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Feels Villeneuve posted:Wow. Sounds like another insufferable crap from the Scum Boys. Nice edit
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Tsaedje posted:Are you counting "Tag Heuer"? Red Bull finishing behind McLaren and Renault would please me Yes, I mean all three Renault teams. Imo, it's going to be interesting. All the Renault teams have very good funding, I guess Red Bull and Renault are on par (maybe Renault even has a bigger budget?), I don't know about Mr-No-Main-Sponsor McLaren, but they also should have a good war chest, allthough I guess the missing Honda money hurts. (e: allthough that missing money shouldn't influence this years car too much) All three teams have a very solid driver lineup, with one experienced driver ranging from solid (Hulkenberg) to very fast (Ricciardio, especially if break-bombing) to one of the best on the grid (Alonso). All three have drat fast and very intelligent younger drivers, a very disciplined Vandoorne, a slightly less disciplined Sainz and a semi-lunatic Verstappen who imo learned that he can't solve every situation with the proverbial crowbar. All three have a very good pitwall with lots of experience. I am unsure about the engineering side...Red Bull has a very solid engineering department that struggled a bit last year with the windtunnel problems, McLaren seems to have built a very good chassis last year, and it's hard to say how much old Lotus ballast was still in the Renault team. One of the three is the works team, the other is the team known for awesome chassis, the third one has to prove that they are still a top team and that it was just Honda dragging them down. Imo, the Renault-team battle will be interesting! e: also, doesn't Renault now have Mr-Know-it-All from the FIA? Should pay off next year, maybe? tuo fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Red Bull's cars always initially start out slow and develop later. McLaren is in huge poo poo if they aren't faster than them out of the box.
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McLaren's owners are injecting money to make up for the lack of sponsorship, so that's not hurting them currently, but they can't do that forever.
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I would guess that Red Bull have a bigger budget than Renault to be honest. Im not sure why I think that but since Renault manufactures actual vehicles that people drive and Red Bull manufactures 2 cents worth of energy drink in 8 dollar cans then I feel that they can be more flippant with the money. That's assuming they both care about their respective F1 teams equally of course.
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Gonna be interesting to see what the "We got out in time"-quote from Honda really means. Normally, Japanese people/companies don't engage in bad-mouthing others/FUD, or am I wrong? IIRC; it was something like "everybody is nervous in Woking due to the new car beeing a completely new development stage. We (Honda) got out in time." Wasn't it something along those lines? Then again, I remember a certain Lotus engineer telling the world that "we are seeing numbers in the windtunnel which are awesome, and we couldn't believe them ourselves" before putting the tusk-monster on track...so....yeah.... tuo fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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wicka posted:McLaren's owners are injecting money to make up for the lack of sponsorship, so that's not hurting them currently, but they can't do that forever. They should try injecting AIDS drugs because McLaren has AIDS
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Feels Villeneuve posted:They should try injecting AIDS drugs because McLaren has AIDS "Money"
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1500quidporsche posted:Red Bull's cars always initially start out slow and develop later. McLaren is in huge poo poo if they aren't faster than them out of the box. McLaren are better than any other team on the grid at development over a season, they're just also very good at starting out from a hilariously poo poo position. Red Bull had some problem with their suspension I think last season, which meant they took a leap forward when they finally sorted it out, but didn't really improve after that and finished comfortably behind Ferrari. They can't keep begging Newey to come back and sort it out every season.
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Gigi Galli posted:I would guess that Red Bull have a bigger budget than Renault to be honest. Im not sure why I think that but since Renault manufactures actual vehicles that people drive and Red Bull manufactures 2 cents worth of energy drink in 8 dollar cans then I feel that they can be more flippant with the money. They really had to slash staff towards the end of the Lotus years and Renault have had to build things up again at Enstone. It's a bit like how it took a couple of seasons before Mercedes could get Brackley firing on all cylinders after Ross had to get rid of everyone to keep the team going at all.
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Lol y'all remember when McLaren was good? Whew that's never happening again!
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The McLaren-Honda fallout wasn't that bad, tbh. RBR has treated Renault way worse.
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Tsaedje posted:
IIRC, they had problems with the windtunnel data not relating with what happened on track, plus parts of their suspension where banned pre-season, weren't they? They said that sorting out the windtunnel problems helped a lot...unless that was just a cover-up for something else.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The McLaren-Honda fallout wasn't that bad, tbh. RBR has treated Renault way worse. The Honda execs apparently really wanted the McLaren thing to work, if the engine came good I could see McLaren taking them in the future.
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tuo posted:IIRC, they had problems with the windtunnel data not relating with what happened on track, plus parts of their suspension where banned pre-season, weren't they? They said that sorting out the windtunnel problems helped a lot...unless that was just a cover-up for something else. That's the long story. The short story is that Newey was busy designing boats and road cars and wasn't around to tell everyone what to do.
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Schlesische posted:That's the long story. Red Bull cars are like Schrödinger's Cat as off late. They are designed by Newey and are not designed by Newey at the same time when you listen to Red Bull (depending on what works best in the current press release/interview), up until Barcelona tests...then they decide wether it's a Newey car or it isn't.
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I drove past McLaren’s new northern base today. It does not look like the pretty pictures. https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/mclaren-sheffield-facility-amrc-innovation-district-100m-uk-economy-1.679675 Ron would be turning in his grave, it’s a horrible grey box, but instead of oddly uniform fountains it’s surrounded by concrete and the M1 which means every surface on the inside will get a daily coating of that weird sticky yellow M1 dust. Quite why the everloving gently caress you would want to build precision car components 20ft away from something absolutly chucking out pollutants is completely beyond me.
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British manufacturing facility? Poorly designed? Well I never.
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learnincurve posted:I drove past McLaren’s new northern base today. It does not look like the pretty pictures. https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/mclaren-sheffield-facility-amrc-innovation-district-100m-uk-economy-1.679675 Their Woking base isn't much to look at, it's only when you park up, go down the lifts, walk down the 100 metre long looking Bond villain corridors, go up another lift and stagger to reception that you think "ok, this is pretty cool"
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tuo posted:Red Bull cars are like Schrödinger's Cat as off late. They are designed by Newey and are not designed by Newey at the same time when you listen to Red Bull (depending on what works best in the current press release/interview), up until Barcelona tests...then they decide wether it's a Newey car or it isn't. This wasn't coming directly from Red Bull. It was coming out of a bunch of sources even before Barcelona that Newey hadn't spent as much time on this car as he had on previous cars due to other commitments. Then the car turned out to be a bit of a dog and Red Bull doubled down on that stub of a story.
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Red Bull has always had lovely initial cars. Outside of like 2010/2011. It's been a consistent problem.
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harperdc posted:If there’s ever anything Japanese market you need let me know. Thanks, although I am hoping to keep it just down to the 60 or so UK ones because... well.... 
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They've now decided that Liberty have 'brought a new culture of transparency to the sport and illustrate willingness to debate fundamental issues' and they are 'encouraged and reassured by the even-handed and fair negotiating approach taken by the new management'
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tuo posted:Gonna be interesting to see what the "We got out in time"-quote from Honda really means. A lot of unwanted pregnancies in Japan.
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ferrari sucks
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Dubs posted:ferrari sucks It's true
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Ferrari owns.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Ferrari owns a bad Formula 1 team.
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Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good, yes.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Ferrari owns. This is a fantastic post op. Possibly the best post in this thread.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Ferrari owns. doesnt even have a title sponsor lol
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I've recently learned that title sponsors are actually bullshit and that the key is to get Major Partners in order to protect your brand
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I've recently learned that title sponsors are actually bullshit and that the key is to get Major Partners in order to protect your brand Hell yeah
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good, yes. Ferrari: Bad to the Bone
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Dubs posted:ferrari sucks Tsaedje posted:It's true POCKET CHOMP posted:Ferrari owns. track day bro! posted:This is a fantastic post op. Possibly the best post in this thread. Dubs posted:doesnt even have a title sponsor lol Only stupid idiot teams run by losers need title sponsors. Cool teams like Scuderia Ferrari get paid by FOM because they are the greatest team in the history of grand prix racing GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I've recently learned that title sponsors are actually bullshit and that the key is to get Major Partners in order to protect your brand
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DoctorGonzo posted:Only stupid idiot teams run by losers need title sponsors. Cool teams like Scuderia Ferrari get paid by FOM because they are the greatest team in the history of grand prix racing #DamnItsTrue
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More accurately, they are paid clandestinely by cigarette companies.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I've recently learned that title sponsors are actually bullshit and that the key is to get Major Partners in order to protect your brand yeah nah
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track day bro! posted:This is a fantastic post op. Possibly the best post in this thread. It is, and the most correct.
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