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Pac-Manioc Root posted:The Cardassians see the moral of this story as "don't tell the same lie twice." If you're trying to talk me into watching DS9 again, you don't actually have to try very hard.
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Geekboy posted:If you're trying to talk me into watching DS9 again, you don't actually have to try very hard. Watch the best Star trek ever Babylon 5
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If you count everyone who's credited in at least half of the the 15 episodes listed on IMDB, that's 12 characters (excluding the computer voice). Out of the actors in this main cast, 50% are women, 33% are people of color, 17% are gay, assuming everyone is straight unless explicitly shown as otherwise, it could even be higher. Only three couples have been shown consentially kissing that I can recall, one of which was two gay men, and out of those three couplings, I'd classify only one of those relationships as positive and healthy, the gay one. That seems like pretty decent representation to me, but I admit I have a white guy perspective. And it's not like minorities are being limited to the minor supporting roles, with Michael Burnham as the lead, and Stamets being one of the most important characters too. Star Trek loves to kill off a couple, and if you're going to do that in STD, there's really only one option. STD also might have the quickest passing of the Bechdel Test with literally the first scene. I'm genuinely not trying to argue or tell anyone they're wrong. If STD is unfairly or under representing these groups, I really want to understand what is a more fair way to represent everyone?
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'm genuinely not trying to argue or tell anyone they're wrong. If STD is unfairly or under representing these groups, I really want to understand what is a more fair way to represent everyone?
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shovelbum posted:Watch the best Star trek ever Babylon 5 Both are good, we don't need to do this. And I don't hate Mirror Lorca as much as I did before the reveal, as it seemed like it was just going to be "He's an rear end in a top hat, so must be from the Mirror Universe!" but at least the did something more than that.
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Tiggum posted:Literally just don't kill off a gay character for cheap drama in season one. That was a conscious decision and they could have written in another character to get killed, but they didn't. They killed the idiot security woman too, granted she was barely a character, but there are like five characters and that's the bigger problem. And I don't even care how regressive or hot this is as a take: if you're making a world where women are truly equal, you need to let them die like idiots sometimes. Dark Matter stuck out to me as a show where every extra in the disposable bad guy groups was always a man.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Star Trek Discovery: Turn your monitor on. link please
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I'm unclear on why Stamets waking up would also wake up Mirror Stamets. Did Mirror Staments explain that? Or did Mirror Stamets already know how to wake up, and he just went in there so he could pull Prime Stamets out for later use?
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counterfeitsaint posted:If you count everyone who's credited in at least half of the the 15 episodes listed on IMDB, that's 12 characters (excluding the computer voice). Out of the actors in this main cast, 50% are women, 33% are people of color, 17% are gay, assuming everyone is straight unless explicitly shown as otherwise, it could even be higher. Only three couples have been shown consentially kissing that I can recall, one of which was two gay men, and out of those three couplings, I'd classify only one of those relationships as positive and healthy, the gay one. That seems like pretty decent representation to me, but I admit I have a white guy perspective. And it's not like minorities are being limited to the minor supporting roles, with Michael Burnham as the lead, and Stamets being one of the most important characters too. Star Trek loves to kill off a couple, and if you're going to do that in STD, there's really only one option. STD also might have the quickest passing of the Bechdel Test with literally the first scene. That is actually over-representation for America, but under-representation for the entire planet, which is at least 90% gay. (Compared to America.)
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Tiggum posted:Literally just don't kill off a gay character for cheap drama in season one. That was a conscious decision and they could have written in another character to get killed, but they didn't. You've got to admit, this is the perfect setup for Stamets to go cruising across mycelial dimensions, now that the old ball and chain is gone.
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Fat Lowtax posted:They killed the idiot security woman too, granted she was barely a character, but there are like five characters and that's the bigger problem. For all the dumb, poor stuff that took place in the former half of the show, this was the bit that had me gut laughing at Discovery. It was such a hilariously stupid moment, for the head of security no less.
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Phasers are kind of a "uncaring god" killer weapon. You aim to people with what looks like a TV remote and press a button, and that person is removed. That way are kind of cool in a "gently caress you" kind of way, for a sci-fi serie. Tei fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Jan 25, 2018 10:03
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PostNouveau posted:I'm unclear on why Stamets waking up would also wake up Mirror Stamets. Did Mirror Staments explain that? Because somethingsomethingmycelialnetwork (also... plot).
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Jan 25, 2018 10:49
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Spore Force, ain't gotta explain poo poo.
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xerxus posted:Spore Force, ain't gotta explain poo poo. I think in science fiction is not important how stupid is the "What if" scenario, only what you do with it, if you use to it make something interesting. Tei fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Budgie posted:link please https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3781992&perpage=40&pagenumber=870#post480592995 Quite literally spoilered to protect people from mention of Discovery. Not Discovery spoilers. Discovery the programme. Shrinking into a corncob indeed.
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Clearly, people who enjoy Discovery are the crazy ones though. If Babylon 5 was streaming somewhere, even just the first season, I'd be all over it. I recently finished a watch (mostly rewatch except for VOY and ENT) of all the Trek and I haven't quite found my "what do I watch while I'm drawing/building models/folding laundry?" show to replace it. I've gotta give my partner a break from Trek before I start rewatching TOS or DS9 again in earnest or she might stab me. I have biweekly Discovery watch parties with some friends and I think I need to feed them some sort of seafood, possibly shrimp or soup or both, just so I can see them recoil in extra horror at the Kelpian stew scene. Any ideas?
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Sadly, as much as B5 was excellent, I find that it is ageing quite poorly. There are some really rough quality issues with the writing. Or maybe I've just watched it too many times.
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Jan 25, 2018 16:19
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Geekboy posted:I have biweekly Discovery watch parties with some friends and I think I need to feed them some sort of seafood, possibly shrimp or soup or both, just so I can see them recoil in extra horror at the Kelpian stew scene. Any ideas? Not seafood, but throw in some lotus root.  It's immediately what I thought of when I saw what the two of them were eating. Bonus: it's delicious.
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Geekboy posted:
It's on go90, the streaming platform from Verizon, and it's free.
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I enjoy Discovery for Lorca and Georgiou being commanding leaders of action, not for Voq-Tyler and Burnham drama. Does this qualify me as half-crazy?
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GuyUpNorth posted:I enjoy Discovery for Lorca and Georgiou being commanding leaders of action, not for Voq-Tyler and Burnham drama. Does this qualify me as half-crazy? Lorca makes me weep for what Janeway could've been with better writers
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I don't think they can afford (in a literal sense) to keep Jason Isaacs on, which is a drat shame.
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They should find some obscure cheap classically trained theatre actor to replace him; like TNG did. Alternatively; what's Jeff Combs doing at the moment?
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Unless they kill Lorca off (and they either will or he'll become Emperor as Discovery leaves MU), Isaacs would be a great guest star for a multi-episode arc in season 3 or something. They might be able to afford him for that.
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Geekboy posted:I have biweekly Discovery watch parties with some friends and I think I need to feed them some sort of seafood, possibly shrimp or soup or both, just so I can see them recoil in extra horror at the Kelpian stew scene. Any ideas? You can never go wrong with a good gumbo.
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So did.dumb security chief also come from MU? She was very attack oriented and I'm sure there was a moment of "we've been thru a lot together". The missing sister maybe?
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I think, in hindsight, she's an example of how Lorca corrupts people, women in particular. Also, I do not think it likely that we are meant to infer the woman of Indian descent is the sister of a black man.
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tessiebee posted:So did.dumb security chief also come from MU? She was very attack oriented and I'm sure there was a moment of "we've been thru a lot together". The missing sister maybe?
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FlamingLiberal posted:There is a clear shot of the Mirror version of the security chief lady in the trailer for the next episode Or it was a clear shot of the Prime version of the security chief lady, given that she looked terrified while the other version was pretty MU-esque.
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I don't recall getting any indication that the old security chief was sensitive to light however.
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Geekboy posted:Clearly, people who enjoy Discovery are the crazy ones though. Calamari.  So...there are dopplegangers or counterparts for so much in the Mirror Universe. Same species, same individuals, same technology. But is there anything even remotely similar in the Prime Universe to the Emperor's huge spaceship? Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Binary Logic posted:So...there are dopplegangers or counterparts for so much in the Mirror Universe. Same species, same individuals, same technology. But is there anything even remotely similar in the Prime Universe to the Emperor's huge spaceship? You know, it kind of reminded me of the Doomsday World Eater Thing. Maybe in the MU they just sent waves of cheap frigates full of slaves at it until it was disabled and reverse engineered it.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:You know, it kind of reminded me of the Doomsday World Eater Thing. Maybe in the MU they just sent waves of cheap frigates full of slaves at it until it was disabled and reverse engineered it. For Sale: 1 World-Eater. Great condition and VERY well-fed. Make an offer!
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Binary Logic posted:So...there are dopplegangers or counterparts for so much in the Mirror Universe. Same species, same individuals, same technology. But is there anything even remotely similar in the Prime Universe to the Emperor's huge spaceship? They're both flagships. And they both have names related to ships of the dead. Maybe it's a stretch.
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Was it someone in here that mentioned it looks a lot like the TNG Romulan D’Deridex grafted onto a federation ship?
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Does that mean there's a U.S.S Charon in the Primeverse?
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Echo Chamber posted:I forgot who said that the Emperor's ship, the ISS Charon, is the very rough Mirror counterpart to the Klingons' Sarcophagus. I'm going to say that it's because whoever is designing ships for discovery is really bad at it. All the new ship designs are ugly as sin and share lots of features.
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Taear posted:I'm going to say that it's because whoever is designing ships for discovery is really bad at it. All the new ship designs are ugly as sin and share lots of features. Share lots of features? *Looks-up the FASA Star Trek ship designs* Hmm mmmm....checks out! Anywho, the new ship designs are pretty neat, including the Klingon fleet. Can't wait till we get our spergy design books so I can obsess about pylon placement and figurehead design.
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The Lord Bude posted:I don't recall getting any indication that the old security chief was sensitive to light however. "Benjamin Lafayette Sisko, what the hell has gotten into your head? You actually thought I was one of them, didn't you?" "I don't know, I wasn't sure." "This business has got you so twisted around, you can't think straight! You're seeing Terran infiltrators everywhere! Maybe you ought to think about something for a minute: if I was a smart Terran, a really good one, the first thing I would do would be to grab some poor doctor out of sickbay, make up an excuse, and get them to fix my eyes! Don't you see? There isn't a test that's been created that a smart man can't find his way around! You're not going to catch Terrans using some light test!"
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