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Eh, I would take the position that viciousness is the appropriate response on some occasions, rare ones, but they are there. Some people, ideas, and institutions are exceptionally detestable and all three appear present in this case. It is entirely possible for hatred of the perpetrators to be motivated by an affinity for the ideals they ignore or the people they hurt, and that's a form of empathy.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'm glad you have your priorities straight. Sure, this may have been a monster who systematically abused young girls and women for decades without repercussion until now, ruining countless number of lives, but the important thing is to remember that the real victim here is the guy who's going to have to face consequences for his actions, and that inconveniencing him and hurting his feelings is what's truly beyond the pale here. He is going to die in American Pen whether the sentence is 100 years or 100,000,000.
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OwlFancier posted:Eh, I would take the position that viciousness is the appropriate response on some occasions, rare ones, but they are there. Some people, ideas, and institutions are exceptionally detestable and all three appear present in this case. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'm glad you have your priorities straight. Sure, this may have been a monster who systematically abused young girls and women for decades without repercussion until now, ruining countless number of lives, but the important thing is to remember that the real victim here is the guy who's going to have to face consequences for his actions, and that inconveniencing him and hurting his feelings is what's truly beyond the pale here. At what point did I ever express sympathy to Nassar?
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Jan 24, 2018 21:24
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The Muppets On PCP posted:similar to sports revenue, donations accrue to a handful of schools This was the article I was thinking of that explained all the different kinds of peripheral revenue colleges get from athletics, which aren't necessarily counted as "athletic revenue" : quote:athletic departments aren't supposed to report revenue that is generated outside of the sports it sponsors. For example, if an athletic department owns a golf course that is open to the public, it wouldn't report the revenue from the golf course, even though it's real revenue deposited in the department's bank account. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/2017/06/12/the-biggest-misconceptions-about-the-finances-of-college-sports/#5dbb808a366f Athletic programs survive (in part) because they're cash cows for the college or university as a whole, often in indirect ways that aren't on the official books of the athletic department.
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Bird in a Blender posted:At what point did I ever express sympathy to Nassar? I wouldn't sweat it, all 3 posts in this thread by that poster are terrible. Hieronymous Alloy posted:This was the article I was thinking of that explained all the different kinds of peripheral revenue colleges get from athletics, which aren't necessarily counted as "athletic revenue" : Athletics are a huge recruiter for colleges and universities. My alma mater has grown by leaps and bounds in the decade since I left, both in enrollment and on-campus infrastructure and I would attribute 90% of it to the success of the basketball team over the past 15 years. Mahoning fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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revenue is cool but it’s built on a foundation of rape and sexual predation so i d g a f burn it the gently caress down
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stone cold posted:burn it the gently caress down And salt the earth.
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Good https://twitter.com/freep/status/956285391023190022
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Does anybody remember a few years ago a relatively prominent gymnastics coach (I don't remember when or at what level) was exposed as a child molester? There were a lot of rumors about it being a fairly widespread problem that people were burying under the rug. I wonder if that's going to explode in the wake of Nassar's sentencing.
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Bird in a Blender posted:At what point did I ever express sympathy to Nassar? Bird in a Blender posted:Imagine spending the remainder of your life in solitary, that poo poo is psychological torture. His victims have to spend the rest of their lives with the psychological torture of what Nassar did to them. He deserves no better.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Does anybody remember a few years ago a relatively prominent gymnastics coach (I don't remember when or at what level) was exposed as a child molester? There were a lot of rumors about it being a fairly widespread problem that people were burying under the rug. I wonder if that's going to explode in the wake of Nassar's sentencing. I think you're remembering the Nassar case when it originally broke in 2016.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Does anybody remember a few years ago a relatively prominent gymnastics coach (I don't remember when or at what level) was exposed as a child molester? There were a lot of rumors about it being a fairly widespread problem that people were burying under the rug. I wonder if that's going to explode in the wake of Nassar's sentencing. I think you're thinking of Bela Karolyi but he was 'just' physically abusive. Back in 2008 Dominique Moceanu accused him and his wife both of physical and mental abuse, and its well-known Karolyi was a dick, mocking girls for their weight and forcing them train while injured etc. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/23/sports/sp-karolyi23 Looks like she's suing them now as well. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17896649/former-national-team-gymnast-alleges-abuse-doctor-karolyis (She's a Jane Doe in here but yeah, you can probably guess given the previous article who it is). Oracle fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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exploded mummy posted:I think you're remembering the Nassar case when it originally broke in 2016. Maybe, but I'm pretty sure it was longer ago because I remember thinking the same thing when Nassar first came to light, and it wasn't someone at the national level.
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Yeah several years ago Dominique Moceanu pretty much came out and said the Karolyis were abusive. She just tweeted out a screenshot the other day of an email she got at the time from that one national team coach who just resigned this week, accusing her of betraying the sport that made her a star. The balls on that guy. He’s one of the next ones up against the wall.
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Mahoning posted:Yeah several years ago Dominique Moceanu pretty much came out and said the Karolyis were abusive. She just tweeted out a screenshot the other day of an email she got at the time from that one national team coach who just resigned this week, accusing her of betraying the sport that made her a star. The Karolyis definitely knew what was going on with Nassar and groomed his victims for him. It's disgusting and they should spend their lives in jail as well.
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C. Everett Koop posted:His victims have to spend the rest of their lives with the psychological torture of what Nassar did to them. He deserves no better. That still isn't expressing empathy for him. That's saying "imagine being alone for the rest of your life in a room with nothing to do except eat every so often. That's what this fucker is going to go through."
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lol good job Brian Breslin, that statement is gonna keep looking worse and worse as this keeps up https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/dianne-byrum-larry-nassar-victims/1063533001/ quote:2nd trustee calls for MSU president to resign https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/msu-board-succession-simon/1062864001/ quote:Sources: MSU Board of Trustees working on succession plan for Simon exit
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seiferguy posted:That still isn't expressing empathy for him. That's saying "imagine being alone for the rest of your life in a room with nothing to do except eat every so often. That's what this fucker is going to go through." The whole post was complaining about the sentence Nasser received. It was expressing empathy to a person who absolutely doesn't deserve it.
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C. Everett Koop posted:The whole post was complaining about the sentence Nasser received. It was expressing empathy to a person who absolutely doesn't deserve it. You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're a loving idiot, or both. The whole post was 'end result this guy is going to spend the rest of his life tortured in solitary'.
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C. Everett Koop posted:The whole post was complaining about the sentence Nasser received. It was expressing empathy to a person who absolutely doesn't deserve it. You’ve added absolutely nothing to this thread, have poor reading comprehension skills, and are so dumb or naive that your solution to all of this was “don’t allow men to have positions of power over women” completely ignoring that young boys are victims just as often. Just gently caress off and quit making GBS threads up this thread.
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Mahoning posted:your solution to all of this was “don’t allow men to have positions of power over women” completely ignoring that young boys are victims just as often. Also ignored that going up the chain of command many of the people who did absolutely nothing to help the victims were women in this situation.
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Hey everyone, I have an idea: perhaps we could not torture anyone, even people who really deserve it.
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If there's one thing that 2017 has shown, it's that (white) women will absolutely participate in being complicit in the cover-up of horrific crimes if it benefits them personally.
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seiferguy posted:If there's one thing that 2017 has shown, it's that (white) women will absolutely participate in being complicit in the cover-up of horrific crimes if it benefits them personally. a cool and good comment to make to these white women  Marie Anderson, swimmer posted:My parents, who had my best interest at heart, will forever have to live with the fact that they continually brought their daughter to a sexual predator, and were in the room as he assaulted me.  McKayla Maroney, gymnast and two-time Olympic medalist posted:I had a dream to go to the Olympics, and the things that I had to endure to get there were unnecessary and disgusting.  Amanda Thomashow, Michigan State student posted:I reported it. Michigan State University, the school I loved and trusted, had the audacity to tell me that I did not understand the difference between sexual assault and a medical procedure. like i get the complicity of white women but you do realize that since some victims were white women, some of them were (white) women, right? e: awkward phrasing stone cold fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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PT6A posted:Hey everyone, I have an idea: perhaps we could not torture anyone, even people who really deserve it. I think you either believe torture/prison abuse is wrong in all cases and without exception, or you don't. If you want to claim to be against torture on principle then you need to somehow come to terms with people like Nasser spending the rest of their lives in Norwegian-style prisons without getting murdered/raped/driven insane by loneliness. Personally I think it's easier to jump on the bandwagon of 'gently caress that guy, I hope a guard lets him get beaten to death' than it is to say despite his crimes he should still be treated like a human being. I'm just thankful that not being/knowing one of his victims makes it easy for me to stick to my principles, which is selfish of me but there you go. I hope now that he's finally been caught justice catches up to all those who covered up his crimes.
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stone cold posted:a cool and good comment to make to these white women Jesus, you’re one of those “not all white people are racist!” folks aren’t you? Like, we can be adults and talk about the complicity of white women in large cover ups and scandals without condemning all white women, especially the victims. Christ.
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Knock the slapfight off people.
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GobiasIndustries posted:You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're a loving idiot, or both. The whole post was 'end result this guy is going to spend the rest of his life tortured in solitary'. No, the post was whining about the sentencing. Nasser getting hundreds of years instead of just "life" is the entire point of his sentence, to make it explicitly clear the amount of damage he had systemically done to these women. To just say "yeah, you assaulted a lot of women but you've probably only got about 20-30 years left so that's all you get" is to miss the point. As for whining about psychological damage of isolation, it pales in comparison to the psychological damage that Nasser committed. What I always find interesting is that whenever a white male commits a particularly heinous crime, such as Nasser here or Anders Brevik or Dylan Roof or the rest, a certain crowd always comes out and complains about the sentence they receive being "cruel and inhumane." Because, of course, the most important thing to do in the face inhumane acts is to make sure that certain feelings aren't hurt.
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C. Everett Koop posted:No, the post was whining about the sentencing. Nasser getting hundreds of years instead of just "life" is the entire point of his sentence, to make it explicitly clear the amount of damage he had systemically done to these women. To just say "yeah, you assaulted a lot of women but you've probably only got about 20-30 years left so that's all you get" is to miss the point. As for whining about psychological damage of isolation, it pales in comparison to the psychological damage that Nasser committed. you called obama “king hussein,” and “blackface reagan”
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Simon is out at MSU  https://twitter.com/GaryMiles_DN/status/956348976328052736
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GobiasIndustries posted:Simon is out at MSU good now burn her, and the administration at MSU down burn it all down
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GobiasIndustries posted:Simon is out at MSU Looks like she didn't put any blame on herself at all
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Henchman of Santa posted:Looks like she didn't put any blame on herself at all Oh definitely not, I wouldn't have expected her to. We'll never know how much she did or didn't know but either way she had to leave, when both Senators and the state House are telling you to gently caress off, might as well just rip the bandaid off.
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GobiasIndustries posted:Simon is out at MSU Good first step. Now file charges.
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The only way I’d let up even a little bit on my opinion that she should rot in prison alongside Nassar is if she used her excellent fundraising skills (that the Board of Trustees can’t shut up about in the face of a massive sexual assault coverup scandal) to set up a fund for victims for ongoing therapy or, gently caress it, if they wanna buy a house in Maui for all I care.
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Put a phone in her cell and let her make calls to donors from there.
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C. Everett Koop posted:No, the post was whining about the sentencing. Nasser getting hundreds of years instead of just "life" is the entire point of his sentence, to make it explicitly clear the amount of damage he had systemically done to these women. To just say "yeah, you assaulted a lot of women but you've probably only got about 20-30 years left so that's all you get" is to miss the point. As for whining about psychological damage of isolation, it pales in comparison to the psychological damage that Nasser committed. It wasn't, the person who posted it said it wasn't what they said, several other posters have told you that you are misinterpreting the post but ok sure. Keep being stupid about this.
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