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Nebakenezzer posted:Is this a thing in ontario Windmills in Ontario are like a steak at the keg. It's fine, does a perfectly mediocre job at what it's supposed to do but then you see the bill and think "we're PAYING WHAT for that??" and want to puke.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Windmills in Ontario are like a steak at the keg. It's fine, does a perfectly mediocre job at what it's supposed to do but then you see the bill and think "we're PAYING WHAT for that??" and want to puke. It's almost like rather than having private companies bid on
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Helsing posted:Toronto's insane housing and rental prices drive most poor and immigrant communities into the inner suburbs where they have awful transit, poorly maintained apartment stock and terrible community planning. The city government mostly just views these neighborhoods as potential sites of future gentrification. Affluent downtown progressives use the existence of Rob Ford as an excuse to poo poo all over everyone living in these neighborhoods. To add one thing to this, the fact that those poor and immigrant neighborhoods outside downtown are very poorly served by city services means the people there are hostile to political arguments that revolve around increasing services, because it's very rare for those services to actually be targeted at helping them and much more common for them to be targeted at helping the affluent people downtown. Spending on the TTC is a good example. The vast majority of those red splotches are served exclusively by TTC bus service (if they have public transit at all), so the people there either rely on the worst and most inefficient part of Toronto's transit system, or they drive their cars. The TTC and its downtown supporters, on the other hand, tend to focus expansion and modernization plans on the dense downtown infrastructure like buying new streetcars, building the Eglinton Crosstown, or planning a DRL to alleviate overcrowding. It's small wonder that people in the poorly-served areas object to having their taxes raised to pay for these things, because they don't benefit from them and historically haven't been considered in the planning of these kinds of projects. Then people come in and wonder why, for example, it was such a popular thing for Rob Ford to be so intransigent on building a single incredibly expensive subway station in Scarborough rather than modernizing the Scarborough LRT, when what he was essentially saying was that the people in Scarborough should be treated the same as the people downtown and should get the same services (in the most inefficient and costly way possible). There are, of course, good reasons why the TTC is structured the way it is, with density being the biggest one: it's not efficient to run costly subway lines out to low-density suburbs. But we shouldn't be surprised when people who don't benefit from city services are opposed to the costly expansion of those services, especially when the politicians in power make very little effort to get their buy-in, and when they're also increasingly alienated by the transformations in our economic structures over the last 40 years. Or, in other words, Risky Bisquick posted:Amalgamated Toronto was and still is a stupid idea
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Hey I live in massachusetts and i'm dating someone who lives in new brunswick, am i loving stupid?
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Misogynice Job! posted:Hey I live in massachusetts and i'm dating someone who lives in new brunswick, am i loving stupid? Better than someone from Alberta
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Misogynice Job! posted:Hey I live in massachusetts and i'm dating someone who lives in new brunswick, am i loving stupid? Assuming their last name is Irving, you're all set.
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Helsing posted:Toronto's insane housing and rental prices drive most poor and immigrant communities into the inner suburbs where they have awful transit, poorly maintained apartment stock and terrible community planning. The city government mostly just views these neighborhoods as potential sites of future gentrification. Affluent downtown progressives use the existence of Rob Ford as an excuse to poo poo all over everyone living in these neighborhoods. I'm curious if you know can confirm this: I had a prof at York I was talking to say that 80% of low income housing in Toronto is approaching or is already past its expected lifespan and we're all set for a major housing crisis (I mean if you don't already call what's happening that) in the next decade as a lot of these apartment building fall apart. I know quite a few of them are already.
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Dreylad posted:I'm curious if you know can confirm this: I had a prof at York I was talking to say that 80% of low income housing in Toronto is approaching or is already past its expected lifespan and we're all set for a major housing crisis (I mean if you don't already call what's happening that) in the next decade as a lot of these apartment building fall apart. I know quite a few of them are already. I don't know where they got that 80% number from, or how they're defining low income housing. I can confirm that of the ~60k units managed by the Toronto Community Housing Corp, roughly 8,000 of them will be uninhabitable within 5 years.
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And I mean the City / TCHC have some pretty lax standards. I'd guess that most of those 8,000 units would be considered uninhabitable today by you or I if we were making the judgment.
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Reince Penis posted:And I mean the City / TCHC have some pretty lax standards. I'd guess that most of those 8,000 units would be considered uninhabitable today by you or I if we were making the judgment. I expect the discussion of how the homes came to be in that state is both articulate and enlightened.
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Misogynice Job! posted:Hey I live in massachusetts and i'm dating someone who lives in new brunswick, am i loving stupid? No, it's not their fault they live in the Missouri of Canada, hate the government, not the people
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Nebakenezzer posted:No, it's not their fault they live in the Missouri of Canada, hate the government, not the people To be fair you\re describing everywhere that isn't Toronto
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Reince Penis posted:To be fair you\re describing everywhere that isn't Toronto lol As someone who's lived in the GTA I have heard people talk in fear of going to Sudbury I want all GTA based posters to ID themselves In addition to regional dickslapping contests and mindless partisanship, another failing of Canada threads is too many Torontonians, which leads to sentiments like "lol who needs a military, we could spend that money on high speed trains to Montreal instead" tend to ruin these threads Not to say Torontonians are narcissistic and myopic, it's just that the center of gravity tends to move south of Steels ave and stay there, below the belt, as it were
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Dreylad posted:I'm curious if you know can confirm this: I had a prof at York I was talking to say that 80% of low income housing in Toronto is approaching or is already past its expected lifespan and we're all set for a major housing crisis (I mean if you don't already call what's happening that) in the next decade as a lot of these apartment building fall apart. I know quite a few of them are already. Here's a 2014 U of T report on low-income families' housing situation in the city: http://neighbourhoodchange.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Paradis-etal-2014-Risk-of-Homelessness-Toronto-Rental-Buildings-RP231.pdf quote:As seen in the figure on the next page, almost nine in ten families live in inadequate housing and are at some risk of homelessness. Only 11 percent of respondents’ housing met minimum standards in all six domains of adequacy.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I want all GTA based posters to ID themselves *in cop borat voice* Okay--y perverts, who is most perverted amongst you???
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Have we decided what symbol we will require the Torontonians to stitch onto their jackets?
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canspam right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q vyelkin has issued a correction as of 19:47 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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ocrumsprug posted:Have we decided what symbol we will require the Torontonians to stitch onto their jackets? no jackets, they'll have to wear these 
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I've lived in the GTA my whole life if you can call that living
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vyelkin posted:Here's a 2014 U of T report on low-income families' housing situation in the city: http://neighbourhoodchange.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Paradis-etal-2014-Risk-of-Homelessness-Toronto-Rental-Buildings-RP231.pdf jesus christ Dreylad has issued a correction as of 20:03 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Presence posted:no jackets, they'll have to wear these I fear we will end up with some misidentified Hamiltonians, but I'm ok with that.
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And a bunch of others from SW Ontario, but Windsor, London and KW are all poo poo too. Dunno about Guelph, but I bet it's also poo poo.
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I'm in winnipeg today and I never realized it while I was living here, but there's a money mart and a dollar tree right beside each other downtown beside the hockey arena with a dollarama right across the street lmao
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Jan 26, 2018 20:31
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Those dead billionaires in Toronto were officially declared a murder by the way Good job
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Reality Loser posted:Those dead billionaires in Toronto were officially declared a murder by the way Didn't they have family troubles further back? Also even as a resident of Toronto I have no idea if we're like neck deep in organized crime, I think the closest thing I've seen/heard about was a furniture store running a casino in the back in Kensington market and like weed dispensaries but this stuff seems to show that it runs deep. I mean Rob Ford was clearly in some poo poo right?
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Zajajaja posted:Didn't they have family troubles further back? Barry Sherman's company Apotex was involved in litigation all over the world regarding drug patents going back a couple of decades. He had many many enemies. I'll eat my hat if this thing ever gets solved.
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Torontonians aren't Canadians, they're Torontonians.
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klockwerk posted:Torontonians aren't Canadians, they're Torontonians. Same but vancouverites
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Reince Penis posted:Barry Sherman's company Apotex was involved in litigation all over the world regarding drug patents going back a couple of decades. eh the only reason to find the murderer would be to give them a medal
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Two less billionaires in the world is a good thing
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Mameluke posted:Two less billionaires in the world is a good thing
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OTOH the investigation for dodgy liberal fundraising has been dropped 🤔
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WilliamAnderson posted:And a bunch of others from SW Ontario, but Windsor, London and KW are all poo poo too. Dunno about Guelph, but I bet it's also poo poo. can confirm that london is a hole, the Cleveland of the North
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Crazy because London has such a hardon for London I would be cool with Windmills if we only ate poo poo on the cost to build them, and we weren't continuously eating poo poo paying an often US corp to sell the unneeded power they generate at an insane price to OPG, which is then sold at a loss back to the US
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Family members are also shocked when their relatives are revealed to be murderers
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So, do you know what the Transit City plan was? Do you know who killed it his first day in office? And to Helsing, the existence of Rob Ford is because the people most affected by his regressive bullshit aren't voting. The deceased Robert Ford's nephew, whose last name was not originally Ford, was elected ward councilor by something like 17% of the entire population of the ward, with over 70% of the vote IIRC. His highest profile rival was Andray Domise, who received approximately a rounding error of votes.
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So yeah, transit improvements tend to be focused in areas that a) don't actively oppose them, and b) advocate for them in their neighbourhoods. loving crazy, right?
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infernal machines posted:So, do you know what the Transit City plan was? Do you know who killed it his first day in office? Look I'm not saying it's rational or good, I'm saying it's comprehensible. People who are poorly served by transit don't tend to use transit, and thus don't see expanding transit as a good thing and are much more willing to vote for people who cancel transit projects even when those projects would have extended service towards them. You can argue all day about which came first, the poor service or the anti-transit attitudes, but they tend to go together. War On The Car sells because there are legitimately a ton of people in the Toronto outskirts who never use transit and drive their cars every day and don't want to pay for other people's transit even if the transit gets extended to their neighborhoods, because they habitually use their cars and thus don't see the benefit of transit. Incidentally, Rob Ford was also popular because he actually bothered to pretend he gave a poo poo about people in poor areas by doing things like returning their phone calls. When you don't tend to interact with city services because you're very poorly served by them because the city doesn't care about you (because you're poor, for example), even small things like pretending to give a poo poo when you get a call from a constituent can make a big difference considering how poor a grasp of policy most people have and how little they actually understand how Ford or any other politician's policy proposals would help or hurt them.
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