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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Literally everything about the Cell saga in DBZ after the initial setup was the result of an editor telling Toriyama that gero/the androids/imperfect cell weren't good enough and that he had to jazz poo poo up. That isn't true, the editor in question didn't work on the project but was asked his opinion. It's a weird urban legend akin to DBZ was supposed to end after (insert favorite arc here)
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CharlestheHammer posted:That isn't true, the editor in question didn't work on the project but was asked his opinion. The Raditz saga was the true and only ending of Dragon Ball Z, Toriyama was actually planning to kill off Goku and spin off into a series about piccolo and his new son Gohan. I know this because my uncle works at Toriyama. Roland Jones posted:Oh yeah, that's a good example. 19 and 20 were meant to be the actual androids (well, cyborg, in the case of the latter), but Toriyama's editor thought that "an old man and a China doll" were terrible villains. Hence, 17 and 18. The editor hated them too and thought they were just some brats or whatever. I completely agree with that man 
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Nuebot posted:The Raditz saga was the true and only ending of Dragon Ball Z, Toriyama was actually planning to kill off Goku and spin off into a series about piccolo and his new son Gohan. I know this because my uncle works at Toriyama.
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Then it wouldn't have any of the poo poo that made it what it is.
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Dragon Ball would be a good series if it wasn’t saturated with some really dire bullshit for about 40-50% of it’s run
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Dragon Ball needs a Kai, too, honestly. Just go at like half the series with a cleaver.
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Pretend I posted the Dragon Quest comic Toriyama did Or don’t because it was loving awful Toriyama’s early stuff has some kinda lovely really skeevy bits, is what I’m saying
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Grouchio posted:My hindsight thinks the story should've ended with Dragonball if it wanted to end well. From what I hear, it was originally planned to end with the Pilaf saga. Which, among other things, would mean that the only wish on the Dragon Balls we would have seen was Oolong wishing for panties. (Speaking of skeevy bits.)
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Yeah the series was not intended to go on very long. It proved popular so he continued it.
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My first Experience with Dragonball was the Buu Saga followed by the G-Rated dub edit to the Pilaf Saga.
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My favourite DBZ urban legend was the time that Oda met Toriyama and geeked out about Dragonball to him only to discover that Toriyama had no idea what he was talking about cause he'd forgotten so much about the series. Also reading DB Chou is a trip, there must be an editor keeping track of tiny details because I don't doubt for a second that Toriyama would completely forget that Goku and Android 17 never met, so somebody must have told him and he managed to slip in a fun gag to cover for that.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Pretend I posted the Dragon Quest comic Toriyama did In fairness to him, both DQ and FF games had weird pervy bits in there for those that cared. I mean...they were 8 bit dancing ladies, but they were added for a reason. Toriyama just...gave you some details.
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Shinjobi posted:This thread is the traitor The comic is the story Deku is telling a new generation of students, and one of them is sending messages to the villains in the past using his quirk.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Also reading DB Chou is a trip, there must be an editor keeping track of tiny details because I don't doubt for a second that Toriyama would completely forget that Goku and Android 17 never met, so somebody must have told him and he managed to slip in a fun gag to cover for that. "DB Chou" may be the most weeaboo poo poo I've read in my life. Dude, it's Super. The series itself uses Super. You know, like Super Saiyan. DORAGON BOORU SUPAH is heard in every episode. Also Toriyama is only in charge of the outlines for the plot, the manga's drawn and written by big-name fan Toyotarou, previously doujinshi artist Toyble. Toyotarou has a much better memory than Toriyama, being a giant fan of the original work to the point that he likes GT of all things. Too bad he's nowhere near as good of a writer.
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Toriyama forgot Bulma never saw Freeza so that entire bit with Jaco drawing a sketch of him and her even being at the fight to yell at him was all Toyotaro if memory serves
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Considering the private moments we've seen from Aoyama where he's dealing with his fear it'd be weird if he was evil. It seems more likely to me it's set-up to make you think he's the traitor but he's actually asking how to be brave after seeing everything Deku's done up until now.
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While staring at him ominously sure.
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He could have been pressured into being evil, and wants to be brave like Deku. AfO has his sick mother or something and is blackmailing him.
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I've always kind of suspected a "the traitor is being forced to be a traitor" reveal, but I think it's a bit of a copout and would prefer someone be Actually Bad.
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CharlestheHammer posted:While staring at him ominously sure. Not saying he's isn't spooky looking in that scene, but is there a moment in the series where his stare isn't a little offputting to most?
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Shinjobi posted:Not saying he's isn't spooky looking in that scene, but is there a moment in the series where his stare isn't a little offputting to most? Yeah, I was gonna say. I don't think Aoyama has more than one facial expression.
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Shinjobi posted:Not saying he's isn't spooky looking in that scene, but is there a moment in the series where his stare isn't a little offputting to most? Not to that level, I do wonder what motivated him to be a traitor. Maybe he was just bored.
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PMush Perfect posted:He could have been pressured into being evil, and wants to be brave like Deku. AfO has his sick mother or something and is blackmailing him. yea that would work fine with what we've seen from him so far I get not believing he's the traitor but I don't get not believing there's any way it makes sense at all
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Maybe Aoyoma is gay for deku. Thats why he asked Uraraka is she liked him. Hes gauging his competition.
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Hihohe posted:Maybe Aoyoma is gay for deku. Thats why he asked Uraraka is she liked him. Hes gauging his competition. Aoyoma is the traitor, but his love for Deku with cause him to turn on the villains!
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Shinjobi posted:Not saying he's isn't spooky looking in that scene, but is there a moment in the series where his stare isn't a little offputting to most? 
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Ytlaya posted:I've always kind of suspected a "the traitor is being forced to be a traitor" reveal, but I think it's a bit of a copout and would prefer someone be Actually Bad. Honestly after the resolution of Eri being "actually she just gets better and less OP because it'd be awkward to figure out what to do with her otherwise" I'm thinking copping out isn't off the table. That was pretty weak for this series imo.
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Nephthys posted:Honestly after the resolution of Eri being "actually she just gets better and less OP because it'd be awkward to figure out what to do with her otherwise" I'm thinking copping out isn't off the table. Where are you getting that conclusion from.
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The power was in the horn on her head and it shrunk. It could come back but I have a lot of doubts about it?
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Could be that it stores up over time, and that was her first big chance to 'purge' since Overhaul got his hands on her. Then it's not a problem solved, just deferred.
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Yeah I'd say it's a bit premature to say Eri just happened to get depowered. It's not a problem now. That's all we know.
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Now I wanna go back and reread that arc to see if Eri's horn changes size over time.
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Kyte posted:Yeah I'd say it's a bit premature to say Eri just happened to get depowered. It's not a problem now. That's all we know. Eri very likely isn't coming back. Her power is a pain in the rear end to deal with.
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What happened to y'all's faith in Horikoshi? Did you hate the Overhaul arc that much?
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He had a pretty bad 2017 but there's not much of anything to suggest he can't recover from it.
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I liked the Hideout Raid arc.
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PMush Perfect posted:What happened to y'all's faith in Horikoshi? Did you hate the Overhaul arc that much? I’m still not sure if I’ll ever quite be ready to love again after Bleach TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’m still not sure if I’ll ever quite be ready to love again after Bleach
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