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I don't understand who is being strawmanned here
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Out of context, having not read any of this Thanos series, those two pages were really funny to me. Frank turning into that kind of person is funny to me. That's...all I got?
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Jan 26, 2018 07:36
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Roth posted:I don't understand who is being strawmanned here I guess I am being owned by Extremely Not Mad Online guy It's not my fault you didn't understand it's a gag Brian site fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 07:51
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I'm legit glad that "u mad?" is still a viable engine of conversation in TYOOL 2018 but, no, I not actually mad. I didn't think it was a very good scene
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Jan 26, 2018 08:12
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You're the one that decided people were accusing you of hating fun for some reason.
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Jan 26, 2018 08:20
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Do you have Edge & Christian on ignore or something? Not that I would blame you if you did. 
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Jan 26, 2018 08:21
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I'm pretty sure they were being facetious The lesson here is that fun is a buzzword.
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Jan 26, 2018 08:22
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Yes, well, I guess that'll learn me for interpreting the phrase "BrianWilly I think you have just learned what it means to hate fun" as someone possibly accusing me of hating fun. 
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Jan 26, 2018 08:25
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Roth posted:I'm pretty sure they were being facetious They were but they weren't making fun of brian.
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Jan 26, 2018 08:34
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Yeah, I thought they were making fun of Site, and then Brian was playing along.
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Jan 26, 2018 08:36
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site posted:Everyone looks like they hate having to be on camera, i learned nothing of value, but akiras performative enthusiasm has me amped. What does marvel have in store for us? House of inhumans? Age of wolverine? Secret invasion 2? Civil war 3?! "no more marvel"
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Jan 26, 2018 11:55
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I wasn't really attacking anyone specific, just the general "come on, look at this thing out of context which is BADASS and AWESOME and FULL OF WIN and if you don't immediately love this wacky out of context thing you are old and dumb, like an adult in an Apple Jacks commercial." People can like what they like and site actually provided some context/further discussion of the panel/gag and why they like the book so I'm not making fun of site, and I'm not making fun of BrianWilly but I guess I am kind of making fun of the people who just go "this is good. end of conversation, no explanation needed because it is good." or "this is bad, etc." which is endemic on here in general but not really at play here? I do kind of question the Mad Libs style of Future/Alternate Universe plotting that a lot of people use these days, especially when you get to those twists of "TWIST! That guy in a mask is wearing a different mask and also acting and speaking differently and given that years/decades/centuries happened and we're leaving this alternate timeline in 18 pages no time to explain but can you loving believe that in the future Batman is actually quippy and paternal and also Green Arrow, but somehow Beast Boy is a rage monster and calls himself Martian Manhunter? Twist!" EYYY PAISAN YOU THOUGHT I WAS THE HULK? I'M ACTUALLY KAMALA KHAN, AND I'M GREEN AND ITALIAN NOW! MAMA MIA! WOO, TARNATION! AIN'T IT GONNA BE A PICKLE WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THIS OL' HILLBILLY GREEN LANTERN EVERYONE CALLS KYLE IS ACTUALLY DAMIAN WAYNE! AH TOOK SELINA KYLE'S SURNAME WHEN I MOVED TO SPACE ARKANSAS WOO DOGIE OH WHOOPS NOW I'M DEAD KILLED BY CHEEKS THE TOY WONDER PRIME It feels like those Just Two Things I linked to, though granted people love those too.
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Jan 26, 2018 15:24
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Edge & Christian posted:EYYY PAISAN YOU THOUGHT I WAS THE HULK? I'M ACTUALLY KAMALA KHAN, AND I'M GREEN AND ITALIAN NOW! MAMA MIA! I feel like people would eat this up if it was in a Zdarsky or Ryan North comic. What I don't get about Thanos is he's essentially killed everyone worth killing (keeps Ghost Frank around because he enjoys the Penance Stare, I buy that) except the big scary fucker/s he brought his younger self into the future to help him with, but he keeps Hulk around as a pet? The guy who's drat near impossible to kill except for when the plot demands it? You'd think he'd go after Hulk first just to prove he can, and get his murder spree off to a good start. But what do I know, he's probably important to the plot later. Also I put good odds on our time's Thanos killing Old Thanos on his way back to his own time. You can do that without creating a paradox, right?
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Jan 26, 2018 15:59
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I seriously think e&c and brian are way overthinking this. Why the "twist"? What's the draw? Why mash these together in badass,edgy coolness? It's just a joke guys Hey wouldn't it be funny if it turns out the rider is Frank castle? Bam. Done site fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 18:13
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Frank Castle: Spirit of Vengeance is such an obvious, over the top bad rear end thing, that I'm surprised it hasn't happened fifty times over. What makes it funny, and not just a pair of claws away from being the most nineties thing ever, is that he's a silly dude and not at all serious.
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Jan 26, 2018 18:18
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There was that arc where he worked for angels of heaven
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Jan 26, 2018 18:19
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Just from the pages posted I assumed the joke was that you were meant to think that Ghost Rider was Deadpool and the buildup was leading to that and then sudden unexpected swerve to Frank Castle. Maybe because of the way his dialogue is written
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Jan 26, 2018 18:31
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premise, buildup and subversion of expectation for the punchline is one of the basics of comedy but 
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Jan 26, 2018 18:39
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So has there been any hint or idea of who or what voyager is? Personal speculation is that she's just adult kobik.
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Jan 26, 2018 20:28
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frodnonnag posted:So has there been any hint or idea of who or what voyager is? Personal speculation is that she's just adult kobik. Founding member of the Avengers. One of the few who stuck around during the awkward phase. Has teleporty powers. Until recently her existence was erased by a weird power back loop. It's been established quite well. 
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Jan 26, 2018 21:08
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cant cook creole bream posted:Founding member of the Avengers. One of the few who stuck around during the awkward phase. Has teleporty powers. Until recently her existence was erased by a weird power back loop. It's been established quite well. Which will be revealed later that she's been retconned into the history by the Grandmaster as his ace in the hole in the game he's playing against the mystery man.
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Jan 26, 2018 21:14
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I don't think kobik is ever gonna come back
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Jan 26, 2018 21:18
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site posted:I don't think kobik is ever gonna come back Well the whole basis of my speculation is "fucks with time and teleportion" and has grey hair
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Jan 26, 2018 21:28
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Did we ever see The Vanisher (aka Telly Porter) with hair? Maybe his was gray too.
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Jan 26, 2018 21:51
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Okay I guess we really are gonna run this the whole nine yardsEdge & Christian posted:I do kind of question the Mad Libs style of Future/Alternate Universe plotting that a lot of people use these days, especially when you get to those twists of Okay, sure, there's a sort of morbid humor to be found in finding out that Frank Castle of all people has turned, in this far-flung future, into the sort of jokesy nutjob that he once would've shot in the face probably. But it still feels really outweighed by the magnitude of missed opportunities inherent in depicting Frank like this. Frank being a Ghost Rider? Not actually that unexpected! Probably coulda happened a long time ago! And now that he finally is one, we're just gonna make him into...this gangly mofo? Talk about missing the mark. Like, how you gonna make Punisher a Ghost Rider and not give him a hell van? What kind of audacity? What kind of cheek And then you add in the fact that he apparently had Captain America eaten alive by dogs and it's like.........yuh huh. great. Thanks for the read, fellas. It sure was very....written.
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Jan 26, 2018 22:16
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Well of course there's no cheek, he's a skeleton.
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Jan 26, 2018 22:20
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BrianWilly posted:Thanks for the read, fellas. It sure was very....written. Definitely one of the reads of all time.
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Jan 26, 2018 22:21
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BrianWilly posted:Okay I guess we really are gonna run this the whole nine yards Not eaten alive by dogs, eaten alive by the dog. the hulk
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Jan 26, 2018 22:25
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Nessus posted:Well of course there's no cheek, he's a skeleton. 
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Jan 26, 2018 22:29
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I don't think either of these reveals are supposed to be a big deal. The Punisher isn't given a bunch of Punisher things because the story isn't about him and he's not even the Punisher anymore. This is a side story in the Thanos comic and the side story isn't even "What happened to Earth's heroes?" it's "Why was Thanos brought here to help his future self out?" Thanos himself doesn't even know who Frank is. These are less "reveals" and more "context".
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Jan 26, 2018 22:30
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I think I would absolutely hate the actual telling of "how did Frank become this?" It's more of "now who could that be? Oh wow, I'd never have guessed" kind of thing. You are correct in the idea that Cyclops would have worked for the reveal, to a similar reaction. It is just a stupid joke playing off how crusty and rough Frank is and always has been. I'll stop talking about it though, as humor will always be subjective and I won't get anywhere trying to make you laugh at flaming head man.
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Jan 26, 2018 22:40
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I must admit I'm getting more entertainment from the level of investment that's being given to how this is actually not funny at all but is in fact a damning indictment of contemporary comics writing than the actual gag itself
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Jan 26, 2018 22:56
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I think the payoff to the gag is the next page, where Thanos is like "nah, never heard of any Frank Castle" and just wanders off. The Punisher spent his mortal life as a moral crusader, and here at the end of history he's precisely what he hated and one of the few people still alive doesn't care about him anyway. I'll give this whole bit two things though for sure: if you're going to do an apocalyptic riff on the Marvel "herald," Ghost Rider is a great choice. And if you're going to do an apocalyptic riff on the Ghost Rider, Frank Castle is a great choice. I don't know if I'm sold on the jokey, insouciant tone of this particular Frank Castle-Herald-Ghost Rider but I don't know, I think its conceptually neat enough to sell me on it.
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Jan 26, 2018 23:14
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What's this???? Goons overanalyzing something dumb???? Color me shocked!!!
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Jan 26, 2018 23:20
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I think it's good when people talk about comics in the thread about comics. If someone wants to look deeper into something I'm not sure what the issue is unless they're being creepy or racist or whatever. Doesn't need to be a thing.
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Jan 26, 2018 23:34
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One thing can be emblematic of multiple things, pattern recognition is a crucial facet of human cognition. I totally get why creators with genuinely new ideas want to save them for creator-owned projects and the fact that most of the bankable Big Two characters have been around for at least five decades, but this creates sort of a cascading effect over the past twenty five years or so that more and more comics end up being some combination of 1) "Character X has taken over the mantle of Character Y!" 2) "It's Character X from the future/past/other dimension, and they're [evil/a vampire/a zombie/Character Y] 3) What if there's actually a string of Iron Fists/Ghost Riders/Spider-Men/Dogwelders/Bruce Waynes/J. Jonah Jamesons/Hypno-Hustlers that goes back thousands of years? What if there was a steampunk Captain Atom? I think it'd go a little something... like this!" 4) "If there's a Green Lantern, why not a Red Lantern? If there's a green Hulk, why not a Red Hulk? If there's a Midnighter, why not a Nooner?" That's very literally the basis of multiple current ongoing comics, from Old Man Logan to Spider-Gwen to X-Men Blue to Injustice to DC Bombshells. It's the current story arc in Thanos and Supersons, it's the basis for crossovers like Spiderverse/Venomverse and Metal and a bunch of others in the past few years. None of these gimmicks were invented in the year 2000 (or 1980, or 1960) but they've exploded in frequency in the past 10-15 years and while there's a ton of good well thought out stories in all of these veins (the first one barely even counts, given the long-term legacy stories both companies have done) for me at least it's a hurdle to my interest in a book if it looks like it's going to be an extended What If? riff that feels obligated to carry a lot of water to explain how Spider-Man is dead and all of the crazy crazy stuff we're going to spend half the story alluding to. I know a lot of people love it though. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 23:48
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site posted:I must admit I'm getting more entertainment from the level of investment that's being given to how this is actually not funny at all but is in fact a damning indictment of contemporary comics writing than the actual gag itself Puppet master defense eh.
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Jan 27, 2018 00:13
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Nah don't get me wrong when I first pointed out it was just funny I was replying in earnest but now the paragraphs just keep rolling in E: this is where I stopped taking this seriously if I'm being honest BrianWilly posted:Okay sorry let me rewind then. Ahem. site fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Jan 27, 2018 00:16
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I was actually mostly talking about feeding Cap to “the dog” as just the most comic-booky nonsense. But the twist reveal was exactly on that level for me, so whatevs.
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Shinjobi posted:I think I would absolutely hate the actual telling of "how did Frank become this?" Well, I've got bad news from the next issue preview at the end, my friend 
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