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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
So this is pretty amazing. An ancap author by the name of Chase Rachels of the blog Radical Capitalist wrote a book called "White, Right & Libertarian" and got Hans-Hermann Hoppe to write the foreword. Hoppe is an Austrian School economist and a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute who resides in Turkey and who coined the term "physical removal."

Hoppe and the Ludwig von Mises Institute wasn't happy when they learned about the book cover.



The Institute pulled the foreword and also physically removed :rimshot: Rachels' books from their online store. Rachels then wrote a blog post including emails he had with the Institute's higher ups -- what looks like an attempt at both sides doing damage control.

Lew Rockwell, who runs the Institute, then pre-empted Rachels from publishing the book on his own by posting the foreword -- which mainly concerns ideological matters -- on LewRockwell.com with the endorsements of Rachels' work removed from the piece. Rachels accused Rockwell of doing so to make the foreword in the book appear fraudulent. It would look like Rachels had copy and pasted it from the Rockwell website while adding in the endorsement of him after the fact.

Of course, the Institute had no such problem putting its imprimatur to "White, Right, & Libertarian."

Anyways, Rachels' blog is ostensibly ancap but the posts on the front page have titles such as: "White Genocide In South Africa," and "What the Founders *Really* Thought About Race" along with "The 'Open Borders For Israel' Challenge."

The fact that Hoppe lives in Turkey and the cover includes an Islamic crescent probably explains part of it!

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 09:45 on Jan 27, 2018

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I still don't understand what genderfluid is supposed to mean but otherwise this is good

I guess the simplest way to say it is "normally" peeps are either male or female; some more decided than others – genderfluid is somewhere in between and it might change, much like a lot of people change thru life.

My understanding anyway

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



(how are they supposed to get so many helicopters when the world goes under?!)

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

So this is pretty amazing. An ancap author by the name of Chase Rachels of the blog Radical Capitalist wrote a book called "White, Right & Libertarian" and got Hans-Hermann Hoppe to write the foreword. Hoppe is an Austrian School economist and a senior fellow at the Ludwig von Mises Institute who resides in Turkey and who coined the term "physical removal."

Rachels, eh? Sounds like a (((sleeper agent))) to me :godwin:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

The fact that Hoppe lives in Turkey and the cover includes an Islamic crescent probably explains part of it!

Rachels is just continuing the white nationalist tradition in the Austrian School that was started by Murray Rothbard, but the LVMI has the sense to understand that they have to deny those links if they want to keep the billionaire money flowing in. Llewelyn Rockwell was a neoconfederate himself, and only denies it now because it's uncouth.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
This guy Rachels also wrote a book called "Spontaneous Order: The Capitalist Case for a Stateless Society."

The cover is just a picture of the Hong Kong skyline -- which is pretty apt since it is practically libertarian paradise as the whole thing is run by business cartels, particularly real estate.

Apparently Rachels' articulation of Hoppe's line about "physical removal" comes from Stephan Kinsella, who has blogged at Radical Capitalist. Kinsella is a Houston intellectual property attorney and "Austro-anarchist libertarian" theorist who came out of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Kinsella wrote to Hoppe in a letter he published comparing gays in a libertarian society to people who hate science fiction at a Star Trek convention.

quote:

I’ve always thought it clear that what you meant was that in a private, covenant-based order, one that is not only libertarian but also traditionalist and based on the family-based social unit, people who are openly hostile to the underlying norms of this society would tend to be shunned, maybe even expelled (not violently, but consistent with property rights). Some of your uncharitable critics say you mean that homosexuals themselves would be expelled merely for being gay. I thought what you meant was not gays per se, but rather those people openly hostile to the basic cultural norms of society, who openly and habitually advocate incompatible lifestyles/ideas and against the underlying normative purpose of the community—like a guy who hates science fiction would be out of place at a Star Trek convention. Thus, the gay couple down the street who mind their own business would not be expelled, but only those who are openly hostile to the basic heterosexual or private property basis of society.
Well Rachels is publishing the book anyways with a different cover:

https://twitter.com/RadCapChase/status/956578366529900546

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

All of those people belong in a gulag.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
wait what ht efuck what thread is this

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
Lol i didn't realise hhh was still alive, i had assumed he was prolific in the 80s/90s and had since died in the modern economy

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Al! posted:

wait what ht efuck what thread is this

youre a nazi now, thread rules.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

you're a shoo-in for art school, probably

Tfw you spout dumbass right wing ho ho ho only two genders bullshit in the ostensibly leftist forum

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Also Hans Herman hoppe is a huge racist

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
what to do when the turk is the right haplogroup, but worships the mohammedan

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Vincent Van Goatse posted:

you're a shoo-in for art school, probably
The gently caress is this

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

The Big Word posted:

The gently caress is this

All Pro Sexman is a shithead more at eleven

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

Vincent Van Goatse is a historian, so maybe he doesn't know how fluids work.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Vincent Van Goatse is a historian, so maybe he doesn't know how fluids work.

Vincent Van Goatse is a loving moron, he doesn't know how anything works

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
A historian self owning with a poorly thought out burn on arts students is v problematic imo

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

El Pollo Blanco posted:

A historian self owning with a poorly thought out burn on arts students is v problematic imo

You should see the picture he posted of himself if you think that's bad

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Destroying the human race, one fast food mascot at a time

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy7JuGpJM

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Al! posted:

wait what ht efuck what thread is this

Spencer got drunk and came out as pro-kiddy porn. We all got our yuks.

Apes-Ma
Aug 9, 2011

Your cage isn't getting any bigger.
I checked some more, and turns out my "friend" is not only into nazi-apologists, but is also a climate change denier because daddy Peterson told him and thinks Stef Molyneux has "good arguments". He was always a gullible person, but I filled my reactionary bingo card in record time just by looking at his Facebook page.

Also, he posted this:

quote:

Hello Dave! I heard you enjoy a mixture of Cafe Del Mar and 80´s classic rock. I found the perfect thing for you. Mitch Murder!
Mitch is a Swedish guy who specializes in retro 80´s, nostalgic synth and also ambient and pop.

I sometimes just have to sit down and just listen to the genius small references and hidden nostalgic elements in his music. Close my eyes and envision my self rollerblading with Sam Harris down sunset boulevard. I hope you will give it a shot!

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Zeroisanumber posted:

Spencer got drunk and came out as pro-kiddy porn. We all got our yuks.

Wait what I skipped some pagee

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Apes-Ma posted:

I checked some more, and turns out my "friend" is not only into nazi-apologists, but is also a climate change denier because daddy Peterson told him and thinks Stef Molyneux has "good arguments". He was always a gullible person, but I filled my reactionary bingo card in record time just by looking at his Facebook page.

Also, he posted this:

I hate your friend for this first

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Wait what I skipped some pagee

about a week ago, there was a weird sofa livestream where he and some other idiot were getting drunk & spencer is like "child porn is cool because it will prevent molestation", much like rape disappeared when regular porn was invented.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



there we go, it was in the hot take thread:

ps: "american pride" put up an obviously heavily edited version that changes what he says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJiaeC9xJk

Carthag Tuek has issued a correction as of 12:42 on Jan 27, 2018

Apes-Ma
Aug 9, 2011

Your cage isn't getting any bigger.

Weeping Wound posted:

I hate your friend for this first

The "Dave" he is referring to is Dave Rubin by the way.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Apes-Ma posted:

The "Dave" he is referring to is Dave Rubin by the way.

:commissar:

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Apes-Ma posted:

I checked some more, and turns out my "friend" is not only into nazi-apologists, but is also a climate change denier because daddy Peterson told him and thinks Stef Molyneux has "good arguments". He was always a gullible person, but I filled my reactionary bingo card in record time just by looking at his Facebook page.

Also, he posted this:

Hello Dave! I heard you enjoy a mixture of Cafe Del Mar and 80´s classic rock. I found the perfect thing for you. Mitch Murder!
Mitch is a Swedish guy who specializes in retro 80´s, nostalgic synth and also ambient and pop.

I sometimes just have to sit down and just listen to the genius small references and hidden nostalgic elements in his music. Close my eyes and envision my self rollerblading with Sam Harris down sunset boulevard. I hope you will give it a shot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6UAKCU5vEs&t=269s

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

afaik Mitch Murder isn't a chud.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

afaik Mitch Murder isn't a chud.

hopefully not, that's too good a name to waste

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

PetraCore posted:

Yeah this is it for me. I mean there are places it's gray, 13 and 14 year olds can definitely look young enough where it crosses into pathological territory, but for the most part I feel this is correct. And that doesn't make molesting a child any more okay because that's still choosing to take actions, people are responsible for that, but targeting teenagers has different layers to it.

But because people have such an (understandable, reasonable) kneejerk response to the term pedophilia that they don't have so engrained with ephebophelia, it's used to sugarcoat it and make it sound more acceptable by the kinds of people who are into that. It doesn't mean the term itself is bad, but it does mean the well has been poisoned some, I think. I've just stopped 'correcting' it because going 'ACTUALLY, what you experienced is NOT pedophilia, but-' is never a good move.

While this is true I think it is fine to be slightly disingenuous with the distinction in the interest of keeping the waters unmuddied for the casual observers. I.e. call them all pedophiles and ridicule their attempt at distinguishing their own brand of hosed up.

Apes-Ma
Aug 9, 2011

Your cage isn't getting any bigger.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

afaik Mitch Murder isn't a chud.

probably not, but him and ham sarris cruising down the streets with this in the background is a gloriously silly image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee_9_zkZ7jU

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

I just can't even imagine fantasizing about being friends with Sam Harris.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



personally im a huge fan of people who are qualified in some random natural science calling themselves philosophers.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
these guys are charlatans. i'm on a forums-wide warpath on this, but the same reason these sargon types do these hours-long livestreams and debates is the same reason debates were a fetish of the dawkins/hitchens/harris fan club. it doesn't matter what they say, but how they gradually lull you into this receptive state through pure rhetoric and bullshit: it's sophistry. same reason people get drawn into watching televangelists for hours on end.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



how do you work against that though

i mean its one thing to disprove lovely arguments & bullshit, but if their goal is to just yammer on? give em back their own medicine or just "no"+laugh in their faces when they claim something idiotic?

none of that feels like it works. i need a lefty rhetorical retort

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

Krankenstyle posted:

how do you work against that though

i mean its one thing to disprove lovely arguments & bullshit, but if their goal is to just yammer on? give em back their own medicine or just "no"+laugh in their faces when they claim something idiotic?

none of that feels like it works. i need a lefty rhetorical retort

9 grams of lead, obviously

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
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i guess.... what about decorum though!!

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