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Cocoa Crispies posted:How many are differentiable when diffusing off or through car surfaces, and do you for a single second believe that a car company could make a usable UI for even 64 colors? I don't see why not - you'd have a touch screen anyway so just rip off the MS Office colour picker
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Cocoa Crispies posted:How many are differentiable when diffusing off or through car surfaces, and do you for a single second believe that a car company could make a usable UI for even 64 colors? Every after market head unit has 32,000 colour options to match oem interior lighting these days and they seem to manage. So of course MB would make it overly complex and then decide it's better to stick with 64.
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cool startup feel posted:https://twitter.com/MercedesBenz/status/954849862859788288
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KakerMix posted:Plus they seem to age far, far better than anything else. I haven't seen a calpped-out Prius bombing around on blown suspension like I do with every single Escalade or Excursion ever made. Or old Hyundais. The Prius is the perfect car for everyone who doesn't care about driving, which is a gigantic population. Not sure how they've hosed up so long not having a Prius branded crossover but I think it's coming soon as the replacement for the V.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:The Prius is the perfect car for everyone who doesn't care about driving This is such a stupid opinion
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Wheeee posted:This is such a stupid opinion
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Wheeee posted:This is such a stupid opinion Why? It's objectively a great car, from everything I've heard about it. They even hold up well in taxi service from what I've seen. It's just somewhat dull to drive.
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Some of us just like driving. Not speeding, not rowing through the gears, not nailing every apex. Just the simple act of driving with competence and a calm attitude. I find it relaxing and enjoyable. Maybe that makes me a weird kind of enthusiast, I dunno.
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The new Prius is just insanely ugly Even ordinary people who never look at car styling recoil from it
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Reminder that the Prius' original design goal was to be a mid-range model slotting between the Corolla and the Camry and emphasizing fuel economy. They had a couple of different ideas for how to achieve that (IIRC a teeny lean-burn turbo engine was one of the possibilities) but ended up going with the hybrid system. Then the hybrid stuff gained traction with hollywood celebrities and it became an eco-car and a symbol of conspicuous green-consciousness and now it's a whole line of cars unto itself and whatever. But at its heart, the car is still intended to be a driving appliance that is slightly fancier than a Corolla and slightly less grandma-y than a Camry, and that market is enormous.
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KozmoNaut posted:Some of us just like driving. Not speeding, not rowing through the gears, not nailing every apex. True, but you can also appreciate a poised, solid, well engineered car while driving sedately on the highway. Every Prius I’ve ever driven just feels substandard. Slow, goes around corners on the door handles, mediocre brake feel, just an awful car. I mean, I’ve driven worse (a recent Nissan Versa rental comes to mind,) but Prius is awful in every way that isn’t reliability or fuel economy.
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The Prius is great in the city - that electric motor torque really helps it along. While the previous gen is still extremely popular as a taxi I’ve seen only one of the current gen locally, most drivers seem to have switched to the Camry.
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say what you want about how boring they are but the numbers don't lie: http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius the less gas they use the more for me
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Jan 21, 2018 23:26
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:The new Prius is just insanely ugly
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I'm fine with 34 MPG in a Honda Civic Touring 1.5T. Whatever money I save with the Prius is well spent on having something bearable.
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MrYenko posted:(a recent Nissan Versa rental comes to mind,) Such a poo poo car. Now imagine driving it at 9000+ feet 
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MrYenko posted:but Prius is awful in every way that isn’t reliability or fuel economy. There is a huge number of car buyers where these are the only two things they care about.
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fknlo posted:Such a poo poo car. Now imagine driving it at 9000+ feet Nope. Nope nope nope nope NOOOOOPE.
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I have a friend that owns an M5 and grew up driving his dad's modified 240z and he loves the poo poo out of his Prius because it's cheap to operate and never breaks.
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MrYenko posted:Nope. Nope nope nope nope NOOOOOPE. How about a rental (2010-ish) Sentra going up and back down Mt. Washington? Some very interesting smells coming out of that car afterward, not all of which were from the driver's seat and pants.
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Nissan: Because You Don’t Have Any Other Choice
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Nissan: The Japanese Chrysler
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Nissan: Because you forgot Mitsubishi existed.
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ExplodingSims posted:At long last, I finally understand what non-elucidian looks like: it looks like a Guild navigator
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Sagebrush posted:Nissan: The Japanese Chrysler Wrong, Fiat/Chrysler make products that evoke some sort of emotion in me other than vague disgust, even if I wouldn't ever buy one.
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If you think a Sentra is bad rental car pray you never get stuck with an 'automatic' Punto
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Didnt some Sentras have a not so small 2.0 in them.
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dissss posted:If you think a Sentra is bad rental car pray you never get stuck with an 'automatic' Punto I pray everyone who thinks an automatic transmission is appropriate to put in a car with a tiny engine is savagely beaten.
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PT6A posted:I pray everyone who thinks an automatic transmission is appropriate to put in a car with a tiny engine is savagely beaten. If it was a regular auto then I wouldn't have an issue with it - at least you know what you're getting and can expect smooth (if slow) progress. The Fiat on the other hand has a single clutch automated manual which is technically capable of fully automatic operation but in practice needs to be operated in manual mode anyway and even then you need to be extremely careful with the throttle to trick it into changing smoothly (or what passes as smoothly). It's literally more effort than using a normal manual transmission. That's on a brand new one too, get one with a few rental miles and you can add weird smells and hilarious clutch slip on top of everything else. 76hp BTW, and while I can't find any 0-60 times for the auto the manual is somewhere around 13 seconds
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dissss posted:If it was a regular auto then I wouldn't have an issue with it - at least you know what you're getting and can expect smooth (if slow) progress. Sounds like the Smart Fortwo's automatic, except with a manual mode. That sucker was really unpleasant to take on I-95 but I'm still sad they're gone from Miami.
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ilkhan posted:That is definitely true. I know at least one person who went to buy one then switched to the Hyundai Ioniq solely because it looks boring instead of horrible.\ It's a shame too because the new Prius has less usable cargo space in the back as well.
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Q_res posted:Nissan: Because you forgot Mitsubishi existed. Nissan: because the Kia dealership is too far from the bus stop to walk.
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Q_res posted:Nissan: Because you forgot Mitsubishi existed. Wait so does that mean Mitsubishi is the Japanese AMC? Where does Suzuki fit in there?
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Suzuki makes cheap little cars some of which are extremely entertaining - the Swift Sport is great for what you pay and even the regular one with the little turbo is fun to drive.
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Friar Zucchini posted:Where does Suzuki fit in there? It doesn't since it exited the US market 5 years ago.
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dissss posted:Suzuki makes cheap little cars some of which are extremely entertaining - the Swift Sport is great for what you pay and even the regular one with the little turbo is fun to drive. I wish. If Suzuki had offered that while they were still here I'd have one right now.
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A friend just bought the new swift sport because I said it looked neat. He went to test drive one and was really impressed. 26k out the door. I'm gonna have a go and maybe do the same. Cheap and super fun he said.
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FBS posted:I thought this kinda stuff was played out by the second Fast and Furious movie See the Honda Civic Type R for your answer to "will people buy awful looking poo poo?"
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So a good friend of mine is looking to replace his wife’s ~2005 CRV, and was pondering larger vehicles. She’s an awful driver, and has ripped the bumper off the CRV THREE TIMES, pulling in and out of the garage (she’s an awful driver,) so he has specific desires of a new car. We talked about the new Volvo XC90, gently used Escalades/Yukon Denalis, etc etc.. Nothing checked all his boxes, until I mentioned to him that for his use case and requirements, (two kids in car seats, 360° parking cam, emergency assist braking, parking assist, occasional need for a six/seven pax vehicle, general household useage, suburbs and highways) a minivan is really the perfect vehicle. He balked initially, since he DDs a 2010 6 speed M5, he obviously doesn’t want to be that guy. And then we made it to the Chrysler website, and I got to watch him realize that the new Pacifica really does check every box on his wishlist. He grew angrier and angrier as he looked through the options list. He took his lunch break and actually went to a nearby Chrysler dealer to sit in one. He was even angrier when he got back from that, because he actually liked it. I enjoyed the hell out of the entire process.  Also, gently lowered and on non-poverty spec wheels, they’re actually kinda cool looking: 
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I feel like that would ruin the ride of a normally very comfortable van
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