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DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Nina posted:

Touching Devilman's titty like that is a bit intimate. Do you reckon Mazinger is a big ol gay too

He's touching his SHOULDER god stop pushing homosexuality on innocent robots

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Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Breast fire :pervert:

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



Crabtree posted:

I still don't know if he's Amon or Akira or some combination of them or some kind of copy soul or WHAT, WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON GO NAGAI?

Wait is Violence Jack a Devilman story? I thought it was completely separate.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Everything Nagai does is a Devilman story eventually

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

100 degrees Calcium posted:

Wait is Violence Jack a Devilman story? I thought it was completely separate.

Violence Jack is the Dark Tower of Go Nagai, everything shows up there

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)
Apocalypse of Devilman sucks specifically because Devilman has weird chitin pants instead of hair pants

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince

Nina posted:

Apocalypse of Devilman sucks specifically because Devilman has weird chitin pants instead of hair pants

"worst piece of devilman media we've seen so far
Crybaby Akira: Hair pants, super gay
Amon Akira: Dumb pants, a filthy straightie"

quoting this from you as we watched because it's a better description than i'd ever come up with

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

Nina posted:

Touching Devilman's titty like that is a bit intimate. Do you reckon Mazinger is a big ol gay too

It is now.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009
Is this the first adaptation that covers the ending or is there an OVA that I can compare Crybaby's ending to?

Nina
Oct 9, 2016

Invisible werewolf (entirely visible, not actually a wolf)
afaik Crybaby is the first adaptation that actually goes from the beginning to the end

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
Amon is sort of near the ending, but it doesn't actually reach the ending stuff so it just ends up being a toothless vertical slice of the story that lacks in pathos and feels like a pointless combat scene.

I don't completely hate it, but it's the least enthused I've been from the 3 adaptations I've seen so far (the other two being the OVAs and Crybaby, of course)

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Compendium posted:

Could have provided a more concrete example of a cultural touchstone that was hard to understand instead of something vague, made up, and dismissive

Would female characters who are "yandere" count? That's like a trope character in a lot of anime where a regular anime viewer would be like "oh it's the yandere character type" but a new watcher would be like "why the hell this girl be so crazy?"

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Obsession turned dark is hardly new to western media.

As in, it is really old.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
I would say that very much depends on the series. Going along with the yandere example, Kaede from Shuffle is kind of confusing unless you know Japanese nerds get a boner for crazy girls, because she's kind of just a random horror villain that got shoehorned into a harem comedy series. Yuno from Mirai Nikki, on the other hand, is one of the two protags of the series, so a *lot* of time gets spent on her mental state and the reasons for it, and I could see someone watching the show who's totally unfamiliar with the trope still being able to comprehend her deal just fine.

Same with tsunderes: Asuka from Evangelion is generally considered a tsundere, but she's a lot less immediately "what the gently caress"-inducing than your average Rie Kugimiya character.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Ccs posted:

Would female characters who are "yandere" count? That's like a trope character in a lot of anime where a regular anime viewer would be like "oh it's the yandere character type" but a new watcher would be like "why the hell this girl be so crazy?"
hrm, yes, obsessive, clingy girls, that's a concept westerners would have no grasp of



Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I would say that very much depends on the series. Going along with the yandere example, Kaede from Shuffle is kind of confusing unless you know Japanese nerds get a boner for crazy girls, because she's kind of just a random horror villain that got shoehorned into a harem comedy series. Yuno from Mirai Nikki, on the other hand, is one of the two protags of the series, so a *lot* of time gets spent on her mental state and the reasons for it, and I could see someone watching the show who's totally unfamiliar with the trope still being able to comprehend her deal just fine.

Same with tsunderes: Asuka from Evangelion is generally considered a tsundere, but she's a lot less immediately "what the gently caress"-inducing than your average Rie Kugimiya character.
some shows are well written, and some shows are poorly written.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Anime fans realize that the medium is strange of strange tropes they take as given, and in denial try to argue that yandere is a respectable storytelling tradition stretching back to Elizabethan theatre because Ophelia is mad.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
Lady Macbeth did love murder

Cheap Diner Coffee
Aug 7, 2010

Philistine.
Whom Amongst Us

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
I think your average viewer can see a yandere show and won't need a history on the trope in the medium to understand 'this woman is crazy.' Now if somethings making repeated jokes using the term and they don't understand what it means they might have to google it but that's sort of a given when you watch stuff in a language/from a culture you're unfamiliar with. Its hardly unique to watching anime.

Bloodyshinta1
Aug 6, 2010
I think this guy watched the equivalent of some straight to video Skinnemax smutty garbage and decided thats what all anime is

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
It's not hard to figure out what the purpose of the horny catgirl in the porn vhs is though

Bloodyshinta1
Aug 6, 2010
is he talking about sailor moon then? i dont remember that cat being horny though

*nvm that was a girl cat not a cat girl

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince

DisDisDis posted:

It's not hard to figure out what the purpose of the horny catgirl in the porn vhs is though

Please elaborate.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

Preoders for the bluray box are now up, ANN details the contents here: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-01-24/devilman-crybaby-blu-ray-includes-vinyl-original-soundtrack/.126782

most importantly it has english subtitles!!!

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Xinder posted:

Please elaborate.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
https://twitter.com/devilmanconfess/status/953140912749621248

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince

ngl i annoyed my gf saying that like...at least once per episode

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
Merging with a demon also makes you pull off the bra under open shirt look really well so sign me the gently caress up

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
if fusing with a demon let me grow like four inches taller and bigger breasts, Hell The gently caress Yeah

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince

Expect My Mom posted:

if fusing with a demon let me grow like four inches taller and bigger breasts, Hell The gently caress Yeah

I actually don't think it grew her breasts any bigger. They were big honkers already, she just seemed more confident about them after.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Expect My Mom posted:

if fusing with a demon let me grow like four inches taller and bigger breasts, Hell The gently caress Yeah

Hm, I'd be 6'4 which would suck, but on the other hand I'd have big breasts

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Miko's big boobs are the first thing that gets commented on after she's introduced by the guy in the bleachers.


DisDisDis posted:

I think your average viewer can see a yandere show and won't need a history on the trope in the medium to understand 'this woman is crazy.' Now if somethings making repeated jokes using the term and they don't understand what it means they might have to google it but that's sort of a given when you watch stuff in a language/from a culture you're unfamiliar with. Its hardly unique to watching anime.

That's also a big part of why people don't like watching foreign media, because they don't want to have to do research to "get" it. The reason we're talking specifically about anime is because this is the anime forum. If you have to have a joke explained to you, then it's not really funny.

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jan 25, 2018

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
i felt like they got bigger, if not then what's the point of getting possessed

also i dunno, people like googling stuff. I was reading the wikipedia article on Jorōgumos and other related articles for like 30 minutes the other day cause it came up in a game i was playing

DisDisDis posted:

Hm, I'd be 6'4 which would suck, but on the other hand I'd have big breasts
this is how the math works out for me too, and i say, it's good

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

dogsicle posted:

Preoders for the bluray box are now up, ANN details the contents here: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-01-24/devilman-crybaby-blu-ray-includes-vinyl-original-soundtrack/.126782

most importantly it has english subtitles!!!

quote:

The whole set retails for 32,400 yen (US$295). Pre-orders close on May 21.

Who spends that much money on 10 episodes?

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
Welcome to Japanese bluray prices

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
People were saying anime is this uniquely byzantine self referential medium when that's not really the case with a few notable exceptions. (similar to like, family guy and south park existing in american popculture) I think the tropes work without explanation being necessary most of the time. My point is exactly that htis is common to foreign media in general lol. Whether or not I think yandere ref jokes are funny I think it's dumb to say a joke isn't funny because it requires a certain cultural context a viewer might lack.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

DisDisDis posted:

People were saying anime is this uniquely byzantine self referential medium when that's not really the case with a few notable exceptions. (similar to like, family guy and south park existing in american popculture) I think the tropes work without explanation being necessary most of the time. My point is exactly that htis is common to foreign media in general lol. Whether or not I think yandere ref jokes are funny I think it's dumb to say a joke isn't funny because it requires a certain cultural context a viewer might lack.

Nobody said all of anime is byzantine, just that there's a clear difference between international anime and "otaku" anime, with the latter being more insular and requiring special knowledge to fully appreciate. Maybe the people denying that there is such a thing as otaku anime - are the otaku.
:thunk:


Expect My Mom posted:

i felt like they got bigger, if not then what's the point of getting possessed

She gets taller and leaner, with a body more suited to running because she can swim through the air like the other devilmen. Her demonic body is more suitable to her own dream of becoming a track & field star.

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DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
no one is denying this lol

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