tho, like did he win the debate in the eyes of 50 year old sons of East India colonels, digesting their supper on the couch? ... never mind
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Jan 21, 2018 13:19
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Pook Good Mook posted:America is the 3rd or 4th largest (depending on measurement method) country in the world and unlike the countries that are largest (Russia, Canada, China), almost all of the US is already developed or easily can be so the population is incredibly spread out. There's a valid argument that it probably isn't a great thing that the country developed the way it did, but public transportation just isn't feasible in a good portion of America, even if there was political and financial will to do it. i agree with you that america currently can't support public transit, due to a legacy of incredibly poor decisions in terms of urban planning (frequently motivated by greed and racism) my point is, what if we stopped doing the stupid thing, and did the smart thing instead. how wonderful would that be saying "america is too spread out for mass transit" is the same as saying "america is too entrenched in for-profit health insurance to support single payer". like, yeah, that's an observation of fact, but what if we started taking the steps to correct this bad outcome
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Jan 21, 2018 16:52
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boner confessor posted:
lol have you even met america
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Jan 21, 2018 16:55
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Pook Good Mook posted:almost all of the US is already developed or easily can be About 100% of the USA is undeveloped.
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Jan 21, 2018 16:58
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Josef bugman posted:He also said "we diverged from Lobsters about 350 million years ago and have a common ancestor" and uses it to argue that, because of this, there is no argument for not having a strictly hierarchical view of the world. No, he didn't. You're doing exactly what the interviewer was doing: willfully mischaracterizing his statements and then attacking the strawman you just created. Here's the link to the lobster part of the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54&t=1556s What he said isn't "Because lobsters there's no argument for not having a strictly hierarchical view of the world." What he said is "The idea that heirarchical structures are a social construct of Western patriarchy is wrong. Evolutionary biology shows that neurological structures chemistry arose at a early evolutionary level to recognize and struggle for position and status within a hierarchy." It's a descriptive statement, not a proscriptive one.
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Jan 21, 2018 17:29
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Jerry Cotton posted:About 100% of the USA is undeveloped. ....did you miss the "easily can be"?
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Jan 21, 2018 17:45
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Pook Good Mook posted:....did you miss the "easily can be"? Yah that's not true either unless you want to develop something with no access to water.
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Jan 21, 2018 17:50
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Jerry Cotton posted:Yah that's not true either unless you want to develop something with no access to water. Certainly isn't stopping the American West and Southwest.
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Jan 21, 2018 17:59
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Phanatic posted:No, he didn't. You're doing exactly what the interviewer was doing: willfully mischaracterizing his statements and then attacking the strawman you just created. Oh wow, I thought your avatar was ironic.
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Jan 21, 2018 18:06
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Glazier posted:Oh wow, I thought your avatar was ironic. Yes, facts only matter if they support the correct viewpoint.
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Jan 21, 2018 18:10
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Phanatic posted:What he said isn't "Because lobsters there's no argument for not having a strictly hierarchical view of the world." What he said is "The idea that heirarchical structures are a social construct of Western patriarchy is wrong. Evolutionary biology shows that neurological structures chemistry arose at a early evolutionary level to recognize and struggle for position and status within a hierarchy." It's a descriptive statement, not a proscriptive one. I confess I have read a fair amount of Peterson's work in the before now and because of it I have difficulty not thinking he's a arsehole straight out of the gate. I sincerely doubt that even the most committed Marxist or even Anarchist would say that "hierarchy" is the creation of the Western Patriarchy. However those things do still exist and are, for the most part, shite things that shouldn't if we are going to be moral people. Just because something is natural does not make it good and later on in the interview he attempts to say that because of  we can change some things but we have to do things in a certain way and "Biologically it sets the rule of the game". He is asserting that the way things work is a "natural" set up. I would personally argue that this is an appeal to nature fallacy, it is him asserting that "biology makes the rules, not me" to justify the current state of the hierarchies that we have. It does not help that we associate "naturalness" with "goodness" but that is a weakness in our own language. Nuevo posted:Yes, facts only matter if they support the correct viewpoint. It depends on what the "facts" are. Too many people say things like "bonobos are so lovely, they just have sex to solve things" which doesn't understand the fact that most of the bonobos they are loving are related to each other. It's like saying "black people commit more crime than white people!" and then you look into the stats and find out that the amount of crime is about the same and it is just that black people get arrested more. The three seconds worth of digging changes the entire fact. Josef bugman has a new favorite as of 18:34 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 18:24
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If I'm not arrested for it, it's not a crime. 
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Jan 21, 2018 19:43
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https://i.imgur.com/7PQYZbK.mp4
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Jan 21, 2018 19:57
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Josef bugman posted:It depends on what the "facts" are. Too many people say things like "bonobos are so lovely, they just have sex to solve things" which doesn't understand the fact that most of the bonobos they are loving are related to each other. It's like saying "black people commit more crime than white people!" and then you look into the stats and find out that the amount of crime is about the same and it is just that black people get arrested more. The three seconds worth of digging changes the entire fact. not an empty quote before edit
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Jan 21, 2018 20:32
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Jan 21, 2018 20:35
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goatsestretchgoals posted:not an empty quote before edit Sorry, I am not good at arguing. Did I make a mistake? I was saying that people asserting "more crime is committed by black people" are Wrong because ultimately the only difference really is in arresting. C.f. Marijuana possession as the most obvious rejoinder. Did I write something down wrong! I am really sorry if I did so!
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Jan 21, 2018 20:42
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What a maroon.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:02
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That seems like a great way to break your knees. Or, you know, die.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:04
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I watched this gif very carefully...I only allowed myself to see the tops of his shoes at first. I expected it to end just like that other one.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:14
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Cage posted:I watched this gif very carefully...I only allowed myself to see the tops of his shoes at first. I expected it to end just like that other one.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:32
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https://i.imgur.com/UnwKLh3.gifv
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Jan 21, 2018 21:35
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Ths Schad is on the poor gym employee who has to put all those plates back because there's no way this idiot did it himself.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:43
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Putting 1750lbs of stress on your knees, happy new year resolution.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:53
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Counted down 3... 2.... 1.... in my head and was dead-on.
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Jan 21, 2018 21:59
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FuhrerHat posted:Putting 1750lbs of stress on your knees, happy new year resolution. well tbf it's like a 30 degree incline so it's more like half that weight. 
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Jan 21, 2018 22:02
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Jan 21, 2018 22:28
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So a dipshit in a pepe hoodie got caught planting "it's ok to be white" stickers at a women's march and surprise surprise https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/status/955172863211966464
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Jan 21, 2018 22:32
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Why does the ice extend past the pool, was it converted into a skating rink and they just didn't wait long enough?
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Jan 21, 2018 22:35
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AlmightyBob posted:So a dipshit in a pepe hoodie got caught planting "it's ok to be white" stickers at a women's march and surprise surprise It doesn't show in those pics but for those who don't want to read the twitter thread the charge was possession of child porn.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:41
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https://twitter.com/HonoredSpirit/status/955173779751227392 Beaten but yeah.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:50
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Garrand posted:It doesn't show in those pics but for those who don't want to read the twitter thread the charge was possession of child porn. Also, since he's a sex offender his home address is public record. Stirring up poo poo when you're on the registry is a pretty stupid thing to do. I also wonder how that makerspace is going to feel about getting tied up with him in this light.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:03
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Double-beaten but: http://iaicac.org/news/Pages/news-20100525.aspx On May 7, 2007, a state search warrant was served at an Iowa City residence pursuant to a gambling investigation. Numerous items were seized including a computer tower and flash drive. Koch later pled guilty to state charges for illegal gambling and violation of state drug tax stamp. Pursuant to a request to dispose of seized property in January 2008, state agents found child pornography on a flash drive seized out of Koch's residence in May 2007. Later forensic examination by the Iowa Crimes Against Children (ICAC) task force discovered over a hundred images of child pornography on both the seized flash drive and a seized computer tower. On December 12, 2008, a federal charges was filed for possession of child pornography. After a bench trial, Koch was found guilty on July 6, 2009. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1545219.html Tl;DR Hey, we're going to give him computer back, better make sure it doesn't contain "records or materials related to his illegal gambling operation" on it. Woah, look at all this child porn!
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Jan 21, 2018 23:20
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Cage posted:I watched this gif very carefully...I only allowed myself to see the tops of his shoes at first. I expected it to end just like that other one. Glad to see I'm not the only one scarred for life. I viewed it exactly the same way 
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Jan 21, 2018 23:31
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I'm kinda taking joy in the fact that this person, who is an idiot, looked at the entire situation and figured 'yeah, nope, this is a bad thing and I shouldn't do it.' That, or the weight has now busted the machine completely and he was unable to do it and possibly should pay for a new machine. Away all Goats posted:Ths Schad is on the poor gym employee who has to put all those plates back because there's no way this idiot did it himself. I imagine this is a case of 'cancel membership because you didn't pick up after yourself.' Cage posted:I watched this gif very carefully...I only allowed myself to see the tops of his shoes at first. I expected it to end just like that other one. ....I'm half tempted to watch this. But nah, I think I'm good.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:48
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:I'm kinda taking joy in the fact that this person, who is an idiot, looked at the entire situation and figured 'yeah, nope, this is a bad thing and I shouldn't do it.' That, or the weight has now busted the machine completely and he was unable to do it and possibly should pay for a new machine. I think you're mistaken. The guy did exactly what he was planning to (a couple little tiny 2mm pushes; if you count he actually does 5, which is likely what he "planned"). He's clearly an idiot that didn't consider how precarious the stack of weights were (look at him pushing on them as he sits down and grabbing the handle when he gets up. I doubt he'd have done that if he was concerned about the stack).
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Jan 22, 2018 00:01
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The YouTube comments under that interview were a gold mine for "I am 12 and very smart".
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Jan 22, 2018 00:29
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MisterOblivious posted:Woah, look at all this child porn! A million years ago when I was doing computer support I was installing software on computers at a clients. (Windows 98 machines for context). A guy had left a video on his desktop so I opened it while waiting at it was teenage boys loving. I freaked out and called the ceo of the client who called the cops. I then had the not envious job of scanning the proxy logs and found he spent a good 5 hours a day searching for child porn. I then had to show the video to detectives and attorneys over and over while they debated whether the people were underage (they were). I’m really happy that I’m 20 years that has never happened again, and I don’t envy forensic computer dudes one bit.
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Do not go through peoples files if it's not relevant to the task at hand. In highschool, a teacher brought his computer down to the techlab because something was all fuckered up. So I decided to do some file wandering because "Why not?" Turns out he had a hefty stash of grandma porn 
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