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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

lancemantis posted:

also lol @ the possiblity of lowering property prices

like we have all just lived through a property bubble that saw the collapse in housing value -- the outcome of which was upward wealth transfer, squeezing middle class people, and grinding the poor into even finer dust, and California has just become even more expensive

we should definitely reproduce this, ~it will work this time~!!

during the crash housing prices were merely flat here like '08-'10

Sapozhnik posted:

if a universal basic income was instituted then rents in desirable areas would absolutely increase by UBI overnight because hey, by definition literally everybody's ability to pay suddenly went up by that amount and accommodation is right at the head of the line for disposal of your monthly pay check.

lol

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post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

flakeloaf posted:

what incentive do the rich have to just not do that again, forever

they are currently doing it, and will continue to, forever. socialismo o muerte

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:52

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Analytic Engine posted:

Botnik's stuff is made by users (usually comedy writers) selecting one word at time from a constantly updating pallet of predictions

it's just "monkeycheese lol so random" writing like you used to see in webcomics

that's completely unrelated to "monkeycheese lol so random" though

lancemantis posted:

getting rid of prop13 might kick out some entrenched older generation homeowners, and that might free up a little housing stock, but it would be immediately gobbled up, so you might have a smaller increase in home prices for that one year after it goes into effect, before returning to a still absurd growth rate; of course you would also be giving landlords a nice new institutional source of blame for squeezing their renters

we're in a capatalist housing market, and like all things in capitalism, the people that can pay will get what they want and everyone else can get hosed, often in worse and worse ways; California is already supporting a housing market where people pay absurd prices for even junky dwellings, getting into bidding wars that launch them into astronomical territories

a place where lots of these prices are well beyond what most banks would give you for a mortgage, which means there are large enough segments of population that can afford the additional cost outright, can secure funding for the additional cost, can pay PMIs, etc etc

so will making property taxes for these people more dynamic really be able to achieve the policy goal we want: affordable housing so that the vulnerable aren't squeezed for every penny, they aren't pushed farther and farther from their jobs, being forced to deal with the worst aspects of our commuting culture -- or will it simply be cathartic to a subset of people for whom it doesn't really matter anyway?

no poo poo moron, since just removing the law doesn't magically spawn a million new housing units

however you'll now have a massive increase in public funds that can be used to build housing and repair social services that have been starved for going on 50 years

Sapozhnik posted:

yes how dare she buy a home and expect to continue to own it

if you want to force people out of their homes then gently caress you, you're no different from a landlord evicting people by jacking up the rent

i could not possibly give a poo poo less about some tech dork's desperate wish to live in san francisco in particular

boo hoo their property

they can dry their tears with their multimillion dollar payday from selling the house once they suddenly have to pay normal state property taxes instead of $5 a month

Sapozhnik posted:

there are dozens of reasonably dense metro areas in the united states where people can poo poo out javascript in coffee shops whilst being insufferable

gently caress new york, gently caress san francisco, stop insisting that the solution to every problem is to turn a couple of cities full of terrible people into hyper dense borg cubes while leaving the entire rest of the country to rot.

lol sf is entirely different from ny. lol at pretending any part of sf or sv is "hyper dense borg cubes" gently caress it aint even like most of nyc is.

also most of the country should rot. it is really mostly empty. 80% of the us population lives on about 3% of the land area.

Sapozhnik posted:

i mean you're already willing to use the local government to run roughshod over people, why not use it to run roughshod over racist enclaves of white pieces of poo poo and build out comprehensive public transport networks funded by annexation and hefty state income taxes

functional public transport and an insistence on mixed-usage zoning is like loving miracle-grow for cities

the poor lil grandmas being pushed out are going to be like 95% racist white pieces of poo poo because that's who was buying into those areas 50 years ago and passing laws like prop 13 tho...

and the property taxes that would finally get paid are what funds things like public transit in states that didn't vote in a bunch of ludicrous anti tax proposals over the 70s and 80s

Sapozhnik posted:

yeah alright let's force somebody old enough to have owned their home for the entire ~30-40 year period that house prices have been going crazy to move hundreds of miles away to an unfamiliar city.

yes? we should? this is how it works in most of the country idk why you're so mad about it finally happening in the cali suck-sprawl

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

for real and i'd love to see analysis about how that would impact the state budget along w/ how much you could slash the sales tax to balance it

and reminder it's commercial properties too right alongside everyone that inherited grandma's house and taxation rate

poor little old disney couldn't possibly afford to pay those taxes WHY DO YOU WANT TO EVICT GRANDPA DISNEY!!!!

Mr. Nice! posted:

by fixing prop 13 california could probably eliminate one of either the sales or income taxes entirely.

that's a bizarre statement. property taxes usually go to the municipality or the county, with very little going to the state. income taxes are almost entirely going to the state with only a few large cities being able to set their own income taxes. there's practically no overlap there.

there will be room to knock the sales taxes back to more sane levels, sure, but the real advantage will be eliminating the basis for a lot of the super regressive "use fees" and other such means by which the state and municipalities/counties seek to collect taxes without it being a "tax" that has to pass supermajorities to take effect because of yet another broke-brain prop from the past.

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Arcteryx Anarchist: Sep 15, 2007; Fun Shoe

ComradeCosmobot posted:

my rent in sunnyvale hasn�t gone up in two and a half years and i only just got notice that they want to bump it a measly 2%

in fact there were articles last year talking about the softened rental market

this followed three straight years of 10% hikes year on year, so clearly the market does find equilibrium at certain points even if they are at completely ridiculous prices

quote:

He attributed the cooling to three factors: the construction of thousands of units of new housing for renters around the region, the typical seasonal slowdown in rent growth at year�s end, and the fact that �the market has already gone up so much that it can�t sustain any more rent increases.�

There were a few exceptions to the general trend, especially in a handful of East Bay markets where renters have flocked in search of something affordable. The result: The new competition has driven up rents by 8.1 percent year-over-year in Pleasanton, where the median 2-bedroom was $2,770, and by 6.8 percent in Concord, where the median was $1,900.

its radiating out, just like the people most effected by it are

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:53

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

already posted something like this before but:
- tax sale profit of second, third, etc. homes or any owned by a business entity at 90%
- prop 13 doesn't apply to second+ or business owned housing
- extra tax on sales of homes sold in fewer than 1/5/10/15 years

as long as housing can also be a magic ticket to 10x returns nothing else will change

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qirex: Feb 15, 2001

the idea of paying almost three thousand dollars to live in pleasanton is shocking

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:55

Arcteryx Anarchist: Sep 15, 2007; Fun Shoe

thats why the people that can't cope with that shock are living in modesto now

and driving to san jose

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:59

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Sapozhnik posted:

if a universal basic income was instituted then rents in desirable areas would absolutely increase by UBI overnight because hey, by definition literally everybody's ability to pay suddenly went up by that amount

this is false. you idiot. you complete moron. no, everybody getting an extra $30k a year, say, would not mean everyone has the ability to pay an extra $2500 a month in rent. hell a ton of expensive places don't even charge as much as $2500 a month in rent right now - you can get a 1br in nice bits of manhattan for under $2500 a month albeit just under.

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post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

qirex posted:

already posted something like this before but:
- tax sale profit of second, third, etc. homes or any owned by a business entity at 90%
- prop 13 doesn't apply to second+ or business owned housing
- extra tax on sales of homes sold in fewer than 1/5/10/15 years

as long as housing can also be a magic ticket to 10x returns nothing else will change

# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:02

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

eschaton posted:

if local infrastructure like schools weren�t funded via property taxes then this might be more reasonable, replace it all with income taxes (including taxing investment income as ordinary income)

make the limited increases to property tax apply to an individually owned primary residence, index the increase to inflation rather than cap it, and it should be good

also create regional transit authorities & eliminate local transit authority because municipalities can�t be trusted

and create regional zoning authorities & eliminate local zoning authority for the same reason

make apartment blocks government-owned, mandate a homogeneous ethnic mix in line with the nation's wider demographics

singapore does that and this particular aspect of the authoritarian hell state that is singapore owns

# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:03

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

fishmech posted:

this is false. you idiot. you complete moron. no, everybody getting an extra $30k a year, say, would not mean everyone has the ability to pay an extra $2500 a month in rent. hell a ton of expensive places don't even charge as much as $2500 a month in rent right now - you can get a 1br in nice bits of manhattan for under $2500 a month albeit just under.

but if you increase minimum wage to $20/hr all big macs suddenly cost $50 :smug:

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bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Sapozhnik posted:

make apartment blocks government-owned, mandate a homogeneous ethnic mix in line with the nation's wider demographics

singapore does that and this particular aspect of the authoritarian hell state that is singapore owns

this is literally the only antiracist thing they do and singapore is now basically the least racist place in asia

# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:04

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

but if you increase minimum wage to $20/hr all big macs suddenly cost $50

someone post the tweet from that politician who was like "if we're going to make a $15 minimum wage why not just make it $10,000"

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disrupting sports blogging

# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:26

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# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:29

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

former google employee skates into scammy "office transformation" startup that looks like it drop ships furniture, founder is literally hiding from investors

quote:

A former Google employee behind a failed office furniture startup is hiding from angry investors in a Brooklyn �safe house,� a new lawsuit charges.

Lucy Lyle, the founder of the �design-focused office product company� Perch, was tracked to her hideout in Clinton Hill by a private investigator, according to the suit filed in Manhattan Supreme Court by Russell Shepard, the manager of Angel Park Investors.

The company says Lyle, 30, owes more than $350,000.

�Lyle appears to have vanished with the Plaintiffs� investments, shuttering the doors of Perch. Lyle is now living in a safe house in Brooklyn, NY in an attempt to avoid the repercussions of the apparent theft of Plaintiffs� investment funds,� the suit reads.

their website is hilarious

quote:

Dedicated to the workspace.

It all started with a desk, crafted from solid mahogany and created in collaboration with one of our favorite furniture designers in NYC. No detail was overlooked in the design and construction, with every joint and angle perfectly aligned, and each desk built to last a lifetime. Along with our stunning line of desks, PERCH sources every other product you need to outfit them.

We scoured all but one continent to bring you the best workspace products the world has to offer, each from vendors who are masters of their craft. After testing thousands of products, we�re bring you only the best. We�ve done the work, so you don�t have to.

We�re here to do something revolutionary - help you get excited about sitting down at your desk.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 22:41

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

https://twitter.com/jiatolentino/status/956349046867800066

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muckswirler: Oct 22, 2008

fuckin' 95% death tax solves the problem in one generation

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post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

https://twitter.com/jiatolentino/status/956349046867800066

hahah

# ? Jan 25, 2018 23:07

blugu64: Jul 17, 2006; Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

muckswirler posted:

fuckin' 95% death tax solves the problem in one generation

a wealth tax solves it next year

# ? Jan 25, 2018 23:15

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

what would happen if a majority of renters formed a union of some kind and threatened a rent strike

like if 65% of the renters in a city started refusing to pay rent all at once, it's not like the landlords could replace them all with "non-union" renters. nor would the cops be able to forcibly evict all those people immediately.

i don't imagine it could actually work, there's probably too many practical issues in the way of it. but still, can you imagine how it would play on the news? it'd be the goddamn apocalypse.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:11

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

i bet if it happened in like the carolinas the state legislature would instantly make it a felony to knowingly refuse to pay rent lol

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:12

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

it could already be considered theft, i bet.

e: kind of like how that lady that snuck onto a BA flight to london without a ticket has been charged with stealing from the airline.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:14

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what would happen if a majority of renters formed a union of some kind and threatened a rent strike

like if 65% of the renters in a city started refusing to pay rent all at once, it's not like the landlords could replace them all with "non-union" renters. nor would the cops be able to forcibly evict all those people immediately.

i don't imagine it could actually work, there's probably too many practical issues in the way of it. but still, can you imagine how it would play on the news? it'd be the goddamn apocalypse.

kim stanley robinson�s most recent book touches on this topic, but it�s a bit... optimistic?

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:20

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what would happen if a majority of renters formed a union of some kind and threatened a rent strike

like if 65% of the renters in a city started refusing to pay rent all at once, it's not like the landlords could replace them all with "non-union" renters. nor would the cops be able to forcibly evict all those people immediately.

i don't imagine it could actually work, there's probably too many practical issues in the way of it. but still, can you imagine how it would play on the news? it'd be the goddamn apocalypse.

the state of arkansas has done well keeping criminal evictions on the books, and if you want some of the other 49 to follow suit i'm sure they'd be happy to throw you in jail

* in arkansas any landlord can call a criminal eviction for nonpayment after the first day
* after 10 days you are arrested
* you are not allowed to plead not guilty until you deposit the disputed amount of rent in escrow with the court
* the judge asks one question every day. "Have you paid rent?" if not, back into the cell you go

i'm serious

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:22

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Jonny 290 posted:

the state of arkansas has done well keeping criminal evictions on the books, and if you want some of the other 49 to follow suit i'm sure they'd be happy to throw you in jail

* in arkansas any landlord can call a criminal eviction for nonpayment after the first day
* after 10 days you are arrested
* you are not allowed to plead not guilty until you deposit the disputed amount of rent in escrow with the court
* the judge asks one question every day. "Have you paid rent?" if not, back into the cell you go

i'm serious

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:26

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Jonny 290 posted:

the state of arkansas has done well keeping criminal evictions on the books, and if you want some of the other 49 to follow suit i'm sure they'd be happy to throw you in jail

* in arkansas any landlord can call a criminal eviction for nonpayment after the first day
* after 10 days you are arrested
* you are not allowed to plead not guilty until you deposit the disputed amount of rent in escrow with the court
* the judge asks one question every day. "Have you paid rent?" if not, back into the cell you go

i'm serious

jesus loving christ.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:28

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

you know, it�s a common theme on the left that healthcare is a basic human right, but housing diesel seem to get the same treatment. i�m sure a lot of folks think it is, but the concept doesn�t seem like it�s permeated into mainstream thought like single payer healthcare.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:31

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

this is the same state where i [stupidly] rear-ended a conversion van when they were on vacation while i had no insurance (i was like 19)

* i go get fly by night insurance
* show up in court
* "Got insurance?" "Yes sir"
* "If you can pay the $125 ticket, cash, by 5pm, this never hits your record. Next"

the south is corrupt as gently caress y'all

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:33

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

reminder that there are more foreclosed homes than there are homeless people

BUT THEN NOBODY WOULD WORK IF THEY COULD JUST GET A HOUSE FOR FREE!!!!!! :byodood:

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:34

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

FMguru posted:

my favorite property tax assessment story is from guatamala where the leftist government nationalized all the foreign-owned plantations and paid compensation....based on the decades old and hilariously understated official tax assessments that theyd most recently paid

pretty lol (until the us marines showed up)

if only the glorious Red Army were already there to provide an appropriate welcome

everybody understands that this is basically why American is perma-mad at Cuba, right? some rich American assholes had their illegally-obtained and marginally taxed property seized by The People when their pet dictator was deposed, the glorious USSR actually made that stick, and America got a permanent bug up its rear end that makes it hard for us to get good rum and cigars

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:34

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

President Beep posted:

can grandma at least keep her toothbrush, or will the heartless commie-nazis seize that too?

all grandmas will have toothbrush provided by The People

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:35

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

eschaton posted:

if only the glorious Red Army were already there to provide an appropriate welcome

everybody understands that this is basically why American is perma-mad at Cuba, right? some rich American assholes had their illegally-obtained and marginally taxed property seized by The People when their pet dictator was deposed, the glorious USSR actually made that stick, and America got a permanent bug up its rear end that makes it hard for us to get good rum and cigars

Castro's Heartless thugs stole my family's plantation

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:38

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

lenin did nothing wrong

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:39

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Jonny 290 posted:

Castro's Heartless thugs stole my family's plantation

that gloria estefan song sucked.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:40

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/carolineodonovan/cops-say-tesla-drivers-cant-blame-crashes-on-autopilot?utm_term=.pfDVA8zV0

3 crashes in 1 week

- Tesla drunk drove into a creek
- Tesla on autopilot stopped on the Bay Bridge, driver was drunk and asleep
- Tesla on autopilot plows into a fire truck

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:41

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

its called progress why do you hate progressS? ??

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:42

Arcteryx Anarchist: Sep 15, 2007; Fun Shoe

Jonny 290 posted:

the state of arkansas has done well keeping criminal evictions on the books, and if you want some of the other 49 to follow suit i'm sure they'd be happy to throw you in jail

* in arkansas any landlord can call a criminal eviction for nonpayment after the first day
* after 10 days you are arrested
* you are not allowed to plead not guilty until you deposit the disputed amount of rent in escrow with the court
* the judge asks one question every day. "Have you paid rent?" if not, back into the cell you go

i'm serious

literal debtors prison

President Beep posted:

you know, it�s a common theme on the left that healthcare is a basic human right, but housing diesel seem to get the same treatment. i�m sure a lot of folks think it is, but the concept doesn�t seem like it�s permeated into mainstream thought like single payer healthcare.

DSA and I'm sure PSL/ISO/<insert trot group here> generally have housing interest groups/committees/whatever you want to call them

i know Sacramento DSA has done some anti-eviction activism at least; I feel like I've seen the same for EBDSA and SFDSA

EBDSA is really really big on healthcare though

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Wheany posted:

force the grandmas to sell their house at a fair price. if that's over 1 million, grandma gets the guilliotine and her inheritors get the money (minus inheritance tax).

raze grandma's old house and build a 30-story rent controlled apartment building in its place.

or force grandma to give her house to the developer in exchange for all-expenses-paid temporary housing during construction, and ownership of a unit equivalent to her house in the high rise when it�s complete

or if it�s a rental unit, she gets to live rent free in the high rise along with some payout

# ? Jan 26, 2018 00:45

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