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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




So I was wondering if there was special certification for St. Barth (there is and it expires after a year unless I'm mis-reading) but they also have a procedure for landing on RWY28 :catstare:

quote:

Going around is prohibited in short final.
* Take off prohibited

also under hazards:

quote:

RWY 28:
Partially sandy strip far end of the RWY.
Possible presence of pedestrians on the beach, far end of the RWY.
Dazzling risk on final RWY 28 at the end of the day.
From the tower, reduced visibility towards THR 28.

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a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY

I'm bad at recognizing specific models, but that looks a bit like a Piper Seneca. AOPA tells us that a Seneca's landing distance over a 50' obstacle is 2,180'.

Saint Barth's airport has a runway length of 2,133'.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo
That video is rather old dontcha think, AviationDaily?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2o0acIlm4

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
His flaps were still down.

That's a great way to increase your braking distance, guy!


a patagonian cavy posted:

I'm bad at recognizing specific models, but that looks a bit like a Piper Seneca. AOPA tells us that a Seneca's landing distance over a 50' obstacle is 2,180'.

Saint Barth's airport has a runway length of 2,133'.

There's no 50' obstacle at the threshold. It's a steep approach on short final, to be sure, but the POH claims a ground roll of 1100' so you should be okay if you touch down at the midpoint of the runway and use maximum effort braking. Difficult, but not impossible.

However, if you're high and/or fast on the approach, you're totally hosed.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

MisterOblivious posted:

That video is rather old dontcha think, AviationDaily?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2o0acIlm4
So disappointed the firetruck didn't just start spraying it down when it rolled up.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

PT6A posted:

His flaps were still down.

That's a great way to increase your braking distance, guy!


There's no 50' obstacle at the threshold. It's a steep approach on short final, to be sure, but the POH claims a ground roll of 1100' so you should be okay if you touch down at the midpoint of the runway and use maximum effort braking. Difficult, but not impossible.

However, if you're high and/or fast on the approach, you're totally hosed.

If he had put it down on the numbers, he would have been fine. If he put it down on the touchdown markers, he would have had to use his brakes up, but he would have been fine.

He didn’t plant it until somewhere between midfield, and the OPPOSITE END touchdown markers. He was high AND fast. Whoops.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

MrYenko posted:

If he had put it down on the numbers, he would have been fine. If he put it down on the touchdown markers, he would have had to use his brakes up, but he would have been fine.

He didn’t plant it until somewhere between midfield, and the OPPOSITE END touchdown markers. He was high AND fast. Whoops.

Yeah, I meant to say "if he had touched down by midfield", not "at". You'd definitely want to touch down ASAP on that runway.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
The only thing that shook my faith that it was definitely an abort was the video title. Yikes.

marumaru
May 20, 2013




What a coincidence! This morning YouTube recommended me this video which proves that the one you posted is 100% fake. Sad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iF07C9tlTw

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Inacio posted:

What a coincidence! This morning YouTube recommended me this video which proves that the one you posted is 100% fake. Sad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iF07C9tlTw

Someone should advise the FAA about the safety benefits of savescumming

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Don't forget about adding a seatbelt button to the SR-71.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I don't usually watch those videos, but that was fun.

SR-71 didn't get a fair shake though, he wasn't even lined up.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Is this the right thread for questions about PPL training? I imagine I'll have some when I start.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Godholio posted:

I don't usually watch those videos, but that was fun.

SR-71 didn't get a fair shake though, he wasn't even lined up.

And the SR-71 normally has a braking parachute, too. Weak.

I wonder if anyone's done the statistics on how many incidents they could prevent by approaching over the water vs. how many incidents that would create when they pancaked into the hill in a go-around.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Safety Dance posted:

Is this the right thread for questions about PPL training? I imagine I'll have some when I start.

You probably want the Ask/Tell thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3821398

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Thanks!

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Sagebrush posted:

And the SR-71 normally has a braking parachute, too. Weak.

I wonder if anyone's done the statistics on how many incidents they could prevent by approaching over the water vs. how many incidents that would create when they pancaked into the hill in a go-around.

There are no good options. The pilot has longer to make a decision to go around on that runway. It's shorter from the left and basically non-existent from the right.


Runway 10, aka "the usual one you see on video":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df4zoPJjl-E

Runway 28 left:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNIYJWyt79s

Runway 28 right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXlKLe4soTE

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
I dunno if I am late to the party on this, but there is a TON of weird experimental stuff here I had never seen or heard of, with well written medium-sized articles with pictures on them.

https://oldmachinepress.com/

I hesitate to even point out favorites, because everything I've clicked was good.

karoshi
Nov 4, 2008

"Can somebody mspaint eyes on the steaming packages? TIA" yeah well fuck you too buddy, this is the best you're gonna get. Is this even "work-safe"? Let's find out!

Slo-Tek posted:

I dunno if I am late to the party on this, but there is a TON of weird experimental stuff here I had never seen or heard of, with well written medium-sized articles with pictures on them.

https://oldmachinepress.com/

I hesitate to even point out favorites, because everything I've clicked was good.

It seems the front page picture is this engine: https://oldmachinepress.com/2015/09/26/junkers-jumo-223-aircraft-engine/

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Slo-Tek posted:

I dunno if I am late to the party on this, but there is a TON of weird experimental stuff here I had never seen or heard of, with well written medium-sized articles with pictures on them.

https://oldmachinepress.com/

I hesitate to even point out favorites, because everything I've clicked was good.

:spergin:

I reading about the two stroke-horizontally opposed rhombus diesel aircraft engine Jumo tried building, it is an impressive bit of aeronautical insanity

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Nebakenezzer posted:

:spergin:

I reading about the two stroke-horizontally opposed rhombus diesel aircraft engine Jumo tried building, it is an impressive bit of aeronautical insanity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_205

It wasn't just tried, it worked fantastically.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

CommieGIR posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_205

It wasn't just tried, it worked fantastically.



just not in square form

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Nebakenezzer posted:

two stroke-horizontally

:quagmire:

Also I now have a life goal of playing Pong on a Fokker FMS.

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
Bombardier gets US 300% tariff against narrow-body Canadian jetliners struck down :canada:

:trumppop:

pthighs fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jan 26, 2018

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



What the gently caress, 300%?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Potato Salad posted:

What the gently caress, 300%?

clearly you've never seen the magnitude of the tantrum wealthy businessmen can throw when someone beats them at their own game

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Potato Salad posted:

What the gently caress, 300%?

Boeing wanted 70%, gave it to the White House, and they tacked on another 200%

Yeah, I know that's 270%, I'm not sure where the other 30% comes from

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Potato Salad posted:

What the gently caress, 300%?

Technically it was a 219.63% penalty with a 79.82% import tariff on top of it.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

I’m mildly fascinated by historical air charts and similar. Has anyone seen any cold war approach charts for Berlin’s airports? Also, if anyone has or has seen the North Korea AIP, lemme know!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mokotow posted:

I’m mildly fascinated by historical air charts and similar. Has anyone seen any cold war approach charts for Berlin’s airports? Also, if anyone has or has seen the North Korea AIP, lemme know!

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/4j769k/i_found_these_very_old_approach_plates_into/

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Holy poo poo. I am genuinely shocked.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


When did you stop needing to know Morse code to fly instrument approaches?

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

hobbesmaster posted:

When did you stop needing to know Morse code to fly instrument approaches?

-.-- --- ..- .-. / -- --- - .... . .-. / .. ... / ..-. .- - / ... - --- .--.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Ola posted:

-.-- --- ..- .-. / -- --- - .... . .-. / .. ... / ..-. .- - / ... - --- .--.

rude

Ola
Jul 19, 2004


For that I sincerely apologize. I just really enjoy having the sense of expectation and thrill of decrypting end up as a crude insult, and I cannot resist sending them.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
.--. .-. --- -... .- -... .-.. -.-- / ..--- ----- ----- ..... --..-- / - .... .- - .----. ... / .-- .... . -. / -- --- .-. ... . / .-- .- ... / .- -... .- -. -.. --- -. . -.. / ..-. --- .-. / .-. .- -.. .. --- .-.-.-

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

hobbesmaster posted:

When did you stop needing to know Morse code to fly instrument approaches?

Technically that requirement hasn't stopped. You are expected to listen to the station ident any time you tune a new navigation aid, even for things like ILSes. And on something like an NDB approach, which are still out there in places like the Canadian high arctic (but getting to be kind of rare now), you need to listen to the ident the whole time you're flying the approach.

This will likely go by the wayside at some point as most non-precision and precision approaches are replaced by GPS based approaches and all of their other related approach types.

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

MrChips posted:

Technically that requirement hasn't stopped.

You are required to ID the station but not to to know Morse. The dots and dashes are printed by the frequency and identifier on the chart.

Also EFIS (glass cockpit) systems listen to the Morse for you and display the identifier. This is approved to use.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

MrChips posted:

Technically that requirement hasn't stopped. You are expected to listen to the station ident any time you tune a new navigation aid, even for things like ILSes. And on something like an NDB approach, which are still out there in places like the Canadian high arctic (but getting to be kind of rare now), you need to listen to the ident the whole time you're flying the approach.

This will likely go by the wayside at some point as most non-precision and precision approaches are replaced by GPS based approaches and all of their other related approach types.

They barely even teach NDB approaches any more. I know how to fly one, and I’ve flown exactly one in an actual airplane, but there was certainly more focus on practicing ILS and RNAV approaches since that’s what you’ll get on the flight test.

No way I’d fly single-pilot into a place with only an NDB approach at this point (or single-pilot IFR at all, really).

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a patagonian cavy
Jan 12, 2009

UUA CVG 230000 KZID /RM TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE BENGALS DYNASTY
At no point in my instrument training have I been asked to fly an NDB approach, and I've never flown an aircraft with an operating ADF.

I'm gonna fly some approaches in the sim in advance of my CFI-I checkride (one week from today!) but unless my DPE is feeling very spicy, I doubt I'll be asked about NDBs at all other than basic orientation and navigation.

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