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Despera posted:This might shock you but many adults consume alcoholic beverages and still retain the ability to drive Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Kaza42 posted:The only coherent argument I could find is as follows: There's no reason not to play it safe when it comes to human lives. Driving with alcohol in your blood is by definition reckless behaviour. Even if you feel fine your reaction and judgement is impaired and driving a car is in itself a privilege. There's no reason what so ever why someone should *need* to drive with alcohol in the blood. It's a choice you make and for all the wrong reasons. Where I live the limit is 0.02% and people are not really having a problem with that. Just don't drive the day after you drink. Unless you only had one or two beers then you should be fine. All cops have breathalysers and all drivers are tested as a matter of routine when stopped by the police. Police set up checkpoints on Saturday and Sunday mornings where they pull in all cars on a major road and give all drivers breathalyser tests and check their license. If you do get caught above 0,02% then you get fined based on your income (About 1 months wage, -10% per child or +12% if your total wealth is over $150k) your license is suspended for a year. You may get it back sooner if you have an alcohol lock installed in your car. If your level is 0,1% or higher your license is suspended for 2 years. Instead of getting it back you have to take a new license from scratch like when you first earned it. You get fined (About 3-4 monthly wages) The minimum sentencing for this is prison but the prison sentence will be converted to community service if it's your first conviction for drunk driving. If you're unsure of your BAC just don't drive. Or don't drink if you know you need to drive the day after. Katt fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Jan 27, 2018 07:54
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Katt posted:Or don't drink if you know you need to drive the day after.
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Jan 27, 2018 08:20
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Jan 27, 2018 08:23
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Xander77 posted:I don't drink at all, but that sounds dumb as gently caress. In whole countries this is considered common sense. You can drive the day after a few beers but if you went to the bar on Friday night then you take a cab or bus home and don't drive at all on Saturday.
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Jan 27, 2018 08:27
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Xander77 posted:I don't drink at all, but that sounds dumb as gently caress. The RBTs in Australia (that stands for Roadside Breath Testing) pick up a lot of people the morning after a holiday because they're still hungover and therefore over the limit.
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Jan 27, 2018 08:53
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Jan 27, 2018 09:10
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#FursuitFriday ain't no secret, son.
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Jan 27, 2018 09:27
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All of your friends are loving lame Zelda.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:18
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Never thought I'd see Payne endorse electric cars and mass transit.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:26
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You can buy vegan quorn!  A hardcore vegan probably wouldn't eat fake meat anyway though.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:35
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A hardcore vegan should be eaten for his meat.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:36
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Katt posted:In whole countries this is considered common sense. You can drive the day after a few beers but if you went to the bar on Friday night then you take a cab or bus home and don't drive at all on Saturday. Welp I now have zero understanding on how being drunk words. Thought the day after drinking you have some sort of hangover and you aren't impaired anymore. Like it has seriously been what is taught (kinda) in the States. You don't drive after you drink but once you sleep it off you're good. Mantis42 posted:All of your friends are loving lame Zelda. Being such a vegan that you would potentially put stress on a friend who wants to cook you dinner seems like a real dick move. I have nothing but sympathy for whoever is Gluten intolerant, though.
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Jan 27, 2018 10:49
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Ularg posted:Welp I now have zero understanding on how being drunk words. Thought the day after drinking you have some sort of hangover and you aren't impaired anymore. Like it has seriously been what is taught (kinda) in the States. You don't drive after you drink but once you sleep it off you're good. You need to give your body time to process the alcohol out of your system, and that varies depending on how much you have and your persona metabolism. It's possible to drink so much/metabolize alcohol so slowly that you still wake up drunk after a full nights sleep. More commonly you have a bunch of people who stopped drinking only a few hours before, caught a little sleep, and then get busted for a DUI in the morning because they're still pissed. Katt must come from some place with some intense drinkers if waking up drunk is normal enough to make 'don't drive a whole day after drinking a lot' common wisdom. (P.S. don't' drive with a bad hangover either)
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Jan 27, 2018 11:21
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I can't wait for robotic cars to become reliable so that I don't have to listen to the how-much-is-too-much-alcohol-limit arguments. the reduction in drunk accidents would also be good.
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Jan 27, 2018 11:26
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:I can't wait for robotic cars to become reliable so that I don't have to listen to the how-much-is-too-much-alcohol-limit arguments. They will continue to bust people as long as you're sitting in the drivers seat. Like how there are times where you can get a DUI from sleeping in the drivers seat of your car after drinking, even when you are parked and have no intention to drive until you're sober tomorrow.
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Jan 27, 2018 11:29
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So the pro advice is sleep it off in the backseat? Good to know.
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Jan 27, 2018 11:32
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:A hardcore vegan should be eaten for his meat. Well, Zeldas in a relationship, and I think two of them are lesbians.... Pants Donkey posted:Choice nuggets from the Garrison AMA quote:What do you think is the biggest thing we can do (both as individuals and The New Right movement) to ensure success in the 2018 midterm elections? quote:We need to educate people that we are a REPUBLIC and not a democracy. Hillary, Obama and their ilk keep saying 'our democracy this' and 'our democracy that.' It drives me nuts, but that's what the tyrants want--a democracy where they and their media meld the minds of the mob to vote for bigger government largesse and the erosion of individual rights. Once people understand the insidious nature of 'democracy' they'll be less inclined to vote away their liberty. We are a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Leaving aside that it takes two seconds for Garrison to go full fascist, yet still insist that taking voting away from everyone is the only way to ensure our rights, what the gently caress does his answer have to do with the question? So his only solution to Republicans facing consequences for what they do and say, is to just tell people that their voting is stupid and you shouldn't do it?
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Jan 27, 2018 12:19
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there wolf posted:You need to give your body time to process the alcohol out of your system, and that varies depending on how much you have and your persona metabolism. It's possible to drink so much/metabolize alcohol so slowly that you still wake up drunk after a full nights sleep. More commonly you have a bunch of people who stopped drinking only a few hours before, caught a little sleep, and then get busted for a DUI in the morning because they're still pissed. It's not about people waking up drunk. It's about people waking up and feeling fine but with enough alcohol left to impair judgement and reaction time in traffic.
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Jan 27, 2018 12:34
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Fulchrum posted:Leaving aside that it takes two seconds for Garrison to go full fascist, yet still insist that taking voting away from everyone is the only way to ensure our rights, what the gently caress does his answer have to do with the question? So his only solution to Republicans facing consequences for what they do and say, is to just tell people that their voting is stupid and you shouldn't do it? I think it's just that republic = republicans, democracy = democrats, therefore republic good, democracy bad. Like it's Garrison, don't over think this stuff.
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Jan 27, 2018 12:34
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Ramos posted:I think it's just that republic = republicans, democracy = democrats, therefore republic good, democracy bad. This is some Basil Marceaux poo poo.
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Jan 27, 2018 12:58
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Fulchrum posted:Leaving aside that it takes two seconds for Garrison to go full fascist, yet still insist that taking voting away from everyone is the only way to ensure our rights, what the gently caress does his answer have to do with the question? So his only solution to Republicans facing consequences for what they do and say, is to just tell people that their voting is stupid and you shouldn't do it? Garrison believes "democracy" means "big brainwashing gubmint with mob rules" while "republic" means the libertarian freedom to do whatever you want (to minorities).
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Jan 27, 2018 13:32
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Katt posted:
This is way over the top.  Then again, i really like drinking sooo...I am probably not the best person to ask.
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Jan 27, 2018 13:43
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"Why would any take objection to drunk driving laws?" "Also it's totally fine when the Mormon church, proud sponsors of the Zion Wall are able to force through a law even MADD doesn't support." "Also don't drive for 36 hours after drinking." "Also ignore the race and class issues inherent in our entire justice system, how this plays out for the 'privilege' of transportation." Like, I get it. I've lost friends to driving under the influence. American drinking culture is insane, and interacts with our abysmal transportation infrastructure in tragic ways. But a BAC of .05% IS arbitrary. The risk of accidents increase the higher you go, there is no magic threshold, it's a question of how much risk we as a society are willing to take on. You draw the line somewhere, unless you want to take PA's underage drinking laws and apply them to everyone. Hint hint, as mentioned above, didn't fix the problem. In practice it would become a prohibition on DWBs, and we already got our insane drug laws to fill that role.
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Jan 27, 2018 15:06
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Also, like, we tried the Prohibition. It didn't work. We treat it as glamorous now, but a lot of people died, a lot of people were ruined, and maybe that's why people aren't super keen on it despite "drunk driving is bad" being something everyone claims to agree on.
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Jan 27, 2018 15:13
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What about crunk driving?
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loving vegans
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Jan 27, 2018 16:11
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Sir Tonk posted:loving vegans
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Jan 27, 2018 16:37
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:So the pro advice is sleep it off in the backseat? Good to know. If you can reach the wheel then you're in control of the vehicle, and drunk driving is being in control of a vehicle while impaired. It's basically to stop people from drinking more when pulled over and going "No, I wasn't. I am now though, so can you take me home officer!" Which I'm not sure is a real problem but that's how law enforcement explained it to us during briefing #1028934729429 on drunk driving while in the military.
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Jan 27, 2018 16:50
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Sir Tonk posted:loving vegans 
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Jan 27, 2018 16:53
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It already doesn't mean anything to the artist.
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Jan 27, 2018 17:15
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Am I supposed to care about any of these weirdos or is this just a soft gently caress you to any kind of person the artist meets?
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Jan 27, 2018 17:23
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Around here, we have graduated licencing, with an extra, limited driver's license you get after your learner's permit. The only legal blood alcohol level you can have with that license is 0. One beer? You can get a DUI if you're pulled over. Typically people have that one for a few years before they can take a test for their full licence. You also have to have a sign on the back of your car, an "N" for "New Driver," and there's some limitations about how many passengers you can have.
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Jan 27, 2018 17:43
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Zelda got thighs for days.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:04
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Retromancer posted:Zelda got thighs for days. for real
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Jan 27, 2018 18:05
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This does speak to me when I think about the number of smokers who lecture me on the hazards of eating pasta and any food that contains "e markings" You would think that smokers would be permanently banned from lecturing people on unhealthy habits. But so many people are smokers that by consensus they collectively decided that smoking doesn't count. So they will admit to one another that they could do with eating less carbs and to sneaking the occasional sugary snack which they feel guilty about. But smoking is not to be mentioned. It's as if the adverse health effects of canned tuna, refined sugar and GMOs is obvious. But smoking is more a matter of opinion.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:50
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Holy poo poo Lester, what an aggressively dumb take.
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I have to admit, I wasn't expecting "president corrupt, so what" as a defense.
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