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Yaws posted:Well then what? 
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Hodgepodge is cool Yaws fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 05:01
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Jan 22, 2018 05:02
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You know people complain about how this board's all pretentious scholarly types reading elaborate Marxist allegories into stupid spaceship movies, but I prefer that to GBS- Movie Version
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Jan 22, 2018 05:06
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Maxwell Lord posted:You know people complain about how this board's all pretentious scholarly types reading elaborate Marxist allegories into stupid spaceship movies, but I prefer that to GBS- Movie Version Hodgepodge is a smart Yaws fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 05:08
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Schwarzwald posted:Nearly the entirety of the First Order and Resistance ships are at play True for the resistance, not so for the FO. We're only seeing a small portion of the FO's fleet. A character at one point (I don't remember who, may have been Holdo) states that the FO is weeks from controlling the entire galaxy. In the movie we see one dreadnought, Snoke's super-dreadnought and like 5 regular star destroyers. They couldn't possibly control a galaxy with thousands of planets with that, especially with Starkiller Base destroyed. Then there's also what Poe says,when he insists on disobeying orders and attacking the dreadnought. He states "those things are fleet killers". His use of the plural implies that there are multiple of them, and only one is ever seen in the movies. Where'd they get the manpower and materials to construct a huge fleet? Who knows, but they did have 30 years to do it.
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Jan 22, 2018 05:11
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Maxwell Lord posted:You know people complain about how this board's all pretentious scholarly types reading elaborate Marxist allegories into stupid spaceship movies, but I prefer that to GBS- Movie Version What's that like?
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Jan 22, 2018 05:23
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Fhate posted:True for the resistance, not so for the FO. We're only seeing a small portion of the FO's fleet. A character at one point (I don't remember who, may have been Holdo) states that the FO is weeks from controlling the entire galaxy. It's Rey. Rey has no idea whether this is true or not. She's known about the wider galaxy for maybe two days at this point.
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Jan 22, 2018 05:35
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Yaws posted:The Last Jedi was a bad movie In dumb world I guess.
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Jan 22, 2018 12:05
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I'm glad that we've reached the hallowed discourse of "nuh-uh, movie good!"
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Jan 22, 2018 12:19
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CelticPredator posted:In dumb world I guess. Look around you.
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Jan 22, 2018 12:47
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Yaws posted:Hodgepodge is cool That .gif is cooler than I'll ever be. I'm comfortable with that though; lightsabers and polar bears are two things one does not step to.
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Jan 22, 2018 12:53
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Maxwell Lord posted:That's kind of a big difference, though. By the end of ESB the Rebels still had enough resources that in RotJ they were able to mount a last ditch assault on the Death Star II, and a huge space battle broke out. As of Episode IX the Resistance doesn't have two X-wings to rub together. That changes the scale. I always assumed the Rebellion had grown between ESB and RotJ. Their coalition is clearly more diverse by that point- they've brought in the gleep glorps and also some non-humans.
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Jan 22, 2018 17:51
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Where does "One Quarter Portion" guy go
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Jan 22, 2018 19:41
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Where does "One Quarter Portion" guy go Economic right-libertarian.
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Jan 22, 2018 20:59
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exquisite tea posted:Look around you. Movie's good on my end. Guess I don't live in that horrific land.
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Jan 22, 2018 23:09
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FuturePastNow posted:Whatever happened to Palpatine's red guards at the end of RotJ? I guess he sent them out of the room when Luke arrived, but surely they didn't go far. I think he said "bitches leave"
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Jan 23, 2018 12:16
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FuturePastNow posted:Whatever happened to Palpatine's red guards at the end of RotJ? I guess he sent them out of the room when Luke arrived, but surely they didn't go far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly7g8UBN9N8
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Jan 23, 2018 15:03
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Well that was unexpected.
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Jan 23, 2018 15:14
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Lmfao when Lando looks out the wind screen at him
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Jan 23, 2018 16:30
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A De-Feminised version of Star Wars wasn't enough, so I present to you: "Star Wars: The De-Science Fictioned Cut" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUeVyP1KgAU ... I removed all Sci-Fi/Fantasy from A New Hope. The movie runtime is now five and a bit minutes. As far as I can tell it's a family drama about going away to Academy where in the end everyone celebrates Luke shooting some rats. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 17:22
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Finally
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Jan 23, 2018 17:32
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The scene is Obiwan's house is terrific!
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Jan 23, 2018 21:40
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That and the kamikaze criticisms were interesting because they were pretty much explicitly 'I don't like that the film did new things'. No, that's not it at all, there is new stuff in every movie. The kamikaze attack annoys people because it renders so much of the previous films heroics and threats unnecessary and useless. If that trick works why wasn't it used to solve EVERY issue in all other movies?
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Jan 24, 2018 05:30
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504 posted:No, that's not it at all, there is new stuff in every movie. Sacrificing a capital ship like that isn't meant to be taken lightly.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:32
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Yeah generally one does not use kamikaze tactics when you are on the winning side.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:38
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Yeah, seems like doing a 1-for-1 capital ship swap via hyperdrive suicide wouldn't normally be worth it, but it demonstrates the hubris of making a giant gently caress-off ship like the supremacy; it can be destroyed in this way in a last-ditch effort, with some luck.
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Jan 24, 2018 05:38
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504 posted:No, that's not it at all, there is new stuff in every movie. This is just off the top of my head but: Episodes 1 through 3: Equally matched sides, why suicide bomb with a cruiser and to what end? 4 and 5: With what ship? They have fighters or transports only. 6: They are trying to kill the Death Star, killing almost everyone in the Rebellion one by one against Star Destroyers is a bad way to accomplish that. It didn't even kill the flagship the cruiser was aimed at in 8 so aiming at the bigger Star Destroyer wouldn't work either, and the Death Star is shielded anyway so I guess that doesn't work, idk. 7: With what ship? Any immediately available were destroyed by Starkiller Base. What did it render useless? RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 06:03
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Han Solo must be the dumbest pilot in the galaxy. Instead of getting those TIE fighters off Luke's back in A New Hope why didn't he just shoot through the Death Star's thermal exhaust port while in hyperspace???????????????????????????
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Jan 24, 2018 06:17
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Yaws posted:Sacrificing a capital ship like that isn't meant to be taken lightly. And as mentioned previously when this was brought up, the Raddus is about 2.5 times the size of a Star Destroyer. It's the largest ship we've seen the Rebels/Resistance field. So the size played a huge factor in the destruction caused. And that's a huge resource loss on a plan which might not work. As for "Why hasn't anyone put a hyperdrive on an asteroid?" Feasibly they could, but I'm guessing it would take a large enough drive/fuel to do it. Which puts it out of most terrorist/warmonger means. And something like that would require multiple jumps, something an opposing fleet could counter if needed. We saw that the Death Star appeared in the Yavin system, then had to orbit to get into position to blow up the moon, so while a hyperdrive can get you into a system, in some instances it's not exactly accurate enough to get you lined up perfectly in any fast timeframe.
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Yaws posted:Sacrificing a capital ship like that isn't meant to be taken lightly. Why do you think they would have used a capital ship on other occasions? A 3 mile hunk of rock cleansed earth of its lizard masters. Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah generally one does not use kamikaze tactics when you are on the winning side. You do when you are specifically setting out to make a terror weapon to destroy planets, also the rebels were not on the winning side. RBA Starblade posted:This is just off the top of my head but: How were the rebels and the empire equal? Why is everyone in the rebellion suddenly killing themselves? This universe is filled to the brim with autopilot and droids. I'm talking about the previous movies, but that point is irrelevant anyway, I'm sure there are more ships available.. somewhere in the universe... It rendered everything useless, why build the DS at all? an asteroid would have buggered Alderan (please no goofy EU answers) We actually see star destroyers get 9/11nd in Jedi, one fighter for an SSD seems a fairly good swap.. sure there were other circumstances but I'm sure such a massively effective technique would have become a much researched tactic. It pretty much the same deal as all the stupid "the force does what the plot wants it to do" powers in the old EU, so effective it should have just been done from the get go.
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Capital ships presumably cost an ungodly amount of resources. Just imagine they're real-world aircraft carriers. Way back when Games Workshop actually went and made an in-universe response to this sort of theoretical wanking by 40k fans: 
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Jan 24, 2018 07:07
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Neo Rasa posted:Han Solo must be the dumbest pilot in the galaxy. Instead of getting those TIE fighters off Luke's back in A New Hope why didn't he just shoot through the Death Star's thermal exhaust port while in hyperspace??????????????????????????? Because it couldn't, if he could have it would have been used in the movie. Also the movie specifically states the pilots have to travel down a trench and use proton torpedoes. Now if he had suddenly been able to do that to star killer base you would have a point.
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Teek posted:"Why hasn't anyone put a hyperdrive on an asteroid?" Feasibly they could, but I'm guessing it would take a large enough drive/fuel to do it. Which puts it out of most terrorist/warmonger means. Bettcha a dollar its cheaper than a death star (or two) Teek posted:And something like that would require multiple jumps, something an opposing fleet could counter if needed. We saw that the Death Star appeared in the Yavin system, then had to orbit to get into position to blow up the moon, so while a hyperdrive can get you into a system, in some instances it's not exactly accurate enough to get you lined up perfectly in any fast timeframe. Except for the dozens of times a ship is shown to have no issues what so ever jumping where eve it likes. Teek posted:And something like that would require multiple jumps, something an opposing fleet could counter if needed. Sure is lucky they know when and where the galaxy spanning empire is planning on throwing a rock from.
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Jan 24, 2018 07:11
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An effective lightspeed kamikaze needs you to be quite close to the target (so that you hit it while you're going super fast but haven't actually phased out yet) and of a decent size relative to the target. Holdo would've straight up failed if the FO hadn't been too busy shooting down all the little transports to focus fire her instead. If they'd been on their guard they could've just blown her ship up before it got into range and/or finished charging its drives.
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Hodgepodge posted:Capital ships presumably cost an ungodly amount of resources. Just imagine they're real-world aircraft carriers. this could almost be from star wars lol
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Jan 24, 2018 07:16
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Holdo was outside of the FO's weapon range, meaning there's no real risk in using the tactic or way for the enemy to stop you. And any complaints about it being inefficient are laughable. With one ship about the size of an old imperial ship you can take out an entire fleet of ships as big as the Executor (and the biggest ship in the franchise) when they were shielded. If WWII Kamikazes caused damage proportional to that the Japanese would have won the war. Considering the size ratios involved and the abysmal casualty rates the good guys suffer whenever they engage in battle conventionally it the vastly cheaper and more efficient tactic. It wouldn't be trading ship-for-ship, it would be trading something like an X-Wing for a Star Destroyer.
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Jan 24, 2018 09:19
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I don't know why everyone keeps saying that about X-wings, they are thousands of times smaller than the capital ship. I imagine a kamikaze attack would just result in the X-wing being smashed to pieces on a star destroyer's hull.
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galagazombie posted:Holdo was outside of the FO's weapon range, meaning there's no real risk in using the tactic or way for the enemy to stop you. And any complaints about it being inefficient are laughable. With one ship about the size of an old imperial ship you can take out an entire fleet of ships as big as the Executor (and the biggest ship in the franchise) when they were shielded. If WWII Kamikazes caused damage proportional to that the Japanese would have won the war. Considering the size ratios involved and the abysmal casualty rates the good guys suffer whenever they engage in battle conventionally it the vastly cheaper and more efficient tactic. It wouldn't be trading ship-for-ship, it would be trading something like an X-Wing for a Star Destroyer. Holdo was not outside of the range, as she stopped running and turned the ship around. The movie even has a character say "Shes turning around, do you want us to blast her?" and because Hux is a sadistic creep he says "No keep blasting the defenseless ships, she is just trying to distract us!" When it becomes obvious what Holdo is trying to do, the FO ppl are all yelling "AHH!! BLAST THE SHIP BEFORE IT DOES THE THING!" implying they could have stopped it if they werent too busy shooting down escape pods. edit: also the fathiers all had creepy human faces and were clearly intelligent creatures enslaved by rich ppl. they were framed the same as the stable slaves in the movie. Jerkface fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Fathiers are non-sentient. Tognath mercenaries ride Fathiers, and you can read about them in a comic Disney put out back in May. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Join_the_Resistance This is canon. E: Fathiers are also known as Space Horses.
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