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lmao Mitch McConnell, famous good faith agreement man. Surely he'll keep his word with the Democrats, a group of people he has a long track record of deeply respecting.
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:lmao Mitch McConnell, famous good faith agreement man. Surely he'll keep his word with the Democrats, a group of people he has a long track record of deeply respecting. Lucy is currently committed to holding the football in place in exchange for Charlie "Chuck" Brown agreeing to try and kick it.
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:lmao Mitch McConnell, famous good faith agreement man. Surely he'll keep his word with the Democrats, a group of people he has a long track record of deeply respecting. The goal is to make Mitch McConnell feel so bad about bullying a party of literal developmentally challenged babies that he can take it no more and retires.
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twerking on the railroad posted:I seriously doubt that Manning is a Nazi. More likely she's just easily duped. I think her arrest record shows she is very easily duped.
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I can't believe that people actually think Republicans will actually do the right thing on DACA. Thank God this thread exists because in the Trump thread people apparently think that DACA being popular will somehow force Republicans' hands.
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InnercityGriot posted:I can't believe that people actually think Republicans will actually do the right thing on DACA. Thank God this thread exists because in the Trump thread people apparently think that DACA being popular will somehow force Republicans' hands. Right after they passed a tax bill that was super unpopular, too.
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InnercityGriot posted:I can't believe that people actually think Republicans will actually do the right thing on DACA. Thank God this thread exists because in the Trump thread people apparently think that DACA being popular will somehow force Republicans' hands.
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InnercityGriot posted:I can't believe that people actually think Republicans will actually do the right thing on DACA. Thank God this thread exists because in the Trump thread people apparently think that DACA being popular will somehow force Republicans' hands. They probably will save the Dreamers but with a lot of hideous poo poo attached, along with the dreamers staying being conditional on staying compliant with the program. Compliance of course determined by the Trump administration. They won't be rounded up but by 8 years they will be all gone.
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InnercityGriot posted:I can't believe that people actually think Republicans will actually do the right thing on DACA. Thank God this thread exists because in the Trump thread people apparently think that DACA being popular will somehow force Republicans' hands. The Trump thread is full of people who unironically believed that President Hillary would somehow had been able to force a GOP congress to play ball, so this isn't surprising. E: axelord posted:They probably will save the Dreamers but with a lot of hideous poo poo attached, along with the dreamers staying being conditional on staying compliant with the program. Compliance of course determined by the Trump administration. Yeah, this is the really dumb thing. How the gently caress can you look at the America of today and think that the law won't be used to its fullest extent to hurt minorities?
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And to think that I was annoyed with the democrats when I thought there were going to trade DACA for wall funding. Now we get wall funding and no DACA.
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The Kingfish posted:And to think that I was annoyed with the democrats when I thought there were going to trade DACA for wall funding. Now we get wall funding and no DACA. loving 
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/955514930949754881quote:Progressives are hammering Sen. Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) for his agreement with Senate Republican leadership to end the government shutdown on Monday. what a trainwreck Red and Black fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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I bet you Schumer agreed to future wall-funding appropriation to get DACA. What a mess. What a loving waste.
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Is it true that it's only a one month extension and they got 6 years of CHIP in exchange? Or is this a full and final budget plan?
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Trump is going to sign landmark immigration reform. The democrats are going to give him his wall.
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GlyphGryph posted:Is it true that it's only a one month extension and they got 6 years of CHIP in exchange?
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GlyphGryph posted:Is it true that it's only a one month extension and they got 6 years of CHIP in exchange? It's three weeks and yes they got 6 years of CHIP. It's a fine deal if they can manage not to gently caress up the PR, and if they didn't manage to embolden Republicans to completely refuse any decent DREAM act altogether; we'll see if either of those conditions hold.
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It's a horrible loving deal. They've let the GOP off the hook for letting CHIP expire without a single political consequence. E: what you describe as "a fine deal" is just last year's status quo plus money for Trump's wall.
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Mornacale posted:It's three weeks and yes they got 6 years of CHIP. It's a fine deal if they can manage not to gently caress up the PR, and if they didn't manage to embolden Republicans to completely refuse any decent DREAM act altogether; we'll see if either of those conditions hold. It's a loving terrible deal!
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Wait did the Dems actually give a way the wall funding yet? I thought it was just 3 weeks more of regular funding plus 6 years of CHIP?
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GlyphGryph posted:Wait did the Dems actually give a way the wall funding yet?
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"Sen. McCaskill" posted:“If there’s any silver lining to this dark cloud, it is this is the first time I’ve seen such a large group in the middle come together.”
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GlyphGryph posted:Wait did the Dems actually give a way the wall funding yet? This is exactly what it is. Whether or not this is a good deal is dependent on what they manage to do three weeks from now. I'd spend time and energy until then pressuring them into taking a unified position that correctly puts responsibility for this on the GOP, as they sure as gently caress didn't have one heading into this standoff.
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The Kingfish posted:It's a horrible loving deal. They've let the GOP off the hook for letting CHIP expire without a single political consequence. Given that the Republicans are doing everything in their power to make things worse, and that they control every branch of government, maintaining the status quo is currently a win. If the wall got funding then that would lessen it, but I haven't seen anything saying that other than your assertion here. Can you source it? Letting DREAMers get deported without major political and PR consequences for the GOP would absolutely be a huge loss for Democrats, but I think there's at least a pretty solid case that taking care of CHIP puts the Democrats in a better place in three weeks. If the Dems cave in three weeks then they can eat poo poo, but this particular deal isn't the problem.
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So wait, what is the deal? Is the deal CHIP for 3 weeks of funding, or is it wall funding and CHIP for 3 weeks?
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Lightning Knight posted:So wait, what is the deal? Nobody's been able to decipher the crayon scribbles yet
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Lightning Knight posted:So wait, what is the deal? wall funding is not a part of it
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If it’s CHIP for 3 weeks and nothing else I am cautiously ambivalent but the reaction from advocacy groups and unions worries me. I feel like they wouldn’t be that angry without justification.
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Mornacale posted:Given that the Republicans are doing everything in their power to make things worse, and that they control every branch of government, maintaining the status quo is currently a win. If the wall got funding then that would lessen it, but I haven't seen anything saying that other than your assertion here. Can you source it? No. "Taking care of CHIP" puts the Democrats at a MASSIVE disadvantage in three weeks compared to where there were yesterday. E:^ Unless I'm mistaken, its CHIP for eight years and the government for three weeks.
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I’d argue that it makes us the bad guys if we’re willing to pass up an opportunity to keep 9 million children insured to use them as political hostages. But it’s not ideal. I would’ve rather they held out longer.  Yeah I understand that it’s CHIP for the long-term but the government for short-term, I’m just phone posting.
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Lightning Knight posted:If it’s CHIP for 3 weeks and nothing else I am cautiously ambivalent but the reaction from advocacy groups and unions worries me. I feel like they wouldn’t be that angry without justification. You already have a preview of what Democratic leadership thinks about those groups, my man.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’d argue that it makes us the bad guys if we’re willing to pass up an opportunity to keep 9 million children insured to use them as political hostages. This is the West Wing you loving rube, we aren't "the bad guys" for playing somewhat hard-ball with politics.
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Office Pig posted:You already have a preview of what Democratic leadership thinks about those groups, my man. I know, which worries me. I feel very conflicted. I think that given the opportunity to get CHIP reauthorized long-term for relatively little given away, it would’ve been wrong to not do that. They’re not our political hostages, they’re children who need healthcare. I wish they had held out longer. They should’ve loving fought. ^ “being willing to do whatever it takes to win in the short-term” is how lovely moderates justify tacking to the center.
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