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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Man, that was a really big period of nothing to get to "And then Futaba typed their problems away." I'm still hoping it's Futaba hacking into an AI or a server used by Sae's boss, because it's the only thing that would make sense at this point. I seriously can't believe that members of not-Anonymous wouldn't be shitposting online about how they'll wreck the Thieves, or do the Purge/Cleanse before the deadline just to be complete dipshits.
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Part 90: 8/22: This Update Has Been Hacked Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)   Boss! Hello! Music: Alright  Yo, you look tired.  We’ve made ourselves at home.   The site’s main page now displays what is thought to be the mark belonging to the Phantom Thieves… Moreso, the personal information of a Japanese man, a possible Medjed member, was illegally publicized. Aren’t these the guys people have been up in arms about? Medjed has yet to issue an official reply. Furthermore, their previously announced cleanse of Japan has remained unimplemented for now. Some speculate that they have taken this series of events seriously and ultimately canceled their plan.Futaba didn’t really… do much, did she? Doxxed one person and hacked a website.  The group starts giggling and cheering quietly. What’re you all smirking about…?  Well stop it. You’re gonna drive away all my customers. After the commercial break, we will be asking guests from various fields about this turn of events. But there ain’t any customers…? Can it… My customers are on summer vacation too. Ha. Poor Sojiro. Oh crap, I just realized our break’s almost over!  There are still ten days left. I wanna go somewhere, but we can’t just leave Futaba-chan alone.  Some things still concern me too, like that “research”…  Oh! Did you just get up?  *nods* Good morning.  It seems she’s cautious of us… Hey, why don’t we go upstairs? If any customers come, she’ll be even more afraid. Why don’t you go with them, Futaba? Have fun. It’s about time my regulars show up anyway, so I don’t want you guys loitering around my store.  Oh hey, this rear end in a top hat again!  The issue I want to make clear is the attitude of the police, and more importantly, the government.  What do you mean? Are they doing their best to find an effective countermeasure against these Phantom Thieves? Is it not the government’s duty to create a society where its citizens can live without worry?Hey! Under the Phantom Thieves, you only have to worry if you’re an undesirable! Unfortunately, the current cabinet is powerless. As such, they should be disbanded. I believe now is the time for me to risk my political career in hope of making a new reality. A new political system that goes beyond parties or factions… An ideal country of peace and order…  This politician seems quite promising. I have to agree. I hope he can work to ease the anxieties of the elderly. What do you think, Boss? Hm? Oh sorry, I wasn’t listening.Rude! Music: Interrogation Room    And Medjed was in turn defeated by her real-world hacking abilities? This does correlate to the facts as we know them… If he’s telling the truth, then Wakaba Isshiki didn’t commit suicide… Did a third party target her life with the goal of destroying her research…? Wakaba’s death was two years ago… That also coincides with when the incidents started occurring… Does this other Metaverse user that Madarame and Kaneshiro mentioned… really exist…? Earlier, I briefly mentioned about those psychotic breakdown incidents that have alarmed the public. All of a sudden, people will lose consciousness or become violent… A situation as incomprehensible as that can’t be explained away as “troubled social conditions.” ...I suspect that these cases are all connected to a larger, man-made plot. The method involved always muddled the explication, but your story has virtually confirmed its viability. Oh man, this is some fresh word salad. Who the gently caress uses the word “explication”? Although, I wouldn’t have expected a new criminal to come to light from your testimony… What did your group think of this other Metaverse user? How self-centered of you. The Phantom Thieves tamper with people’s hearts without consent. How is that different? Well… no matter how you thought of them, there can be no doubting your resolve. Are those incidents because of you or someone else…? Either way, I will get to the bottom of this.  I feel like my bond with Sae is growing deeper...  Kunikazu Okumura… You should know who he is. ...Considering what happened. Your testimony regarding this incident will be serious. I’m sure you understand why. Answer my next question carefully. What did you do to this Okumura?  Music: Wicked Plan  To think the cognitive version of a person would transform into a such a horrible monster and attack us… That means our enemies aren’t limited to Shadows. I thought the other people were just victims, like the slaves at the castle or the walking ATMs. Even though they seem to be alive, they’re only part of the backdrop… the environment. In other words, the Palace ruler determines the form and strength of their cognitions. I would have loved to ask Futaba’s mother how far along she was with her research… Research, huh… She was lookin’ into that cognitive psience stuff, yeah? If we put together all the information we’ve gathered up to this point… Abuse of cognitive psience can lead to death, and it may even relate to the psychotic breakdown incidents. Considering the “cognitive” aspect, I sense a strong connection between it and the Metaverse. On top of that, the research might have been stolen and used by someone else. You mean those guys that showed Futaba-chan the fake suicide note. If that is the case, those people are unforgivable. Hey, Futaba. Is there anything else you can remember?    Futaba comes back, with more food.  C’mon, no fair… Hey, can I snag a bite?  Futaba stares Ryuji down. ...Meanie. Why don’t we take a short break? Music: Suspicion  Even if Futaba is a genius, could she really crush an international hacker organization that easily?What are you talking about, Makoto? This is anime. Of course she could. The one who taunted the Phantom Thieves was a guy in Japan. I knew the Medjed members in Japan weren’t anything special, so I wasn’t worried. How do you know that? ‘Cause I’m the founder. Theeeeere we go. Um… what do you mean? Should we take that literally? Yep. It was only me at first, back when I was referred to as the hacker of justice. But since I stayed anonymous, a buncha guys from all over the world started using the name. And those were the ones committing cybercrimes. It was a hassle to expose all of them, so I just left them be. Uhhh… so Futaba was the true Medjed, and we were freakin’ out over some weak-rear end dipshits? Yep. Seems like the threat has been completely undermined! You should’ve told us from the start, Futaba. I discarded the Medjed name a while ago. I’m Alibaba now. Futaba, what do you want to do now? Since you know our secret, we’d like you to join our team.  Simple enough! Just like that…? This may even ensure our investigation of Mementos goes along smoothly. Well… I guess. Well, Futaba’s real amazin’! She’s gonna be a big help for us, huh? Say, Futaba. How did you find out about us? Secret. Where did you learn to hack? Private. When did you obtain the Nav? I refuse to answer. Futaba-chan sure is unique… Still, it’ll be a problem if she doesn’t open up to us some more. At the very least, we need to be able to communicate normally with her. What should we do? Music: Alright How? First, we’ll need to help her open up to us. If we each spend an entire day with her, maybe she’ll get more used to being around us. I see. We do have the time, thanks to summer vacation. We can begin tomorrow. Let’s go to the beach! There’ll be tonsa people there, plus we got totally dried out in that desert. That’s a great idea! I forgot I hadn’t gone to the beach yet! Uh, excuse me…? I’ll come by tomorrow. See you then. Let me help as well. I don’t have anything planned. Thanks. We can set a schedule with everyone else depending on when they’re free. OK!   Futaba grabs Morgana’s face and begins pulling on it. Music: Disquiet  What a weirdly patronizing and sexist thing to say, Akechi! Wow! How can I stay calm about this!? I understand how you feel. Thanks to the incident with those hackers, people are calling us incompetent. And on top of all that, the Phantom Thieves are claiming justice is on their side. Don’t make me laugh. Medjed was dealt with by either the Phantom Thieves themselves, or some avid supporter. There are no tracks whatsoever, so they must be quite skilled… Either way, the general public recognizes the Phantom Thieves as the subjugating party. They’re gaining support and influence much faster than we could have anticipated… It is indeed an abnormal situation. I’m beginning to suspect mass manipulation of some kind… It’s even possible that a powerful person is behind them, plotting the psychotic breakdowns…  It’s rare to hear you speak in that tone.  Music: Beneath the Mask    They were saying how awesome they think the Phantom Thieves are!  I’ve heard things too. It’s becoming a huge topic of conversation.   Yeah, it’s really all thanks to Alibaba. You were a great help.  It was nothing. Oh, that reminds me… Remember that stuff about ATMs and banks just stopping? That wasn’t Medjed, was it? Nope, that was totally separate. So people were overreacting to mere coincidence? Either that or those rumors were never true to begin with.  Hm, you seem to be quite talkative in these conversations. Is that so? I’ll shut up then.Great job, Yusuke. :| ……? >:C I don’t think I get it, but I’m pretty sure she’s angry… You gotta apologize, Yusuke. Me? Why? :U Hey, is this really going to be OK? I’m worried about how things will be from now on…     There’s no doubt about it! I mean, they took Medjed down. Even the guys who had been criticizing the Phantom Thieves basically have to accept them now! The news has been spreading like wildfire too. I’ll give it an extra boost on my site as well. I bet the approval rating will be through the roof tomorrow. Look forward to it! ...Why is he of all people getting excited about this? Well, the news really did draw a lot of attention. I can’t wait to see what happens.  So, our current sub-objective next to “Prove your justice to society” is “Rid Futaba of her unease.” Simple. Anyway, this is one of the rare instances where we have our day consumed but not our night. For the next several days we’ll start in the attic, yes, but we’ll actually have the freedom to leave, holy poo poo! However, we’ll be spending our days helping Futaba because  Even so, we should keep at it. Temperatures are rising across the country, marking the hottest days we’ve had this summer. Today’s temperature is at a record high, and many are escaping the heat by playing in the water. Throngs of people could be seen at the beach near the city, enjoying the summer weather. You have to go to the beach in the summer! We should go!   It’s not worth going to any beaches in Japan. They’re cramped and dirty; there’s jellyfish…  What about a beach outside of Japan? Let’s go on a vacation on a tropical island! We don’t have to go now, right? It’s absurd to go somewhere hot in the middle of summer.I don’t even like the beach or being outside in general, but holy poo poo, SEVER.   Mine say the same thing! My mom said not to get all proud and arrogant and stuff…  Yeah, right. Don’t listen to her. Grown-ups lie all the time. I know! My parents were supposed to take me to the zoo the other day, but they broke their promise!   I wonder how they pulled it off… They really are amazing, huh. Hey-ey, whatever happened to that Akechi dude? The Phantom Thieves buried that guy—total annihilation!  We should be relieved that nothing happened. What’s more ominous is the Phantom Thieves.  How so? I thought they did well this time… Gaining power moves one closer to becoming an authoritarian. That’s just the way of the world.FULL ANARCHY NOW   Yes, I think so. Nothing bad actually happened, so it looks like we’ll all be safe. They admitted their wrongdoing on their own. If our superiors could do that too, it’d be real nice. Hahaha, that’d be great. It’d be even better if that happened in every company.   The Phantom Thieves are awesome! They’re like a manga come to life! But, I mean—we can’t rely on them for everything, right?  Huh? Why not? Stop lecturing us!    You were listening, huh? Scram if you don’t wanna get hurt. The more you struggle and resist in vain, the worse your pain and suffering, you know? Though, it’s always more fun for me when the other guy struggles… *chuckle*   They’re really somethin’ else. I wanna apprentice with ‘em. I’m glad you’re finally getting it. Yup. Lemme get ya somethin’ nice from the gift store back home—to show I’m sorry. I take it back. You clearly don’t get it yet!   This is your chance to meet those mysterious superheroes, the “Phantom Thieves!” You interested?  Relax, this’ll only take a second. Just a few seconds, OK? We’re celebrating Medjed’s fall with a party event: An Evening Chat with the Phantom Thieves. Of course, the Phantom Thieves will show up as well! It’ll be a fancy dinner at not a bad price!  What? You scared of the Phantom Thieves showing up? What are you, chicken? Well, in that case, go home already, kid! Geez, I’m wastin’ my breath here!   He must be hurting so much inside. I wish I could cheer up my dearest Akechi-kun…  “My Akechi-kun,” my rear end. Your sparkly eyes are hilarious next to your five o’clock shadow. You’ve got nose hair sticking out too, you bushy-haired beast!Ugh.  It’s a heavy burden, making my dream—OUR dream—come true. I was unable to shoulder that.  Yeah… I gotta work hard to make our dreams come true. You’re right, Mr. Asakura. But I know I can do it! Music: Crossroads      Let’s talk to the same guy as last time.   I’d like to ask for a young person’s opinion on the recent fluctuation in stock prices… ...Well, you might as well humor him.  Maaku gains Knowledge +2.     I talked to a drunk guy and learned so much that I am literally incapable of getting any smarter.  G-Good evening…  Oh, my… You look quite exhausted. Here, have a seat. As soon as I talk back, he makes sure I know I’m lower than him. He insinuates he’ll demote me… After that, I’ll overhear him talking about me, calling me useless while I’m at work… And everything I’ve done, all the results I’m getting… Somehow, he’s taking all the credit. That is the worst kind of workplace abuse. I cannot believe that man… So many people have quit because of stress. And yet, the higher-ups all ignore it. Of all the terrible bosses I could get in the world, why did mine have to be Shinsuke Kishi? *sigh* Hey, Lala. I wish the Phantom Thieves could do something and help me with this… Like how? Are you going to ask them to steal all your stress away? Hahaha… No. I guess it’s impossible. But it’s nice to think about…      Maaku gets 5400 yen.  Music: Aria of the Soul    It seems you freed the heart of a frenzied girl and saved her from her haunted past. *chuckle* Another step has been taken to rehabilitation… You are progressing quite nicely. Our master bestows words of praise upon you! You’d better feel honored! By the by, more curious information has found its way to your ears.At times it can feel like the translators really wanted to use a weird word or choice of phrase that ends up sticking out badly. “By the by” is not a thing an actual human would ever say, and don’t be a smartass and reply to that with “Igor isn’t human.” It’s creepy and weird in a completely separate manner from his own creepy, weird self. A scientist’s research… It seems that world may secretly be known after all. Furthermore, that very research has been stolen and is now used by those with malicious intent… I wonder how this will change the approach you take toward your rehabilitation…  I believe I told you we would spare no expense in cooperating with you. Allow me to grant you a new power worthy of your current self.Note: the game developers may have forgotten to add new power. Though you have my aid, be sure not to let your guard down. Otherwise you may get swept off your feet…  I feel like my bond with Igor is growing deeper… ...We shall meet again in the near future. Time to go, Inmate!
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Jan 23, 2018 01:35
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Makoto's been my favourite character for a while so far, but Futaba is gaining on her fast.
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Tenebrais posted:Makoto's been my favourite character for a while so far, but Futaba is gaining on her fast. Not coincidentally, they're the two best characters in this game. Futaba's arc is kinda dumb but the actual character is goddamn amazing
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Jan 23, 2018 02:13
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Tenebrais posted:Makoto's been my favourite character for a while so far, but Futaba is gaining on her fast. Makoto and Futaba best girls, it is true.
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Makoto is best girl. But Futaba is my spirit animal.
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Pleasant Boy is loving pissed.
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Ann saved our lives by throwing Morgana so that we could land in his butt. Best girl.
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Jan 23, 2018 02:44
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ApplesandOranges posted:Ann saved our lives by throwing Morgana so that we could land in his butt. Best girl. Speaking of that scene, was that meant to be a Tenchi Muyo reference? It always seemed like it to me, but I genuinely don't know with this game.
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RickVoid posted:Makoto is best girl. 
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Based on that chat conversation, I would believe Futaba logged onto Medjed's Discord and yelled "BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH" until everyone doxxed themsevles in shame.
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Agreed on the whole, "Futaba's one of the best characters in the game, but her arc's only alright." Still, only alright still puts her well above several other team members, without even considering her character. Also it's still amazing that of the three modern Persona games, the one with the mega idol and renowned child detective is the most realistically grounded team. Futaba being Ms. Super Hollywood Hacker drops P5, and, uh, no words really need to be said about P3.
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Kevos Setzer posted:Based on that chat conversation, I would believe Futaba logged onto Medjed's Discord and yelled "im a gurl irl" until everyone doxxed themsevles in shame.
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Kevos Setzer posted:Based on that chat conversation, I would believe Futaba logged onto Medjed's Discord and yelled "BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH" until everyone doxxed themsevles in shame. Seconded. I do kinda hate how every is going "So Futaba, you're been a shut-in and had a large amount of mental trauma that turned you into a hikimori/shut-in, OBVIOUSLY the solution to help you get used to socializing is force you into a large series of uncomfortable situations with lots of expectation, stress, and people!" The portrayal of how people are so quick to go "yea that was scary let's give all power to this guy promising to keep us safe!" is pretty on the nose. And it makes me like Sojiro a lot more, you can tell his real opinion of it I feel even without him saying so. I wonder how much he "knows" about the group at this point.
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RedMagus posted:Seconded. She does have a very valid reason to join the group though as chances are sooner or later they are going to start dealing with the fuckers who killed her mother and she really wants to gently caress them up.
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Futaba earned her mod position in YOSPOS.
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RedMagus posted:Seconded. This game does oscillate rapidly in between "disturbingly on the nose" and "  ", doesn't it? I mean, its highs are quite high and I am generally on board with its messaging (heinous misogyny and homophobia notwithstanding), but all in all, it is probably the most uneven Persona game; P3 was solidly dependable in its existential angst, and P4, as has already pointed out, is probably the most grounded (although its liberal use of Idiot Plot and characterization which might charitably be described as wildly inconsistent damage my opinion of it in the long term). I might have to do some serious thinking as to whether I have a favorite among them, or if they're all such different experiences they can't be compared.But yes, we are in fact doing the "let's help this traumatized girl by dragging her into new experiences, and not by taking her to a therapist or letting her figure things out at her pace" thing, Lord help us. This will go swimmingly, I'm sure 
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I binged this lp a few weeks ago and the cliches and eye rolling plot moments would have seriously dragged this game down if it wasn’t so drat stylish and had such good music. Like, drat the aesthetic of this game is 95% of how good it is.
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And not helping is really inconsistent translation - I really wish the Japanese developers realize there's a reason why P4's translation was so well-received and didn't meddle. Like that block of text Sae gave, it's almost entirely incoherent, I had to scan it several times to figure out what she's trying to say.
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They didn't even ask if she wanted to do any of this poo poo, is the thing. It's a good sign when the plot to better integrate the new member has no input by the person in question!
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So Futaba created Arist posted:
She really is my spirit animal. 
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resurgam40 posted:But yes, we are in fact doing the "let's help this traumatized girl by dragging her into new experiences, and not by taking her to a therapist or letting her figure things out at her pace" thing, Lord help us. This will go swimmingly, I'm sure Except it will actually go swimmingly because A) this game doesn't actually understand mental illness at all, and B) they're going to the beach. 
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Are people somehow ignoring that it's not 'the game doesn't understand mental illness' and 'tbe gang (and Futaba herself) directly went into her mind/soul to resolve her issues? Like, are people going to start complaining 'UGH this game doesn't understand criminal psychology' because we made all these criminals regret their crimes and confess? For fucks sake.
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SloppyDoughnuts posted:Except it will actually go swimmingly because A) this game doesn't actually understand mental illness at all, and B) they're going to the beach. I'm just groaning because this is going to be the required Hot Spring Episode, isn't it?
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Epsilon Moonshade posted:
Ann hasn't been sexually assaulted in a minute here, and now there's two more women to abuse to boot!
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I say by the by all the time, but I'm kind of a weirdo, so 
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SloppyDoughnuts posted:Except it will actually go swimmingly because A) this game doesn't actually understand mental illness at all, and B) they're going to the beach. To quote the old Japanese anime cliche: UMI DA!
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I just spent the last week of June in-game levelling up all of my confidants (Strength is 5, Sun and Chariot are 8), paid for the holy stone, performed roughly 15 fusions and my coffers are now over 400k. All in the space of one night. Pretty cool huh, Arist-Chan? 
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Arist posted:
It's admittedly kind of an archaic phrase, but lots of humans have said that. It suits Igor a bit better than its #equivalent, BTdubs.
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LordNagash posted:Are people somehow ignoring that it's not 'the game doesn't understand mental illness' and 'the gang (and Futaba herself) directly went into her mind/soul to resolve her issues? I agree with this. Changes of heart are pretty drastic. And it's not like Futaba became super friendly from day 1.
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Closed-Down Pizza Parlor posted:I say by the by all the time, but I'm kind of a weirdo, so It's not that it's some alien wording no one who wasn't a reptilian would use. It's that it's kinda janky in that sentence. It'd fit more in a relaying information sense than someone talking about you, IMO.  "Oh and by the by, Mr. Inui wanted you to see him after school, so make sure you do that before leaving."Something like that. I dunno, I'm not great with grammar but that's what I'd think would sound normal. Blademaster_Aio posted:I agree with this. Personally I got the impression that it's more 'Well, we should try and actually get her caught up to speed with who we all are  And less, 'LET'S CURE FUTUBA'S MENTAL ISSUES YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY' RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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LordNagash posted:Are people somehow ignoring that it's not 'the game doesn't understand mental illness' and 'tbe gang (and Futaba herself) directly went into her mind/soul to resolve her issues? Not really? My complaint is more that they solved her guilt complex and helped her trauma, but they're still dragging this stranger who doesn't have a lot of social interaction out to weird new experiences without asking her if she's ok with that. It's them treating her like a thing, not like a person they want to get to know, if that makes sense? Anyway, end the derail, let's all get ready for a terrible force beach "Bikini Hunt" sequence much like P3s. Wacky hi-jinks amirite?
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RedMagus posted:Not really? My complaint is more that they solved her guilt complex and helped her trauma, but they're still dragging this stranger who doesn't have a lot of social interaction out to weird new experiences without asking her if she's ok with that. It's them treating her like a thing, not like a person they want to get to know, if that makes sense? they're a bunch of excitable teenagers with a new friend, what do you expect
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So Medjed really WAS a group of not-Anonymous? And Futaba defeated them just by hacking their homepage and doxxing one of them? Why does this entire subplot feel so damned underwhelming?  I just have trouble believing that not-Anonymous wouldn't act like a bigger rear end in a top hat in this case. I would've thought there'd be more shitposting and trolling on message boards, constant DDoS attacks on the Phan-site, or even doxxing Mishima.
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I think the implication is supposed to be that all the poo poo that made Mejed famous was all Futaba, and the current group using the name are basically just posers, so she's able to scare the poo poo out of them pretty easily. It definitely feels like a bit of a copout given the huge buildup over the past month though TheFlyingLlama fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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I mean, even in real life just random people, or some subgroup within the entirety of it, have aggrandized about something or another while using the name as if the whole group was involved, when in fact the vast majority haven't given a poo poo. Taken in that context it somewhat makes sense, that the other Japanese members are mediocre at best, while theoretically ones with actual good skills at this kind of thing in other countries never cared or participated in the first place. And all of this tends to be amplified by the media these days, which often seems to be lacking basic fact checking skills and just reports on whatever they receive without checking for how real it is. But yes, the biggest problem with this segment will always be just how falsely built up the threat was. It's way over the level where you'd expect to see some sort of major governmental, or even international, response to those threats, which really makes the whole arc incredibly ridiculous - even aside from it somewhat being filler as well.
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