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It's okay, just include Belgium for once. Just give them 5% to gold generation and... I don't know. 5% to amenities. The kind of bonuses they deserve.
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Gain 4 amenities every time the Dutch denounce you
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Jan 20, 2018 18:28
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half your citizens don't understand the other half
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Jan 20, 2018 18:29
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Something something Belgium important to textiles in the late middle ages. So they'd have to be yet another trade-oriented civ, probably with a unique luxury.
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Jan 20, 2018 19:44
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Aerdan posted:Something something Belgium important to textiles in the late middle ages. So they'd have to be yet another trade-oriented civ, probably with a unique luxury. The Lowland nationalism being hilarious notwithstanding, Belgium's impact on the world was pretty big before the reformation - Antwerp was the most important city in Europe, seeing as how it was the biggest financial hub.
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Jan 20, 2018 19:52
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ok, then: good at chocolate and beer, bad at colonies Is anyone good at colonies? I feel like colonies is one of those areas where everyone is just irredeemably poo poo.
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Jan 20, 2018 22:33
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Is anyone good at colonies? I feel like colonies is one of those areas where everyone is just irredeemably poo poo. ... The ancient Greeks?
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Jan 21, 2018 01:07
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The history of Belgium stretches back at least five thousand years. The Proto-Indo-European language is actually derived from old Belgic. They built the Rhine.
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Beamed posted:The Lowland nationalism being hilarious notwithstanding, Belgium's impact on the world was pretty big before the reformation - Antwerp was the most important city in Europe, seeing as how it was the biggest financial hub. Germany is already in the game
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A few years ago I traveled to Hamburg from Barcelona by bus. The bus made several stops now and then but I slept my way through most of France and Belgium. By morning I woke up at a gas station in Maastricht and the first thing I saw was gently caress LES BELGES sprayed on a side of the building. There, that's my Belgium story.
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Jan 21, 2018 02:30
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all things considered, the belgians were awesome at colonialism, it's just that colonialism is poo poo.
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jfood posted:all things considered, the belgians were awesome at colonialism, it's just that colonialism is poo poo. Says the poster with two hands.
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Shroud posted:Says the poster with two hands.  By the way, Mapuche would be really nice. There's only one single civ in South America and Europe is cluttered with a ton of them. Add the Inca and there'll be a nice geographical balance.
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Jan 21, 2018 07:20
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Deltasquid posted:Yes, they grouped them together with the Dutch from 1815 onwards. Belgians were so utterly revolted by this that they formed their own nation a mere fifteen years later. Not even the Spanish, French or Austrians could anger the Belgians as much as the Dutch did. And the Dutch couldn't even reconquer plucky little Belgium; volunteers dunked on the Dutch army so hard we made a nursery rhyme about it. And here i recall your little revolution being struck down so hard you had to beg the french for help. And look at your roads, you call this infrastructure??  Don’t worry though, as flanders has been begging for decades you are free to come back anytime! At least you are better than limburg
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Jan 21, 2018 09:08
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Davincie posted:And here i recall your little revolution being struck down so hard you had to beg the french for help. And look at your roads, you call this infrastructure?? Thought you were talking about the USA until I saw the flag of the European Union in the photo
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Jan 21, 2018 09:32
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As a Belgian I'm just sitting here being quiet and eating popcorn. We did get 2 city states, so that's kinda nice.
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Krazyface posted:The history of Belgium stretches back at least five thousand years. The Proto-Indo-European language is actually derived from old Belgic. They built the Rhine. Close, but they actually built the Ruhr Valley
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As the famous quote goes the HRE was not Holy, not Roman and not an empire. Ottomans and Byzantium are at least totally different cultures ruling the same area. Just make "England" into Great Britain and gently caress off the whole England Scotland thing please.
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Jan 21, 2018 11:29
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Julius Caesar called the Belgica tribe the bravest of all the Gauls.
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OperaMouse posted:Julius Caesar called the Belgica tribe the bravest of all the Gauls. Taear posted:As the famous quote goes the HRE was not Holy, not Roman and not an empire. Sinophile but c'mon guys. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 11:42
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Gaius Marius posted:This kind of poo poo drives me nuts when all of Chinese history gets compacted into a single "China". I'm not even a It's 'cause they wanna keep selling their game in China lol. I'd be down for separate Han/Tibet/Cantonese civs but that's a big market you're dropping by implying unfortunate things about China's territorial sovereignty
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Jan 21, 2018 11:56
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Deltasquid posted:It's 'cause they wanna keep selling their game in China lol. I'd be down for separate Han/Tibet/Cantonese civs but that's a big market you're dropping by implying unfortunate things about China's territorial sovereignty Just separate it into Han Tang and maybe like a Qing or Ming if you need a third. Also a Tibet civ representing the Tibetan empire would be rad.
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Gaius Marius posted:Just separate it into Han Tang and maybe like a Qing or Ming if you need a third. Also a Tibet civ representing the Tibetan empire would be rad. That's just never ever happening.
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Gaius Marius posted:He still slaughtered them Of course. Barbarians deserve no less.
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Byzantine posted:Of course. Barbarians deserve no less. Excellent post-name combo, as always. How do you feel about the civ vi roster?
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Taear posted:That's just never ever happening. Yeah, we're talking about the people who made a Hawaiian leader of all Polynesians and paid a big name like Sean Bean to read quotes about wifi that have nothing to do with the the loving mountain that triggers the quote. People talk about wanting Belgium and separate Han/Cantonese, but I'm already surprised civs like Georgia and Poland make it in. I'm not saying these are civs that haven't done anything historically important, but you can imagine they have no real "branding" among the lowest common denominator in the audience. You'd be surprised how many people play Civ that really have no firm grasp on history beyond "Once upon a time, there was Europe." Vaguely related, I remember when Georgia was in the news in 2008 because of the five-day war with Russia. You had to look Georgia up online and prove it was a sovereign country because everyone thought Russia invaded the US Georgia, the Paula Dean Jawjuh.
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Ghost Stromboli posted:Yeah, we're talking about the people who made a Hawaiian leader of all Polynesians and paid a big name like Sean Bean to read quotes about wifi that have nothing to do with the the loving mountain that triggers the quote. People talk about wanting Belgium and separate Han/Cantonese, but I'm already surprised civs like Georgia and Poland make it in. I'm not saying these are civs that haven't done anything historically important, but you can imagine they have no real "branding" among the lowest common denominator in the audience. You'd be surprised how many people play Civ that really have no firm grasp on history beyond "Once upon a time, there was Europe." I think they're trying to get better about that sort of thing, at least. VI seems like they're keeping that sort of thing in mind more. Though, as before, whoever picked the quotes and wrote the writing for this game needs to be fired. The Civilopedia's tone is really, really weird; it's negative about Cyrus and tries to talk down all his accomplishments and the good things he did, while being positive about Qin Shi Huang's brutal autocracy and book burnings, as an example. It also often tries to be "funny" and instead just comes off as cynical and misanthropic. Unrelated, it's always fun when you realize a flaw in your grand plans. That picture I posted a while back about how I was going to make a great series of seaside resorts in one city? After I made that I learned that neither pairidaezas nor seaside resorts can be built on tundra, which makes sense but was still an unwelcome surprise. "Thankfully" that game is so slow I'm not even close to the point where I'd be making the latter and thus have time to figure out something else to do there, but it's still frustrating when you learn you overlooked such a small, simple detail.
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Shame there isn't a ski resort improvement that you could build on tundra.
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Kassad posted:Shame there isn't a ski resort improvement that you could build on tundra. ski resort is for snow/hills. helicopter moose sniping tours is a tundra improvement
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The White Dragon posted:ski resort is for snow/hills. helicopter moose sniping tours is a tundra improvement Another thing Beyond Earth did well: there's lots you can do with tundra and snow tiles that tend to be so awful in other Civ games. Terrascapes, arrays, domes, nodes, biowells, and generators can all be built there, which together with sea improvements like farms makes settling the poles downright practical.
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Kassad posted:Shame there isn't a ski resort improvement that you could build on tundra. Someone suggest that to Firaxis and they might do it, really; they added a water-based Entertainment Complex in Rise and Fall, the Water Park, after all. Deserts have Petra and the Pyramids, and you can still build Seaside Resorts and Pairidaezas in them, meanwhile, so you can get some mileage out of them. Tundra, though, outside of that one pantheon belief and Russia, is useless and something you build districts over because you don't care about the tile's yield.
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Sorry for the driveby post, but I didn't see anything in the OP or the last two pages. What's the general consensus about the DLC? Hype or not hype?
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counterfeitsaint posted:What's the general consensus about the DLC? Hype or not hype? Hype in new features/civs, not hype in the fact that it probably won't fix what's wrong with the base game.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Sorry for the driveby post, but I didn't see anything in the OP or the last two pages. Do you mean the civ and scenario packs, or the upcoming expansion? Former, they're mostly pretty good, but some (particularly the Viking scenario pack, which doesn't come with a civ) are worth getting on sale. Rise and Fall looks great meanwhile.
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Deltasquid posted:Excellent post-name combo, as always. How do you feel about the civ vi roster? -1453 No Byzantium More seriously, it's getting better. At least Persia and Mongolia have been added by now, but I really dislike Civ's pattern of having twenty lovely Euro countries who've never done much of anything except exist for a hundred years or so while having the whole Muslim world be "Arabia" (led by the Sultan of Egypt Saladin), one African civ and one Native American civ (tho at least it's not Native America led by Sitting Bull), and the subcontinent being "India" led by loving Gandhi again. Byzantine fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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I never played Civ IV in its prime, but I have to wonder how people reacted when Firaxis announced Sitting Bull, emperor of Native America, as a civ leader. I don't think Civ will ever abandon Gandhi or Shaka Zulu, but sometimes I forget that Stalin and Mao were series regulars until V.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I don't think Civ will ever abandon Gandhi or Shaka Zulu, but sometimes I forget that Stalin and Mao were series regulars until V. There's always the opportunity to surprise everyone by having Indira Gandhi.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:32
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Kassad posted:There's always the opportunity to surprise everyone by having Indira Gandhi. They did that in Civ II. Two Gandhis leading India.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I never played Civ IV in its prime, but I have to wonder how people reacted when Firaxis announced Sitting Bull, emperor of Native America, as a civ leader. It was a different time back then. I don't think anybody really cared.
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