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Crescent Wrench posted:Great, we've got to cater to the loving spoonheads now? Are you wearing the necklace again?
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On ratings chat: In Australia the turning point, (as I remember it) was Total Recall. When initially released it was an R rating, (which meant that people under the age of 18 weren't allowed to see it). They then cut, I think, 5 seconds and it became M, which meant everyone was allowed to see it but was recommended for 15+. The 5 seconds were I think one swear word and 1 instance of violence, (I think the girl slapping Arnold in the face). This was considered absurd, as how could 5 seconds extra suddenly make a film unwatchable for children. What they did was introduce a new rating inbetween R and M called MA, where people under 15 werent allowed to see the film. This meant you had your kiddie films, (G), your family films, (PG), your films for older kids that mum and dad would still approve of, (M), your edgy violent and/or sexy films that weren't quite bad enough to be adults only, (MA), and then your R rated films which were basically porn, or porn-like. There is also X rates movies, which is specifically the rating for explicit porn, but those can only be sold in licensed sex shops, and never get theatrical release.
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Jan 26, 2018 05:40
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Gets a bit weird given a lot of PG-13 films in the US are M rated here. Also video games use the same rating, though it took years for the government to let them be rated R. (a single attorney-general was stonewalling it, and quickly became a national target of ridicule)
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Jan 26, 2018 10:47
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BrigadierSensible posted:On ratings chat: A similar thing happened in the UK with the Tim Burton Batman film. The ratings at the time were U, PG, 15, and 18. It was decided that Batman was a bit too dark and scary for a PG rating, but the next step was rating it 15, which was obviously stupid. So they invented a new 12 rating.
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Jan 26, 2018 12:43
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Sweevo posted:A similar thing happened in the UK with the Tim Burton Batman film. The ratings at the time were U, PG, 15, and 18. It was decided that Batman was a bit too dark and scary for a PG rating, but the next step was rating it 15, which was obviously stupid. So they invented a new 12 rating. I'm almost sure my DVD has a 15 rating. I'll have to check later because that will boggle at me now. 
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Jan 26, 2018 12:47
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In Denmark we have four ratings. "A" for movies everyone can see. "7" doesn't actually mean people under seven can't see it, just that parents should be advised that the movie contains scenes that can be scary for children under seven, such as a parents or a pets death. "11" here it's meant that people under 11 should not see it, as the movie contains some violence etc. and finally "15", given to movies only people age 15 or above should see. Our ratings are decided by the media council for children and teens, that employs experts such as child psychologists and pedagogues.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:22
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm almost sure my DVD has a 15 rating. I'll have to check later because that will boggle at me now. The 12 rating only applied to cinema releases originally. It wasn't applied to video until the mid 90s. 12-rated films would be 15 on video, or edited to make them PG. I guess the DVD stuck with the original video rating instead of getting it re-classified.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:29
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Inescapable Duck posted:Apparently the last episode has a rich businessman buy up the entire town to make money off the businesses, so in protest the townsfolk dynamite the entire town, yes. Hah, I forgot all about that. Over Christmas, I was flipping channels and discovered that they did have a second series that was about Laura and her family. The only other returning character was Nels Olson, who for some reason had a new daughter that wasn't Nelly. Not Nelly really couldn't pull off the snotty little poo poo nearly as well. Strangely enough this episode revolved around someone stealing Laura's daughter. EDIT: Took me a minute, but Not Nelly was named Nancy of all things.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:33
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Nelly grew up, married a Jew and moved to New York. It was a very special episode. Mrs Olsen was so upset that she went to the orphanage and adopted another kid just like Nelly, hence the snotty brat. Once the Laura kid had grown up they stuck her with an adoptive daughter so they could do the same storylines, just with the new generation. So they both got cousin Olivered. Most surreal episode must be when Ma basically invents KFC and the colonel shows up as a character.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:41
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Atreiden posted:In Denmark we have four ratings. Here in the US our ratings are determined by.....well, no body knows. And set to standards determined by how much money the studio has.
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Jan 26, 2018 14:55
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Inescapable Duck posted:Apparently the last episode has a rich businessman buy up the entire town to make money off the businesses, so in protest the townsfolk dynamite the entire town, yes. I want to say the business in question was the railroads, so the town was essentially telling big business to gently caress off. Top that off with the specter of GOD in the background (although later episodes weren’t as overtly religious) and it’s kind of terrifying what those collective citizens will do. Iron Crowned posted:The only other returning character was Nels Olson Nels Olson at times was about the only sane character on that show, or at least the most practically-minded. Religious in more a social sense, ran an honest business, kept out of Harriet’s (his wife) way most of the time until the drama got ridiculous, low-key stuck up for Laura when Nellie was being an ultra-brat. The reality of Little House is told in Caroline Fraser’s recent book Prairie Fires if anyone is interested. Laura and her daughter Rose were, to put it kindly, not nice people.
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Jan 26, 2018 15:13
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Solice Kirsk posted:Here in the US our ratings are determined by.....well, no body knows. And set to standards determined by how much money the studio has. I know. I'm kind of glad that ours is an advisory council to the the ministry of culture, as part of the government. With very clear guidelines.
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Jan 26, 2018 15:17
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Solice Kirsk posted:Here in the US our ratings are determined by.....well, no body knows. And set to standards determined by how much money the studio has. I imagine it's basically a magic 8 ball except it's white.
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Jan 26, 2018 15:21
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Sweevo posted:A similar thing happened in the UK with the Tim Burton Batman film. The ratings at the time were U, PG, 15, and 18. It was decided that Batman was a bit too dark and scary for a PG rating, but the next step was rating it 15, which was obviously stupid. So they invented a new 12 rating. Then 12 changed to 12A, which means you can see it if you're 12 or older or have an adult with you. But yeah, the Batman DVD is a 15 because 12 didn't exist as a certificate for home video and they never resubmitted it. It'd easily be a PG nowadays, anyway. One of the weirder things is that TV box sets can have multiple age ratings, as each disc will have its own rating based on the episodes on it. The box as a whole must have the highest rating that any disc has, obviously, but back in the days of Blockbuster video where you sometimes didn't get the entire box set at once you could run into situations where if you were under 18 you weren't allowed to see certain episodes. An example is X-Files Season 4, where the episode 'Home' got an 18 rating. The rest of the series is 15, iirc, but that one episode made that one disc (and hence the whole box set) an 18.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:11
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GrandpaPants posted:I imagine it's basically a magic 8 ball except it's white. You ever have a really old magic 8 ball? Growing up I got an old one that I'm pretty sure predated my birth in 89. The liquid was kinda gone and the thing inside was broken so you'd get anything from 0-2 answers when you shake it. Basically that only white.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:18
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Quote-Unquote posted:Then 12 changed to 12A, which means you can see it if you're 12 or older or have an adult with you. Nope, 12 and 12A are separate ratings that have coexisted since the latter's introduction. 12A is a cinema rating while 12 is now video only. The whole rating system took a bizarre turn around 1989, because while PGs were advisory at the cinema's discretion you could still be refused admission to see a PG if you were under 14 and not accompanied by an adult. This created a situation where a 13 year old couldn't see a PG by themselves at some cinemas but could go to see a 12 (and later 12As) which had more extreme content.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:27
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Quote-Unquote posted:One of the weirder things is that TV box sets can have multiple age ratings, as each disc will have its own rating based on the episodes on it. The box as a whole must have the highest rating that any disc has, obviously, but back in the days of Blockbuster video where you sometimes didn't get the entire box set at once you could run into situations where if you were under 18 you weren't allowed to see certain episodes. An example is X-Files Season 4, where the episode 'Home' got an 18 rating. The rest of the series is 15, iirc, but that one episode made that one disc (and hence the whole box set) an 18. Home was a special case for sure. Here in the US, it had a first run airing on broadcast TV, and was removed from the rerun schedule. I'm not sure it was even available for broadcast syndication either, and didn't reappear until it was available on DVD.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:30
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Quote-Unquote posted:One of the weirder things is that TV box sets can have multiple age ratings, as each disc will have its own rating based on the episodes on it. The box as a whole must have the highest rating that any disc has, obviously, but back in the days of Blockbuster video where you sometimes didn't get the entire box set at once you could run into situations where if you were under 18 you weren't allowed to see certain episodes. An example is X-Files Season 4, where the episode 'Home' got an 18 rating. The rest of the series is 15, iirc, but that one episode made that one disc (and hence the whole box set) an 18. I believe there's different ratings agencies as well; although the BBFC certificate will always be the one that appears on the cover, I have a few dvds which have a BBFC 15 rating on the dvd case, then has the same printed on the disc itself alongside an 18 with a differently designed symbol.
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Jan 26, 2018 16:33
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Iron Crowned posted:Home was a special case for sure. Here in the US, it had a first run airing on broadcast TV, and was removed from the rerun schedule. I'm not sure it was even available for broadcast syndication either, and didn't reappear until it was available on DVD. I saw Home when it aired. First (only?) XFiles to have a content advisory statement before it. It was referenced and there was a clip of mom-under-the-bed on this week's episode!
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Was it the incest, the baby murder or the violence that earned "Home" its rating or just the combination of all of the above?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Was it the incest, the baby murder or the violence that earned "Home" its rating or just the combination of all of the above? Yes
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Jan 26, 2018 16:55
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I want to say the business in question was the railroads, so the town was essentially telling big business to gently caress off. Top that off with the specter of GOD in the background (although later episodes weren’t as overtly religious) and it’s kind of terrifying what those collective citizens will do. Nels was the best, but I think Pa was pretty great too. He was religious but not judgemental. I’m going to have to look up that book. It sounds interesting. Does the not nice comment relate to her racism? The books were extremely dodgy in their portrayal of Native Americans, while the show was a lot more careful to show how tolerant the Wilders were.
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SEX BURRITO posted:Nels was the best, but I think Pa was pretty great too. He was religious but not judgemental. I’m going to have to look up that book. It sounds interesting. Does the not nice comment relate to her racism? The books were extremely dodgy in their portrayal of Native Americans, while the show was a lot more careful to show how tolerant the Wilders were. I found it interesting that Nellie did not exist, but was a combination of two different girls.
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Quote-Unquote posted:'Home' quote:For the opening, Fox executives asked that audio of the baby screaming during the burial be removed, as this would be going too far in terms of good taste (especially since the script had courted controversy from the moment it was first submitted). 
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Jan 26, 2018 23:40
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Solice Kirsk posted:Here in the US our ratings are determined by.....well, no body knows. And set to standards determined by how much money the studio has. Wasn’t the puppet sex in Team America put in for the purpose of having something to take out when the MPAA objected and somehow they ended up just giving it whatever rating they were looking for on the first shot?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Wasn’t the puppet sex in Team America put in for the purpose of having something to take out when the MPAA objected and somehow they ended up just giving it whatever rating they were looking for on the first shot? I think so. They had to cut puppet piss and scat from the scene.
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The ratings in the US are self enforced by a Hollywood organization called the MPAA. It's the same as the ESRB with video games. Basically little to no government involvement to get in the way of making money.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe there's different ratings agencies as well; although the BBFC certificate will always be the one that appears on the cover, I have a few dvds which have a BBFC 15 rating on the dvd case, then has the same printed on the disc itself alongside an 18 with a differently designed symbol. I think the bbfc are the only rating agency for the UK. I don't have a DVD to hand to check, but isn't the other rating logo for the Irish ratings agency? That way they just do one big print run of region 2 disks and just do separate dvd inlay covers for different markets.
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Specifically, movies are rated by the 12 member board of the MPAA called the Classification & Rating Administration (CARA). There's basically no transparency to this process and there's a lot of tea leaf reading that has kinda hammered down what content gets what rating. But for example, scenes with LGBT content will usually get rated one rating higher than an equivalent straight scene. The MPAA is basically just an industry group that comprises all of the studios, so not in any way accountable to anyone but the major studios. As an aside, the PG-13 rating is the most recent one, which was made in the 80's after Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom traumatized a bunch of kids by having a PG rated movie feature a dude getting his still-beating heart ripped out.
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SiKboy posted:I think the bbfc are the only rating agency for the UK. I don't have a DVD to hand to check, but isn't the other rating logo for the Irish ratings agency? That way they just do one big print run of region 2 disks and just do separate dvd inlay covers for different markets. Yes, I just had a look at one which was close to hand (Layer Cake) and that's correct; the blue one is the Irish Film Classification Office (which gives it an 18 whereas the BBFC rates it 15).
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Instant Sunrise posted:As an aside, the PG-13 rating is the most recent one, which was made in the 80's after Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom traumatized a bunch of kids by having a PG rated movie feature a dude getting his still-beating heart ripped out. That was literally me. My mom too me out if the theater. My dad stayed with my older brother.
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Home was actually the first X-files episode I watched as a grown up (as opposed to trying to sneak glances at it when I was like 6 and thought my mom didn't hear me coming down the staircase). It was airing on a regular channel in the middle of a weekend afternoon. It was of course super hosed up but it also really mis-set my expectations for what the rest of the show was going to be like.
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The Bloop posted:That was literally me. My mom too me out if the theater. My dad stayed with my older brother. *traumatized a generation of kids.
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I watched Temple of Doom at summer camp. It was the first Indiana Jones film I saw and it blew my mind, though I had already played the Lucasarts adventure games so I was familiar with the character. I think we then watched the other two later that summer.
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Temple of Doom was also my first Indiana Jones movies as a child and I still love it.
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knife_of_justice posted:He's meant to be lecherous/ a bawdy drunk. The world that John Cleese and Connie Booth lived in back then wasn't a homophobic one. There are stories about looking for a specialist gay hostel for their friend/co-star Graham Chapham during Python location filming circa 1971, so they were by and large tolerant. I agree that it is not meant to be homophobic, it is actually more that they were catering to stereotypes about French people. It's still a good ep. I'll forgive just about everything for the scene where Basil gives his car a "good thrashing" with a tree branch.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Was it the incest, the baby murder or the violence that earned "Home" its rating or just the combination of all of the above? I can't remember that episode getting any special warnings when it aired in Australia. But then, murderous inbred bumpkins is pretty much how the world views the South, anyway.
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The movie "This Film is Not Yet Rated" is highly recommended, re:the rating system and it's less than balanced approach
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I have been wondering since we started talking about the NC-17 if it wasn't merely a response to the whole X-rating thing but there might have been something more going on with it. Specifically, if the NC-17 gained mainstream acceptance or respectability, would we be seeing more films as NC17 that wouldn't have normally qualified? Had the NC-17 gotten out the door with more films like Nightmare on Elm Street instead of Showgirls and Crash and some erotic love story movies, would that have been enough to get studios and audiences more on board with it as "Well, this makes sense because someone who's under 17 shouldn't be allowed into as theater to watch a Freddy Krueger movie." Specifically, America is likely more 'sex conservative' than violence, horror and gore conservative, to the point that the NC-17 was probably viewed more like a strictly 'sex/nudity' rating. If the NC-17 had been more connected to the violence, horror, gore, etc. content instead from the onset, would people/theaters have tolerated it more AND viewed it as a means of reducing youth exposure to that content, as well? JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 09:27 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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JediTalentAgent posted:I have been wondering since we started talking about the NC-17 if it wasn't merely a response to the whole X-rating thing but there might have been something more going on with it. Specifically, if the NC-17 gained mainstream acceptance or respectability, would we be seeing more films as NC17 that wouldn't have normally qualified? We already know Americans have no issues with violence, the nation was built on it - they even teach it practically in their High Schools!
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