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Sinteres posted:Even PPG said he wouldn't go back to fight with the YPG again last year because the US is active there now. There may have been practical reasons since I don't know how US soldiers would respond to American volunteers over there, but it seems like even he felt like he had to disavow that connection as a Marxist. I guess you don't join a fringe no hope party in the first place if you aren't looking for impractical levels of purity in your politics. There were Americans when he stayed in Syria as well, he definitely talked about encountering US intelligence assets embedded in Rojava. Right now he would probably be concerned either about the risk of being disappeared by his own state, or about the risk of getting dragged into a major war with Assad / Turkey instead of ISIS (he was there during a relative lull and didn't see much combat, IIRC).
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lollontee posted:how do you not support the PKK, which the PYD incidentally has no connections to, and still call yourself a tankie. like, every tankie i know supports rojava so what the dick where do you even find these people leftbook, not even once
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i know who he is, he invented the crockpot before its name got anglicized
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lollontee posted:how do you not support the PKK, which the PYD incidentally has no connections to, and still call yourself a tankie. like, every tankie i know supports rojava so what the dick where do you even find these people there's tankies on leftbook who try to claim the ENTIRETY of anarchism is some bougie fake ideology just because kropotkin was was born into russian aristocracy but conveniently ignore that fredrich engels was literally the son of a factory owner who used those funds to help support marx.
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Most of Facebook isn't about renegotiating old Marxist and socialist splinters, hard as it may be to believe.
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Oh I'm sure there's plenty of improtant poo poo going on besides there. Looking forward to your battle diaries from the front lines of the posting wars, comrade!"
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lollontee posted:jesus am i glad i never got a facebook it seems like the majority of leftist discourse on pretty much every social media platform is tankies taking petty swipes at anarchists who just try to ignore them while actually organizing irl
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Kanine posted:it seems like the majority of leftist discourse on pretty much every social media platform is tankies taking petty swipes at anarchists who just try to ignore them while actually organizing irl That's nice to hear at least. I'm doing my bit through traditional party organization (left alliance), sans anything to do with social media because gently caress not even the struggle is worth that crap. cheers
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lollontee posted:That's nice to hear at least. I'm doing my bit through traditional party organization (left alliance), sans anything to do with social media because gently caress not even the struggle is worth that crap. cheers yeah same for me, helping with iww tho
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Kanine posted:there's tankies on leftbook who try to claim the ENTIRETY of anarchism is some bougie fake ideology just because kropotkin was was born into russian aristocracy but conveniently ignore that fredrich engels was literally the son of a factory owner who used those funds to help support marx. Relitigating the Marxist/anarchist split a hundred years after the fact is one of the best reasons you'll ever need to ignore both camps. It's amazing how two movements premised on action over ideology and solidarity over infighting are so loving bad at practicing what they preach.
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Sidakafitz posted:Don't understand all this hatred for PoC Hideki Tojo
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Duckbox posted:Relitigating the Marxist/anarchist split a hundred years after the fact is one of the best reasons you'll ever need to ignore both camps. It's amazing how two movements premised on action over ideology and solidarity over infighting are so loving bad at practicing what they preach. this is pretty much just online tho, most of the marxist-leninists and anarchists i know who actually have boots on the ground and organize (myself included) are happy to work with all kinds of leftists which is hopeful.
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R. Guyovich posted:Ah, time to read my favorite thread, the Middle East thread, about the Middle East. [10 seconds later] What the heck?!?!?! i mean it was less than a page of talking about leftists online being sectarian starting with rojava
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Kanine posted:i mean it was less than a page of talking about leftists online being sectarian starting with rojava The "why does whitey hate Erdogan" stuff was way worse.
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Jfc I just posed a question and then immediately concluded/concurred with the rest of y'all on what the reasons were. Sorry if this is news to you but most people on the forums are dudes and most of those dudes are white so when we discuss a majority opinion it's going to be a white dude one. Pose a curious thought and then conclude it's not a factor & you've got triggered white babies making PoC Tojo jokes. Mayo people have the thinnest loving skin. I'm part kurd I wasn't exactly trying to defend Erdo. There's just something sick and weird about the bloodthirst with which goons cheered for the Erdogan coup. Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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SChadenfreude and also he's kind of oval office so? Eh he's not going anywhere now, bar a miracle inshallah.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Jfc I just posed a question and then immediately concluded/concurred with the rest of y'all on what the reasons were. Sorry if this is news to you but most people on the forums are dudes and most of those dudes are white so when we discuss a majority opinion it's going to be a white dude one. Pose a curious thought and then conclude it's not a factor & you've got triggered white babies making PoC Tojo jokes. I thought you were trolling until you called everyone Mayo people, but now I think you're totally sincere and not just trying to stir up poo poo. Thanks for clarifying.
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Duckbox posted:The "why does whitey hate Erdogan" stuff was way worse. wait? what? are hoteps loving erdogan now or some crazy poo poo? so has there been any more developments out of syria?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so has there been any more developments out of syria? Supposedly the YPG retook or at least is still contesting all the captured areas so far, and there was a report that a Euphrates Shield commander was surprised at the slow progress so far, but it's been one day, so we probably shouldn't assume too much based on that. While that's going on, the SAA continued to make progress in Idlib and seems to have taken the base they were aiming for, so they'll probably clear the area north of there soon and then either turn on the ISIS pocket or just leave some guys behind to watch that and start moving west.
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Kanine posted:i mean it was less than a page of talking about leftists online being sectarian starting with rojava It did spiral pretty quickly into "lol thats why you should ignore all Marxists/Anarchists." I think people need to accept there are branches of the left that will always hate the US (and for arguably some defensible reasons) even if it leads to weird alliances/outcomes. I can see from their perspective that an alliance with the US pretty much negates the usefulness of the YPG since they aren't going to be able to challenge US foreign policy or worse have become an enabler of it. Personally, I think the YPG is making the logical choice looking at their situation. As for Syria, I think it is reason to assume that the Afrin offensive is going to suck up a lot of resources and probably help the SAA out. It is also probably why Assad is going to try to keep the Kurds fighting since it is nearly win-win. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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HorrificExistence posted:Turks apparently did a massacre. Not posting images because it is a pile of dead kids. I don't think "pile of dead kids" quite does the picture justice. They're literally mangled into separate charred limbs and it's probably one of the worst photos to come out of the war.
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Duckbox posted:The "why does whitey hate Erdogan" stuff was way worse. I hate Erdogan because Turks make worse kebabs than Lebanese. Inshallah.
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Sinteres posted:I thought you were trolling until you called everyone Mayo people, but now I think you're totally sincere and not just trying to stir up poo poo. Thanks for clarifying. mayo people is my new favorite slur and most goons (again, mostly dudes, mostly white) also probably like mayo (gross) so maybe I'm just spreading love and togetherness here. Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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OctaMurk posted:I don't think "pile of dead kids" quite does the picture justice. They're literally mangled into separate charred limbs and it's probably one of the worst photos to come out of the war. Wow, correct me if I'm wrong, but not even ISIS came up with some horrifying poo poo that fast after getting started in earnest.
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CrazyLoon posted:Wow, correct me if I'm wrong, but not even ISIS came up with some horrifying poo poo that fast after getting started in earnest. ISIS took time to make a spectacle of things. Even the mass executions got paraded around a little bit first. It seems the Turks don't stand much on ceremony.
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Sorry punkin, I didn't mean to start poo poo. This Afrin business made me punchy is all
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It's cool, my phrasing was pretty troll/provocative anyway. It's always nice to be reminded of the myriad of reasons to hate Erdogan, and the idea that there's a particular western hate for him over the likes of Sisi and MBS or just...I dunno, Duterte, because he represents a significant backslide makes sense. Although I wonder if the "coupers" would've been any less Kurd antagonistic or would've veered Turkey any nearer to better democratic principles. Weren't they just a bunch of Kemalist military dudes? Maybe we'd just have the Turkish Sisi rn.
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https://twitter.com/ahval_en/status/955064665821843456ahval_en posted:Pres Erdogan: Yesterday air strikes, today ground operation began on Afrin. 55% of Afrin is Arabs, %35 of Kurds who came there later on.. The whole point it to give Afrin back to real owners. We are going to send Syrians in Turkey back to their country as soon as possible. #live Probably don't announce plans to perform ethnic cleansing on TV?
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Punkin Spunkin posted:breaking news, when surrounded by white dudes you wonder sometimes if there's something about them being white dudes that influences X or Y opinions or the passion behind said opinions. is there a weird racial angle to the Erdo hate? in this case the answer is "nah" but that poo poo gets made up elsewhere. There's undoubtedly a weird racial angle to the way some people love Putin. So you like Erdogan? Because otherwise why would you try to read some nonsense into that opinion if you also shared it.
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HorrificExistence posted:Turks apparently did a massacre. Not posting images because it is a pile of dead kids. Can you at least quote the source?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Probably don't announce plans to perform ethnic cleansing on TV? You say ethnic cleansing, he says 'appealing to his base.' In fact, I imagine that's exactly the primary reason he's doing this - to reassert some kind of control in his country by giving it a clear outside enemy (or reminding everyone of it). Or at least at this point I'm giving him that benefit of the doubt and that he isn't at Trump levels of literally not knowing wtf he's actually doing and just lashing out with his frustrations.
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steinrokkan posted:So you like Erdogan? Because otherwise why would you try to read some nonsense into that opinion if you also shared it.
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steinrokkan posted:Can you at least quote the source? You can find the images on the front page of the SCW subreddit right now but I really don't recommend it
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