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Side note: I love Devilman's hairpants.
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The amount of hair on bodies in Devilman is a blessing.
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Jan 23, 2018 23:12
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Bust Rodd posted:I feel like the reason I liked Crybaby so much is that whenever I try to get into an “Otaku” Anime I invariably meet a character whose role/motivations totally go over my head. I ask people “why is this cat witch girl so horny and annoying?” and they go “Oh that’s a Shoinjin (I made this word up), she’s the traditional horny cat witch it’s very Japanese.” and I just tank my interest immediately because I just doubt I’ll ever understand her role or why it matters. You're either an idiot, been talking to idiots or both
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Jan 24, 2018 05:22
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god i wish i was a Shoinjin (the traditional horny cat witch)
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Jan 24, 2018 05:44
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Is there one in Devilman and would it appear every loop  (joking aside, lmao at that post)
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Jan 24, 2018 06:08
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Sakurazuka posted:You're either an idiot, been talking to idiots or both Seems unfair to call a casual viewer an idiot because they're not familiar with cultural touchstones that are completely foreign to them.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:29
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Could have provided a more concrete example of a cultural touchstone that was hard to understand instead of something vague, made up, and dismissive
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Jan 24, 2018 06:45
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https://twitter.com/TheMachoPie/status/955594518035861504
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Jan 24, 2018 06:52
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Compendium posted:Could have provided a more concrete example of a cultural touchstone that was hard to understand instead of something vague, made up, and dismissive Well it's a cart before the horse problem, isn't it? If he could provide a concrete example it wouldn't be impenetrable.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:54
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so I started reading Violence Jack and that bit with Shingo and the tiger where the tiger rushes past Shingo and he just nuts so hard it shoots out his loincloth what the gently caress Go Nagai 
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Jan 24, 2018 06:57
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WHY IS THE TIGER'S TONGUE TURNING INTO A DONG WHAT IS GOING ON HERE
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Jan 24, 2018 07:00
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welp I just saw a woman getting tongue-hosed by a tiger this is... this is one of the most completely bonkers things I have ever read in my entire life
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Jan 24, 2018 07:01
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apparently when Violence Jack gets angry a giant loving eagle made of light shoots out of his chest
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Jan 24, 2018 07:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Seems unfair to call a casual viewer an idiot because they're not familiar with cultural touchstones that are completely foreign to them. I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to someone who accidentally posted 'ironic gamergater poo poo in the PS4 thread instead of GBS.
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Jan 24, 2018 07:12
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OH MY GOD JACK JUST TELEPORTED USING THE EAGLE e: HE JUST RESURRECTED THE TIGER, HOLY gently caress ZOMBIE TIGER
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Jan 24, 2018 07:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well it's a cart before the horse problem, isn't it? If he could provide a concrete example it wouldn't be impenetrable. you dont need to know the intricacies of japanese mythology and history to get that, say, naruto is a spy/assassin trainee in a world of spies and assassins and he has a fox demon sealed inside of him. thats all obvious from the context of the show, even if it's based in japanese mythology. i can think of very, very few anime that are so completely rooted in japanese mythology or history as to be impenetrable to someone who isn't passingly familiar, and even those shows provide at least some context clues.
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Jan 24, 2018 07:29
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The impenetrable cultural touchstone of sees a boobie -> gets a nosebleed
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Jan 24, 2018 07:38
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Endorph posted:why is something impenetrable if it uses a cultural touchstone Providing context clues really is the key point though, isn't it? Even if you knew absolutely nothing about ninjutsu or never even heard of it, Naruto goes out of its way to establish the rules of its own world in a way anyone could pick up on. When it comes to "very Japanese" stuff in anime, I think a lot of that comes down to genre conventions. Like, 'what's a tsundere and why would anyone want to be around one?' or 'why is every woman in this show making one loser the center of their lives?' A lot of that sort of stuff doesn't get explained and does require some meta knowledge, and even if you did get it that wouldn't necessarily make it any more appealing because it's all so niche. There's also the infamous [translator's note] for references and jokes that only make sense to somebody familiar with Japanese culture and history, which usually only ever get filled in by fansubbers.
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Compendium posted:Could have provided a more concrete example of a cultural touchstone that was hard to understand instead of something vague, made up, and dismissive It's really hard to tell why there would be a horny titty cat lady in a show what possible function could this serve
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Jan 24, 2018 08:01
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DisDisDis posted:It's really hard to tell why there would be a horny titty cat lady in a show and yet somehow, the cynic in me doesn't doubt this exists Although it just makes me think they watched a hentai
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Jan 24, 2018 08:09
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Providing context clues really is the key point though, isn't it? Even if you knew absolutely nothing about ninjutsu or never even heard of it, Naruto goes out of its way to establish the rules of its own world in a way anyone could pick up on. I mean, yes, but the point there wouldn't be 'this show has too much Japan in it,' it'd be that the show isn't providing context and grounding for its own rules and characters, which would be a flaw even if they weren't based in Japanese culture. So it reads like either he saw something Japanese and immediately unmoored himself from reality regardless of what the show was doing, or the show was poorly written and he for some reason hyperfocused on the fact that it had elements of Japanese culture in it instead of the fact that the characters weren't given reasonable motivations.
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Jan 24, 2018 08:16
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This isn’t really a concept that’s exclusive to ”highly japanese” works. Any work that fails to explain essential information based on the assumption you already know it based on the context of the work for example within the genre it belongs to is pretty flawed. It could be a point if you were talking about something within japanese culture as a larger concept not being explained, like historical facts anyone in japan could be assumed to know, if the work is primarily aimed for an audience within its country of production, but if you’re talking about tropes existing in this niche anime sphere the ”japaneseness” doesn’t excuse it. It’d just be bad fanfic level writing that can only sustain itself within a pre-existing media consuming community. I honestly think the works that aim to subvert these insular tropes are partially popular in the west because they open up these conventions of writing within an insular context by turning for example character types that are accepted at face value because the audience is familiar with them to characters that follow these types for well established reasons.
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Jan 24, 2018 08:39
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Yeah I think their point wasnt so much about japanese culture, but more about how creatively insular anime is. Drawing from the same pool of stock characters and scenes, generally being mired in the conventions without much critical thought into why these are the accepted conventions or how to effectively use them. Comfortable in the fact that if they have them theyll always have a audience. Granted thats a problem in multiple types of media all over the world but thanks to the extensive codification and identification of these tropes, and the extent of how insular the (most vocal? Most obvious? Largest? I dont know for real) anime audience is, its much more apparent in anime. Tl:dr Western media:Anime is as Rugged Everyman:Tsundere. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 09:36
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Compendium posted:and yet somehow, the cynic in me doesn't doubt this exists To be fair, the Monogatari series might not be the best newbie anime
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Jan 24, 2018 09:41
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Maybe that’s even a part why older, formative works in japanese media being readapted for modern audiences tend to gain so much traction in the west. While containing even older influence they’re less esoteric in their narrative content because they’re from so far back in the stack of the medium building upon itself. I think it’s really cool and I’d love to see a new push in raising awareness for the roots of the medium
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Jan 24, 2018 09:51
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DisDisDis posted:To be fair, the Monogatari series might not be the best newbie anime  Or more appropriately, slowpoke emote for me
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Jan 24, 2018 10:49
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Compendium posted:and yet somehow, the cynic in me doesn't doubt this exists weirdly there's a horny cat witch in Soul Eater. the shoinjin... exists?!
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Jan 24, 2018 12:24
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 As a European, I just can't penetrate this wall of American customs
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Jan 24, 2018 12:40
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[translator's note: it is extremely uncouth in America for a white person to really want to say the N-word]
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Jan 24, 2018 14:02
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Terper posted:
instead of a horny cat lady they have a crazy cat lady
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Jan 24, 2018 14:10
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 Why is the guy on the right so mean, the dude in glasses hasn't done anything wrong?
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Jan 24, 2018 14:45
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He's clearly a rowdy yanki
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Jan 24, 2018 14:49
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I've never met a European that found Seinfeld funny so maybe he's onto something.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:apparently when Violence Jack gets angry a giant loving eagle made of light shoots out of his chest I still don't know if he's Amon or Akira or some combination of them or some kind of copy soul or WHAT, WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON GO NAGAI?
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Jan 24, 2018 14:53
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Granted thats a problem in multiple types of media all over the world but thanks to the extensive codification and identification of these tropes, and the extent of how insular the (most vocal? Most obvious? Largest? I dont know for real) anime audience is, its much more apparent in anime. It is the demand for anime that really heightens the disparity. Like, imagine some foreigner trying to be a fan of American right wing media, and trying to wrap their head around why there's such a euphoric reverence for the Founding Fathers. Japanese historical fiction at least tends to be irreverent of their historical figures, which is why they work as fiction since there isn't any pressure to be true to some originalist interpretation.
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Jan 24, 2018 15:06
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It's actually insanely easy to understand why right wing media in any country would fawn over people literally called The People Who Founded This Country I think
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Jan 24, 2018 15:08
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DisDisDis posted:It's actually insanely easy to understand why right wing media in any country would fawn over people literally called The People Who Founded This Country I think All American media then.
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Jan 24, 2018 18:18
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Touching Devilman's titty like that is a bit intimate. Do you reckon Mazinger is a big ol gay too
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Sakurazuka posted:The impenetrable cultural touchstone of sees a boobie -> gets a nosebleed I was very confused when Kanji got a nosebleed in persona 4 and the girls were freaking out
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