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i mean, i understand the reaction about this because as this tweet points out, no one actually pays attention to what judges say most of the time, probably because your average trial isn't blasted on every major news outlet as well as ESPN. i highly doubt there will be a larger trend of looking at what judges say but i don't think "well clearly everyone complaining about this is dumb because it happens all the time and no one cares" isn't the most honest argument because most people probably wouldn't even think to look at this sort of thing. https://twitter.com/emilybazelon/status/956364314511847424 https://twitter.com/emilybazelon/status/956582243652292610 https://twitter.com/emilybazelon/status/956603106745298944 https://twitter.com/emilybazelon/status/956603975444451328 I'm personally of the opinion that the only thing I heard from the judge that I thought was not proper judge behavior was the line about cruel and unusual punishment because a judge giving weight to the idea of retributive prison rape, even in a hypothetical sense, is alarming. (and to head anyone off at the pass, if you want to find more examples of this sort of thing happening go ahead but I'm sure I'll give you the same "that is also wrong and i didn't know that judges telling convicts that they should/deserve to get raped was even an issue" response)
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Obviously with 180+ victims coming forward, it's pretty loving clear Nassar did all those awful things. My worry would be if there was a case like that where the accused were innocent and supposed victims (maybe unaware that the prosecution found the wrong person) started shouting awful things at them for things they didn't do. The Central Park five come to mind. That said, it's an extremely specific example, and I don't think would happen often, especially in the case where there are multiple victims.
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seiferguy posted:Obviously with 180+ victims coming forward, it's pretty loving clear Nassar did all those awful things. My worry would be if there was a case like that where the accused were innocent and supposed victims (maybe unaware that the prosecution found the wrong person) started shouting awful things at them for things they didn't do. The Central Park five come to mind. That said, it's an extremely specific example, and I don't think would happen often, especially in the case where there are multiple victims. The victim statements all happened during the sentencing phase though; legally speaking the person is not innocent at that point The judge was dumb as poo poo when she said she'd let people sexually abuse Nassar if it weren't for the 8th amendment but other than that I can't see anything she did wrong.
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seiferguy posted:Obviously with 180+ victims coming forward, it's pretty loving clear Nassar did all those awful things. My worry would be if there was a case like that where the accused were innocent and supposed victims (maybe unaware that the prosecution found the wrong person) started shouting awful things at them for things they didn't do. The Central Park five come to mind. That said, it's an extremely specific example, and I don't think would happen often, especially in the case where there are multiple victims. I get that, but the victims (e: all the closing speeches we heard, not women/girls who testified during trial I should be clear) all only spoke after he was convicted and there was such a gigantic mountain of evidence against him in the trial that made it a fairly easy conviction. It's not like they were letting random people off the street come in and scream at him.
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DC Murderverse posted:I'm personally of the opinion that the only thing I heard from the judge that I thought was not proper judge behavior was the line about cruel and unusual punishment because a judge giving weight to the idea of retributive prison rape, even in a hypothetical sense, is alarming. (and to head anyone off at the pass, if you want to find more examples of this sort of thing happening go ahead but I'm sure I'll give you the same "that is also wrong and i didn't know that judges telling convicts that they should/deserve to get raped was even an issue" response) Personally I also found the line about her having 'just signed [his] death warrant' a bit disturbing. Yes, maybe she was just implying that he'll die in prison of old age but its an odd way to put it. I think as a judge you have to be extra careful not to appear to say that extra-judicial punishment is OK or something that you'd like to see, which unfortunately she absolutely did by saying she'd like to see him sexually assaulted. I mean I don't think she did anything wrong in terms of sentencing and I think allowing the victim impact statements was a definite good move and a positive one for the victims of sexual assault everywhere. I was just a bit taken aback by her lack of what you could call professional detachment.
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stone cold posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/956503394394542081 Nassar wasn't even licensed to practice medicine there????? So many loving people need to go to prison for loving ever.
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He was an osteopathic physician, which I can't believe is a real thing.
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Oracle posted:Could always just make the Big 10 10 again. Isn’t it up to 12 now or something? the big 10 has 14 teams, the big 12 has 10. GobiasIndustries posted:Oh my god jfc
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:He was an osteopathic physician, which I can't believe is a real thing. Osteopaths are basically the same as allopaths (MDs). Slightly different training, same legal ability to practice medicine.
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Mind_Taker posted:allopaths no.
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AsInHowe posted:I'm excited to see Michigan State's expulsion from the Big Ten, to give that spot to Notre Dame, only to have Notre Dame get immediately expelled for maybe Grand Valley State? They will take the bullet Michigan should’ve taken in 2008 and switch places with Toledo
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Mind_Taker posted:I don't get it. It a word that's typically used by practitioners of various flavours of woo to refer to what would more accurately and descriptively be termed "evidence-based medicine" or "scientific medicine." If you break down the word, "allo" comes from the Greek word for "other," as if it's evidence-based medicine that's odd compared to things like homeopathy and other nonsense.
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PT6A posted:It a word that's typically used by practitioners of various flavours of woo to refer to what would more accurately and descriptively be termed "evidence-based medicine" or "scientific medicine."
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Flayer posted:It's a bit harsh to call homeopathy nonsense. The placebo effect is real and homeopathy is an effective way to utilise it. It won't cure anyone of serious medical issues but as treatment for stress, pain, fatigue, nausea etc etc it can be pretty effective. No actually it's completely appropriate to call homeopathy nonsense. In fact, I can scarcely think of a more appropriate thing to call it. "Bullshit", perhaps? "Predatory snake oil sold by scam artists?"
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PT6A posted:It a word that's typically used by practitioners of various flavours of woo to refer to what would more accurately and descriptively be termed "evidence-based medicine" or "scientific medicine." I was unaware of that, my apologies. I believe that DOs are often referred to as osteopaths and as far as I'm aware there is no negative connotation with that word, so I figured the same was true of MDs and the word allopath. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Isn't an osteopath a bone doctor? E: Huh, no apparently it's basically just the word for people who like pretending to be physiotherapists. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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GobiasIndustries posted:I get that, but the victims (e: all the closing speeches we heard, not women/girls who testified during trial I should be clear) all only spoke after he was convicted and there was such a gigantic mountain of evidence against him in the trial that made it a fairly easy conviction. It's not like they were letting random people off the street come in and scream at him. Yeah, I get that. The Central Park Five popped into my head thinking about it (even to this day Trump thinks they're guilty despite the actual perpetrator admitting to it and his DNA matching!), but there was only 1 victim at the time, so it's not like there would have been lots of victim statements. But if it came out we did some sort of public shaming only to find out years later that the accused were innocent, I'd be pretty upset. And it's not as if our legal system hasn't thrown innocent people in prison before. Again, I think it's fine for this case. It's more of a "looking forward" thing.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't an osteopath a bone doctor? You're thinking of orthopedics
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't an osteopath a bone doctor? That would be an osteologist. Edit: Wait, that's a form of anthropology and archaeology. Whoops.
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The only profession where 'pulling a boner' is a positive outcome.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't an osteopath a bone doctor? Then you call your pathologist's office and are like "Hey, this guy's name is on my bill, but he never saw me." And I say "He had a long conversation with your biopsy. If you saw him you'd be dead. Wakka wakka!"
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A DO is a Doctor of Osteopathy, which goes through all the same medical training as an MD and is recognized as a legitimate doctor in all 50 states and most countries around the world. It used to emphasize osteopathy (the manipulation of the muscles/skeleton to cure disease) but obviously that has fallen by the wayside in recent years. They do still get trained in osteopathic-type practices in addition to all of the regular training an MD goes through, but it isn't really emphasized much. Long story short: DOs and MDs aren't that different anymore.
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Mahoning posted:A DO is a Doctor of Osteopathy, which goes through all the same medical training as an MD and is recognized as a legitimate doctor in all 50 states and most countries around the world. It used to emphasize osteopathy (the manipulation of the muscles/skeleton to cure disease) but obviously that has fallen by the wayside in recent years. They do still get trained in osteopathic-type practices in addition to all of the regular training an MD goes through, but it isn't really emphasized much. DOs are more often kinda sucky, according to the MDs I know. Nor do they make it into the competitive specialties at nearly the same rate.
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Mark Hollis is out as AD at MSU. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/01/26/michigan-state-university-mark-hollis-resigns/1068989001/
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GobiasIndustries posted:Mark Hollis is out as AD at MSU. If anything draws out the Sparty version of Paterno defenders I'm betting it will be this
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Almost the entirety of my dad's side of the family went to Michigan State, including him. The last couple of weeks have been a rollercoaster, and the Facebook comments have been crazy. Lots of "But think of the kids!" when I suggest that maybe the MSU athletic department as a whole should face serious consequences for this. I now know how people related to Penn State alumni felt.
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"Think of the kids" is a weird way to argue against rooting out people who harbour child molesters.
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OwlFancier posted:"Think of the kids" is a weird way to argue against rooting out people who harbour child molesters. You'd think so, but the argument seems to be "But what about the kids whose dream it was to play for MSU? What about them??" If I wanted to start an actual fight I'd suggest giving them scholarships to Michigan or Ohio State.
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Henchman of Santa posted:If anything draws out the Sparty version of Paterno defenders I'm betting it will be this Yeah I haven’t brought any of this up with my dad yet and now I’m definitely not going to because I really don’t know where he’s going to land on this.
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GobiasIndustries posted:Yeah I haven’t brought any of this up with my dad yet and now I’m definitely not going to because I really don’t know where he’s going to land on this. I'm going to but my dad lately has taken up the devil's advocate position on literally everything I talk to him about and also thought Penn State's bowl ban being lifted early was a good thing so I don't know if I want to.
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AsInHowe posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/A2Jess/status/956364868659097600 Putting "Team MSU" first is exactly what she did wrong. I can't believe her audacity putting that in her statement.
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Polaron posted:You'd think so, but the argument seems to be "But what about the kids whose dream it was to play for MSU? What about them??" Don’t most of the “kids” just want to play for a competitive program where they can show off their talents and then make it to the NFL or respective pro league for their sport? It’s like fans taking trades more seriously than the players. Get real, 99% of players want to make money and win championships, they don’t give a gently caress about team pride or history or any of that bullshit.
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PT6A posted:Don’t most of the “kids” just want to play for a competitive program where they can show off their talents and then make it to the NFL or respective pro league for their sport? 99% of players will never make money on sports or win a championship and they know that. There are 130 teams in Division I football alone and about a dozen of them can realistically compete for a title in a given year. Team pride and history is a huge recruiting tool. Players go to schools that suit their needs and interests for sports just like any other kid picking a college.
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Outside The Lines is going all in on Dantonio and Izzo covering up player crimes. 16 football players accused of some kind of violence against women under Dantonio.
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It looks like ESPN, via E60 on Sunday morning, is dropping the bomb on Michigan State football and basketball.
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AsInHowe posted:Outside The Lines is going all in on Dantonio and Izzo covering up player crimes. Yeah....here comes the fun part 
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AsInHowe posted:Outside The Lines is going all in on Dantonio and Izzo covering up player crimes. Dantonio has booted off a lot of players during his time, so is ESPN bringing out new allegations?
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