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UmOk posted:Amazing. Everything you just posted was wrong. Who is Snoke? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of The First Order?
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enraged_camel posted:Who is Snoke? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of The First Order? Trick question: nobody cares.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:20
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enraged_camel posted:Who is Snoke? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of The First Order? There will probably be a book about it
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Jan 22, 2018 01:22
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enraged_camel posted:Who is Snoke? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of The First Order? Imagine it’s ‘83 and you’ve just seen RotJ. Who is the Emperor? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of the Empire? What’s the difference?
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Jan 22, 2018 01:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Trick question: nobody cares. Meh. I personally enjoyed Palpatine's depiction as a master manipulator throughout the three movies. Snoke seemed too much like a side character which didn't really fit considering he's a god drat Sith Lord.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:23
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enraged_camel posted:Meh. I personally enjoyed Palpatine's depiction as a master manipulator throughout the three movies. Snoke seemed too much like a side character which didn't really fit considering he's a god drat Sith Lord. Well that's because Palpy has a character to begin with.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:25
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enraged_camel posted:Meh. I personally enjoyed Palpatine's depiction as a master manipulator throughout the three movies. Snoke seemed too much like a side character which didn't really fit considering he's a god drat Sith Lord. Nobody knew that story in 1983. He was just a guy in his bathrobe with a bad case of eczema and lightning hands.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:27
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enraged_camel posted:Who is Snoke? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of The First Order? Really? He was trained by CGI Leia on the snow planet.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:31
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:Nobody knew that story in 1983. He was just a guy in his bathrobe with a bad case of eczema and lightning hands. He was an old woman wearing a monkey mask.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:31
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well that's because Palpy has a character to begin with. In Return of the Jedi?
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Jan 22, 2018 01:34
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In esb the emperor was a monkey.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:34
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Imagine it’s ‘83 and you’ve just seen RotJ. Who is the Emperor? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of the Empire? The Emperor didn't get shanked out of nowhere in the middle of the movie.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:35
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Imagine it’s ‘83 and you’ve just seen RotJ. Who is the Emperor? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of the Empire? He doesn't get killed in RotJ, for one.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:39
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Captain von Trapp posted:The Emperor didn't get shanked out of nowhere in the middle of the movie. In the middle of the second movie, at that.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:41
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Captain von Trapp posted:The Emperor didn't get shanked out of nowhere in the middle of the movie. It was at the end yeah.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:41
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sponges posted:In Return of the Jedi? I would go so far as to say he's the only good part of ROTJ.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:49
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sponges posted:In Return of the Jedi? He's an amazing character in the throne room scenes. Before that point he barely has a handful of lines in the series.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:50
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I would go so far as to say he's the only good part of ROTJ. Nah, there’s lot of good poo poo in that movie. There’s also a lot of bad stuff
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Jan 22, 2018 01:53
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sponges posted:Nah, there’s lot of good poo poo in that movie. There’s also a lot of bad stuff The Ewoks killing the poo poo out of people is also good, and Luke's very cool leisurewear are great. Everything else is bloated and cokey, and if you were an adult in 1983, you were better off going to see Scarface instead if you wanted that.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:56
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The Ewoks killing the poo poo out of people is also good, and Luke's very cool leisurewear are great. Everything else is bloated and cokey, and if you were an adult in 1983, you were better off going to see Scarface instead if you wanted that. Scarface is loving terrible
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Jan 22, 2018 01:58
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sponges posted:Scarface is loving terrible It is you who are mistaken. About a great many things.
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Jan 22, 2018 01:59
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It is you who are mistaken. About a great many things. It’s a power fantasy for idiots who seemingly didn’t watch the climax. Tony Montana has one note throughout the whole loving movie.
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Jan 22, 2018 02:00
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Where'd you get the beauty scar, tough guy? Eating pineapple?
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Jan 22, 2018 02:05
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K. Waste posted:Where'd you get the beauty scar, tough guy? Eating pineapple? Eating pussy! Lol
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Jan 22, 2018 02:11
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Captain Splendid posted:May the Force be equal to mass times acceleration. From my perspective, the force is pressure over area!
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Jan 22, 2018 02:13
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sponges posted:It’s a power fantasy for idiots who seemingly didn’t watch the climax. Tony Montana has one note throughout the whole loving movie. You claim it's a power fantasy and mention the climax in the same sentence.
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Jan 22, 2018 02:47
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Snoke is a two-bit chump who relies on his ability to do parlor tricks to impress neofascists. The movie adequately conveys this.
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Jan 22, 2018 03:20
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UmOk posted:You claim it's a power fantasy and mention the climax in the same sentence. But certain people view dying in a hail of gunfire confirmation that you've entered gangster Valhalla. For normally adjusted people watching they'll view the palacial destruction and his death as his comeuppance
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Jan 22, 2018 03:24
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Tender Bender posted:Snoke is a two-bit chump who relies on his ability to do parlor tricks to impress neofascists. The movie adequately conveys this. By having him toss around the ostensible protagonist like a rag doll
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Jan 22, 2018 03:25
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Imagine it’s ‘83 and you’ve just seen RotJ. Who is the Emperor? What is his story? How did he become a Sith Lord and gain control of the Empire? His very "name" (The Emperor) tells us what he does and how it relates both to the narrative and the setting. We'd spent the whole trilogy up to then seeing what the Empire was, how it worked, why it needed to fall, and that this rear end in a top hat was at the top of the totem-pole. Snoke has none of that. The First Order is undefined and inconsistent and thus his being "Supreme Leader" of it is meaningless to the audience. The sequels take place in an established universe with established workings and Snoke contradicts those. That requires an explanation which good old Sheev, being in an undefined setting, didn't need. For the comparison to be accurate the OT would have had to have had every mention of the Empire replace with something like "Regional Federation of Aligned Mercantile States" and the Emperor to never be mentioned until RoTJ on the Death Star II.
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Jan 22, 2018 03:30
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Penpal posted:But certain people view dying in a hail of gunfire confirmation that you've entered gangster Valhalla. For normally adjusted people watching they'll view the palacial destruction and his death as his comeuppance Hot-take, which I assure you I make in good faith and not as an attack: "normally adjusted" is - however unconsciously - code for educated, white middle-class, and the perception that someone doesn't 'get' Scarface is directly correlated with how poor they are or how much they like hip-hop. What's dismissed in this false choice is the notion that Tony's death is both poetically just, and tragically expressive of the seemingly inescapable condition of poor, POC, and immigrants in America. See, also: The Mack.
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Jan 22, 2018 03:34
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Unoriginal Name posted:By having him toss around the ostensible protagonist like a rag doll Yeah, that's one of his parlor tricks. He gets gutted like a fish two minutes later because of a situation he put himself in and did everything possible to enable, which is kind of the point because he's a dumbass. Some people seem to be regarding this as a mistake, like the creators got confused and accidentally filmed the main villain dying halfway through the second movie. vvvvv See this guy, who makes the argument that Snoke is nothing like the Emperor but then doesn't follow those thoughts to their logical conclusion. galagazombie posted:His very "name" (The Emperor) tells us what he does and how it relates both to the narrative and the setting. We'd spent the whole trilogy up to then seeing what the Empire was, how it worked, why it needed to fall, and that this rear end in a top hat was at the top of the totem-pole. Snoke has none of that. The First Order is undefined and inconsistent and thus his being "Supreme Leader" of it is meaningless to the audience. The sequels take place in an established universe with established workings and Snoke contradicts those. That requires an explanation which good old Sheev, being in an undefined setting, didn't need. For the comparison to be accurate the OT would have had to have had every mention of the Empire replace with something like "Regional Federation of Aligned Mercantile States" and the Emperor to never be mentioned until RoTJ on the Death Star II.
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Jan 22, 2018 03:58
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Tender Bender posted:Some people seem to be regarding this as a mistake, like the creators got confused and accidentally filmed the main villain dying halfway through the second movie. They kinda did. Kylo Ren, while a mass-murderer, is at this point verging on anti-hero status as the Rebellion and its protagonists were systematically cut down literally and/or metaphorically via the script's vaunted subversion.
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Jan 22, 2018 04:04
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:Nobody knew that story in 1983. He was just a guy in his bathrobe with a bad case of eczema and lightning hands. This line of reasoning is disingenuous bullshit. Audiences have changed in the last 30+ years. The franchise has changed, storytelling has changed, in large part because of this very franchise. To pretend it should be evaluated in the same manner is purposefully obtuse.
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Jan 22, 2018 04:05
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Movies should only be evaluated based on how they effect future movies in the franchise
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Jan 22, 2018 04:20
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Snoke died the exact same way as Palpatine: he assumed he had control of his chief minion, and his minion killed him. It's even directly after he displays sufficient power with the force to be effectively immune to the protaganist. (It's not a parlor trick, it's establishing that Rey has no chance.) This is arrogance, canonically established as a flaw of the Sith and of antagonists in general. The only thematic difference is that Vader lost everything to kill the Emperor and Kylo gained control of the entire galaxy, apparently.
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Jan 22, 2018 04:20
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Snoke died the exact same way as Palpatine: he assumed he had control of his chief minion, and his minion killed him. Wrong. Vader died from his injuries in taking out Palpatine. He turned to the light side at the last minute and made the ultimate sacrifice. Ben though simply assassinated his master and then tried to turn Rey. It was pretty loving lame in comparison (I mean, the entire idea that a Sith Lord would fall for that trick is laughable in and of itself).
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Jan 22, 2018 04:23
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Is Snoke even a legit Sith? Do they use the words “Sith Lord” at any point in the movie?
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Jan 22, 2018 04:30
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How much money does TLJ make if it’s the same actors, same quality of acting/special effects, same beats and arcs but not a Star Wars movie?
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Dr.Radical posted:Is Snoke even a legit Sith? Do they use the words “Sith Lord” at any point in the movie? He isn't and they don't. The clue should be there's no Darth title.
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