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pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
I don't know what the law in Denmark was and don't want to google it at work, either, but I do know that among certain advocates of sexual liberation, sexual acts with children were not believed to be harmful *as long as the child was apparently willing*. It's possible that existing child abuse laws would have covered cases in which children were violently raped or otherwise physically hurt, but not cases in which they appeared to be a willing participant.

Also, in the many years I've spent on the internet, I've seen - by accident! - a handful of images of such "willing" children, and I hate all of these people and want to vomit just thinking about the things they did to kids in the name of sexual liberation.

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shelley
Nov 8, 2010

chernobyl kinsman posted:

not too long ago a guy on the unresolved mysteries subreddit wrote an entire post about how he thought there was a serial killer in toronto targeting gay men. guess he was right

neat, would you mind linking it? sounds like an interesting read

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



chernobyl kinsman posted:

not too long ago a guy on the unresolved mysteries subreddit wrote an entire post about how he thought there was a serial killer in toronto targeting gay men. guess he was right

Hasn't someone in this very thread been speculating about a serial killer in Phoenix (or was it Albuquerque) or something, as well?

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


On an irrelevant note this reminds of that issue of the Punisher where he executes a defenceless husband and wife in their own home, for the crime of producing pornography with their children. Gruesome and unpleasant, but he's still more moral than Batman.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Inspector Gesicht posted:

On an irrelevant note this reminds of that issue of the Punisher where he executes a defenceless husband and wife in their own home, for the crime of producing pornography with their children. Gruesome and unpleasant, but he's still more moral than Batman.

Batman actually engineered a coup in order to stop an entire country of child pornographers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Ultimate_Evil

What could be more moral than a rich American engaging in state-building abroad by funding and helping a violent revolutionary force?

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Proteus Jones posted:

Hasn't someone in this very thread been speculating about a serial killer in Phoenix (or was it Albuquerque) or something, as well?

Albuquerque. I mainly remember the descriptions of the complete police apathy about it. Almost Dean Corll levels of not giving a poo poo.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

business hammocks posted:

Batman actually engineered a coup in order to stop an entire country of child pornographers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Ultimate_Evil

What could be more moral than a rich American engaging in state-building abroad by funding and helping a violent revolutionary force?

I've actually read that book, it's interesting since the author is a child protection advocate and you can tell he's really passionate about his cause. I mean, it's not the best written but at least the author has decent intentions which more then what I expect from a novel based on a comic book.

Transmogrifier
Dec 10, 2004


Systems at max!

Lipstick Apathy

shelley posted:

neat, would you mind linking it? sounds like an interesting read

I found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/7dooi6/is_there_a_serial_killer_operating_in_torontos/

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Nckdictator posted:

I've actually read that book, it's interesting since the author is a child protection advocate and you can tell he's really passionate about his cause. I mean, it's not the best written but at least the author has decent intentions which more then what I expect from a novel based on a comic book.

When I read your post, having never heard of the book, my first thought was "Andrew Vachss wrote a comic book novel?"

Yep, Vachss it is. Andrew Vachss is a really solid human being.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Phanatic posted:

When I read your post, having never heard of the book, my first thought was "Andrew Vachss wrote a comic book novel?"

Yep, Vachss it is. Andrew Vachss is a really solid human being.

I have a large number of his Burke novels (and also that Batman novel). They can be tough reads at times based due to some of the situations. The early ones can be particularly brutal.

He is a fascinating person. As a lawyer his practice is exclusively representing children. He is also a law guardian in NY state, which is a lawyer assigned to children in abuse and neglect cases to specifically look out for the rights of the child. I highly recommend people reading his fiction and non-fiction.

IIRC, he also got a little testy with Oprah as guest when she said she forgave her uncle that abused her as a child. He said that when it comes to child abuse, he doesn't believe in rehabilitation or forgiveness, he believes in vengeance.

Some choice quotes:

quote:

Some of those children not only lived through it, not only refused to imitate the oppressor (evil is a decision, not a destiny), but actually maintained sufficient empathy to care about the protection of other children once they themselves became adults and were "out of danger."

To me, such people are our greatest heroes. They represent the hope of our species, living proof that there is nothing bio–genetic about child abuse. I call them transcenders, because "surviving" (i.e., not dying from) child abuse is not the significant thing. It is when chance becomes choice that people distinguish themselves. Two little children are abused. Neither dies. One grows up and becomes a child abuser. The other becomes a child protector. One "passes it on." One "breaks the cycle." Should we call them both by the same name? Not in my book. (And not in my books, either.)

quote:

If you look at Burke closely, you'll see the prototypical abused child: hypervigilant, distrustful. He's so committed to his family of choice—not his DNA-biological family, which tortured him, or the state which raised him, but the family that he chose—that homicide is a natural consequence of injuring any of that family. He's not a hit man. But he shares the same religion I do, which is revenge.

If I were a kid, I'd definitely want him in my corner.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I can see now part of why DC imposed only the restrictions that Batman couldn’t kill or have sex in his novel. I’m sure part of it is brand protection, but now I’m wondering how this dude would write Batman if he could have him shove knitting needles in people’s ears or whatever.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



business hammocks posted:

I can see now part of why DC imposed only the restrictions that Batman couldn’t kill or have sex in his novel. I’m sure part of it is brand protection, but now I’m wondering how this dude would write Batman if he could have him shove knitting needles in people’s ears or whatever.

Oh yeah. It's definitely an angry Batman. A very, very angry Batman.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Proteus Jones posted:

I have a large number of his Burke novels (and also that Batman novel). They can be tough reads at times based due to some of the situations. The early ones can be particularly brutal.

He is a fascinating person. As a lawyer his practice is exclusively representing children. He is also a law guardian in NY state, which is a lawyer assigned to children in abuse and neglect cases to specifically look out for the rights of the child. I highly recommend people reading his fiction and non-fiction.

IIRC, he also got a little testy with Oprah as guest when she said she forgave her uncle that abused her as a child. He said that when it comes to child abuse, he doesn't believe in rehabilitation or forgiveness, he believes in vengeance.

Some choice quotes:



If I were a kid, I'd definitely want him in my corner.



This dude owns.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Randaconda posted:

This dude owns.

Yeah, he's also super passionate about dogs and animal abuse. He's pretty inspiring.

Takezio
Nov 7, 2011
To save people the trip, when he was 7 an older kid swung a chain at his eye.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Takezio posted:

To save people the trip, when he was 7 an older kid swung a chain at his eye.
It DOES make him look like a distinguished rogue.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

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To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
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Biscuit Hider

Proteus Jones posted:

I have a large number of his Burke novels (and also that Batman novel). They can be tough reads at times based due to some of the situations. The early ones can be particularly brutal.

He is a fascinating person. As a lawyer his practice is exclusively representing children. He is also a law guardian in NY state, which is a lawyer assigned to children in abuse and neglect cases to specifically look out for the rights of the child. I highly recommend people reading his fiction and non-fiction.

IIRC, he also got a little testy with Oprah as guest when she said she forgave her uncle that abused her as a child. He said that when it comes to child abuse, he doesn't believe in rehabilitation or forgiveness, he believes in vengeance.

Some choice quotes:



If I were a kid, I'd definitely want him in my corner.



My own religious leanings don’t permit me to agree with him completely. But I absolutely understand his position, and I can’t think of someone who would defend and protect the children he represents more vigorously than he.

Also that eyepatch puts the fucken fear of god into me. Can’t imagine what it must feel like when he goes Old Testament on you.

E: read the Wikipedia article on this guy. He does in fact, own.

christmas boots has a new favorite as of 01:04 on Jan 26, 2018

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde
I read that book too like twenty years ago. I think I remember he retconned Martha Wayne to have been some crusader against child abuse who was actually murdered for that very reason.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


No worse than the retcon where Bruce is really into Punk music on the radio, and his father tells him to turn it off because they're heading to see "that Zorro movie".

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Inspector Gesicht posted:

No worse than the retcon where Bruce is really into Punk music on the radio, and his father tells him to turn it off because they're heading to see "that Zorro movie".

Maybe it was the George Hamilton one.

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde
I’m looking forward to when it’s the 1998 Mask of Zorro and I realize how much younger Batman is than I am

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

Phanatic posted:

When I read your post, having never heard of the book, my first thought was "Andrew Vachss wrote a comic book novel?"

Yep, Vachss it is. Andrew Vachss is a really solid human being.

:same:

He is kind of Batman without the money and the gadgets.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Inspector Gesicht posted:

No worse than the retcon where Bruce is really into Punk music on the radio, and his father tells him to turn it off because they're heading to see "that Zorro movie".

Zorro, the Gay Blade (1980) fits the timeline.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Delthalaz posted:

I’m looking forward to when it’s the 1998 Mask of Zorro and I realize how much younger Batman is than I am

Since they don’t seem to be making Zorro movies anymore one day it’s going to be Puss in Boots.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



fruit on the bottom posted:

Since they don’t seem to be making Zorro movies anymore one day it’s going to be Puss in Boots.

Could be a revival showing.

Or maybe it will change to opera since rich people go to those. It can be Der Fledermaus.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Proteus Jones posted:

Could be a revival showing.

Or maybe it will change to opera since rich people go to those. It can be Der Fledermaus.

that was Batman Begins

it was a different opera tho

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc
Andrew Vachss owns so much. The Burke novels can be a little cheesy on the whole noble thief thing but as a person he's loving stellar.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Helios Grime posted:

Wasn't there something similar with Japanese law? I faintly remember reading that it took them ages to also ban production of child pornography but allowed possession up until the 90's or something?

Oh it's worse than that. Possession wasn't outright banned until a couple years ago, because Tokyo got selected for the 2020 Olympics.

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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Hopefully soon we’ll stop learning there are more poo poo layers to the Turpin Family poo poo cake.

CALIFORNIA PARENTS ACCUSED OF TORTURING 13 CHILDREN DRESSED KIDS ALIKE FOR A FUTURE REALITY-TV SHOW, RELATIVE SAYS

quote:

“I believe that my sister wanted a reality show because the very last conversation that I had with her before all this happened—she did actually say that she feels that they would be perfect for TV at one point," Billy Lambert told the program.

Cops found hundreds of DVDs inside the family’s Southern California home, including seasons of Kate Plus 8. Authorities are now checking DNA to make sure that all of the children, who range in age from 2 to 29, are the offspring of Louise and David Turpin.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

So they literally wanted to be the next Duggar clan. That would be hosed up even before considering that Mrs Duggar wasn't the most cavernous twat in that family.

Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

I didn't realize their kids names all start with J. I wonder if they also named one Jinger in their quest to be like the Duggars.

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

The last documented slave ship, the Clotilda has likely been found.

The Atlantic slave trade was banned in 1808. Of course, it didn't end it.

The Clotilda went to Africa in 1860 and returned to Alabama with 100+ human beings.

The reason for the human trafficking? It's arguably even worse than even normal slavery.

They went to Africa on a bet, just to see if they could get away with it.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

RC and Moon Pie posted:

The last documented slave ship, the Clotilda has likely been found.

The Atlantic slave trade was banned in 1808. Of course, it didn't end it.

The Clotilda went to Africa in 1860 and returned to Alabama with 100+ human beings.

The reason for the human trafficking? It's arguably even worse than even normal slavery.

They went to Africa on a bet, just to see if they could get away with it.

Just a prank bro

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Baronjutter posted:

Just a prank bro
Uuumm actually it's called a social experiment!

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Suspected Toronto serial killer charged with three more murders


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bruce-mcarthur-update-1.4508413

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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An update on Jahi McMath, the young girl who has been kept “alive” on a ventilator for the last four years.

What Does It Mean To Die?

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
I've read in other accounts that the family had unfortunately given Jahi something to eat (I think it was popsicles) after the surgery and it caused the wound to open something fierce. In the initial accounts there's a lot of varying accounts (understandably) but one version of the story has Jahi's grandma panicking after Jahi started bleeding and apparently she grabbed the suction but it really hosed up the wound even more. I'm going to try and find some links.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Holy hell I can't believe taxes are being used for that case with the dead girl. Her family needs some serious therapy, the parents are loving their other kids up bad.

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


The fact that it even needs to go to trial is sad.

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eating only apples
Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?
poo poo I remember Jahi from when it was first written about, I forgot about her - I guess I assumed she'd died. If there's any chance that she's minimally conscious... :smith: loving awful either way for everyone involved.

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