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Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

Xaerael posted:

Lox, you literally got your companies wrong :p CASE DISMISSED

I have now filed an Amended Post with the court, may it please your honour.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

So, they're basically doubling down on the "WRONG COMPANY THEREFORE DISMISS" defense, yeah?

They do have a section devoted to this (it doesn't say anything new), but Xaerael is just smugly pointing out I used the wrong company name in my zeal to type the post :v:

EDIT: Taxxe duly assessed by a jury of our peers:

Loxbourne fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 27, 2018

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his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Loxbourne posted:

For those who don't want to read it, it can be summarised as follows:

1. CryTek are MEANIES and BAD and WRONG and CIG are LAUGHING AT HOW WRONG CRYREKT ARE.

2. It doesn't matter anyway because the disclaimer at clause 6.1.4 precludes all claims for damages.

3. CryTek are claiming punitive remedies that don't exist (this is a point I'd be interested to see a specialist lawgoon comment on, actually. This is something we can look up).

4. CryTek's definition of "exclusive" can't be right because it would produce absurdities.

5. Ortwin is the BEST LAWYER EVER and CryTek are IMPERTINENT and SCANDALOUS (sic) for saying such nasty things about him and...the other bloke whose name they can't even be bothered to remember.

This is all in the same confrontational and belligerent style as last time, and finishes with a lengthy "no u!"

As before I am a lawgoon but not an American IP and contractual lawgoon, so I will refrain from commenting on the merits and repeat what I said last time. It's written like a smarmy Freeper's manifesto and peppered with statements that CryTek "fails" and "cannot even" and is "so very wrong". The backers will eat it up.

Thanks lawgoon. I did try and wade through it but I have difficulties with lawyer-speak.

I'm taking it this is good for Star Citizen

o9

Einbauschrank
Nov 5, 2009


Probably the F8C is the civilian version of the F8A. The F8C is the "First One is Free" equivalent of the 'Verse. You'll still have to lay down 10k to get the F8A and become the Alpha Sperg.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
That response is all Ortwin. It's gotta be. He's retained FKKS as the attorneys of record but he's writing the response documents.

It's absurdly childish. Like an angry seven-year-old or a petulant teenager, with a constant unending YOU'RE WRONG AND SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY HOW WRONG YOU ARE attitude.

I'm really hoping the judge grants a Motion to Compel the Defence to Grow The gently caress Up. Skadden's tone of weary politeness is their best argument at this point.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Loxbourne posted:

The backers will eat it up.

ofc



https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7tccxu/cig_responds_to_cryteks_response_to_the_mtd/

Enot
Feb 18, 2016

tuo posted:

Lol, they actually only fixed it at one place...the other forms - which don't handle passwords though, just reset request and two-factor authentication, still have the flaw:



Suddenly everybody knows everything about web development

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

I'm getting the distinct impression that CIG will settle over Ortwin's (un)dead body.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

CrazyTolradi posted:

I'm getting the distinct impression that CIG will settle over Ortwin's (un)dead body.

That will depend on the terms of the settlement, of course.

CIG agrees to pay all the monies; Crytek agrees that Ortwin is a good lawyer and also here's a ticket to and a house lease in a non-extradition country.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/richard_kyanka/status/957063995197927424

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."
This is kinda why I'm hoping Crytek is feeling personal animosity, rather than this just being them collecting on what they're due and it being just business. If it is the latter, then yea - settlement for hefty monies is deffo still in the cards. But if it's the former, Ortwin will get rekt so hard if discovery of any kind happens, let alone if this actually goes to trial.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

Dark Off posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHY-ODm51QU.
And obviously the dreams are still dreams, but hey at least the thing exists in the verse.

Pro-Click. Space Madness within.

Baxta
Feb 18, 2004

Needs More Pirate

quote:

See Frittelli, Inc. v. 350 N. Canon Drive, LP, 202 Cal. App. 4th 35, 43 (2011) (citing Cal. Civ. Code § 1668). That is precisely what the parties agreed to here.

In exchange for a significant buyout license fee (almost €2 million), Crytek agreed to limit CIG’s exposure to the maximum extent allowable by law: to damages caused only by “intentional acts or omissions or gross negligence.” GLA § 6.1.4. This provision is valid and enforceable under California law. In Frittelli, a shopping center tenant sued its landlord for, inter alia, negligence and breach of the lease’s express covenant of quiet enjoyment, alleging that the landlord’s renovations to the shopping center completely destroyed the tenant’s donut business.

See Frittelli, 202 Cal. App. 4th at 40-42. The lease provided that “the lessor had no liability under ‘any circumstances’ for breaches of the lease and negligence for damages or injury arising from ‘any . . . cause’ in the areas of the shopping center outside the leased premises or for injuries to the lessee’s business.”
Id. at 45.Based on this provision and the longstanding right of parties in California to limit their liability for breaches of contract and negligence, the trial court granted summary judgment in favor of the landlord and the Court of Appeal affirmed. The court held that “the parties’ intent, as expressed in the agreement, was to exempt the lessor from liability for breach of the lease and ordinary negligence.”

The court further held that the conduct the tenant attributed to the landlord, though characterized as gross negligence, did not rise to that level based on the facts pleaded in the complaint and affirmed the dismissal of that claim as well.
at 52-53. Just like the parties in Frittelli, the intent of Crytek and CIG, as expressed in Section 6.1.4 of the GLA, was to exempt the parties from liability for breaches of the GLA and ordinary negligence, while preserving the parties’ rights to seek damages in the event of intentional torts or gross negligence. GLA § 6.1.4.

And just like the tenant in Fritelli, whose claim for gross negligence was dismissed because the facts pleaded in its complaint did not meet the high standard for that cause of action, Crytek has failed to plead
any facts in the FAC to show that Crytek’s ordinary claim for breach of contract constitutes “an intentional act or omission or gross negligence” that allows the claim to fall outside the damages exemption of Section 6.1.4. Accordingly, Crytek’s claim for breach of contract should be dismissed in its entirety, with prejudice.


Ah the doughnut defense. A risky move, lets see how it plays out.

Gravity_Storm
Mar 1, 2016

I lold when they started the doughnut story.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Hopefully CIG can find an expert witness in regards to donuts.

Baxta
Feb 18, 2004

Needs More Pirate

Gravity_Storm posted:

I lold when they started the doughnut story.

quote:

Crytek argues that “[e]ven if the Court determines that Defendants were permitted to switch engines and did in fact do so, Defendants’ argument fails to account for the full year of infringing conduct between Defendants’ announcement of the separate, standalone Squadron 42 on December 16, 2015, and Defendants’ eventual engine switch on December 23, 2016.”

However, this argument fails because, as of December 23, 2016, Squadron 42 was still in development and had not yet been released — a fact admitted by Crytek and contained in the incorporated 2016 Press Release.

See Crytek’s claim that the alleged spinoff of Squadron 42 violates the GLA is a clause in Exhibit 2 to the GLA stating that “the Game does not include any content being sold and marketed separately, and not being accessed through the Star Citizen Game client.” GLA at 18 (emphasis added). To exceed the scope of the license pursuant to this provision, not only must Squadron 42 be “sold and marketed separately,” it also must be “accessed through the Star Citizen Game client.”

As of December 23, 2016, Squadron 42 was not “being accessed” at all, either “through” or outside “the Star Citizen Game client.” Accordingly, Crytek’s claim that Defendants breached the GLA (or engaged in copyright infringement) merely by announcing that Squadron 42 would be sold as a standalone game fails as a matter of law.

I could quote this whole thing hahaha.

Its a combination of "Wrong company!", "We aren't even making a game!" and "Doughnut law is the same as licensing!"

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

SomethingJones posted:

Reverse The Verse Jan 26 2018
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/222623015?t=32m11s

@32:11

Chris Roberts:
YEAH on the VR FRONT, um, you know, the game's very much built to be VR FRIENDLY because, you know... like al-um... almost all the UI is DIAGETIC and the stuff that isn't we're putting more into being DIAGETIC and we wanna improve the whole DIAGETIC FEEL... ah... so... ahh... you know... our biggest HOLDBACK on the VR is really just we're still doing so much base level REFACTORING and the ENGINE and the RENDERER will, you know, be starting on you know, the X... the VULKAN, the X12 kinda REFACTOR as well, a-and we're doing so much OPTIMISATION that we sorta feel like, 'we've gotta get that done... FIRST', and... get the base level engine stuff more like FINISHED, not constantly working REFACTORING

And then we'll... we'll PUT VR...

Cos we had actual, you know, VR support quite a while ago but again as we CHANGE stuff it BREAKS and then your engine team, you go, 'are they gonna go fix the VR stuff? Are they writing that new... that new... you know like the PROCEDURAL PLANETS that EVERYBODY can experience', and... so that's always been... that's kind of what's happened in those situations

But once all that stabilises of course we're gonna go and get that supported and when we're building things, you know, we're aware of like I said the DI... putting everything in the world itself, ah... which is quite friendly for VR or... you know... and moving your head around and TRACKING the same thing it's like... we track... ah... your HEADLOOK and actually, you know, I... I'd thought that we'd turned it on in 3.0 but it will be something that you can disconnect your LOOK from your AIM... as a PLAYER... ah, you know the AI can already do that...

Cos that's also something that's potentially useful where you're... you know... you're a CERTAIN way, you don't have to look around to like move your gun to look at it



‘Star Citizen’ to Refocus on VR Support in Early 2016
https://www.roadtovr.com/star-citizen-to-refocus-on-vr-support-in-early-2016/

Chris Roberts:
The status of VR integration is that we’ve been pretty busy with getting [Alpha] 2.0 [out] and we’re trying to get 2.1 so I would say we still have some stuff to integrate from the most recent CryEngine drops. They’ve been actually doing quite a lot of VR, I’m pretty sure you guys have noticed that they’ve completely doubled down and they’re all VR now.

So there are some updates on VR that we need to integrate in. It’s a little more complicated because we’ve changed the engine so much, we’ve changed the rendering pipeline to enable us to do a lot of things that we need to do so it’s not very easy. Nowadays we’ve diverged from CryEngine where we don’t take regular updates from them any more although we will cherry pick certain features that maybe we’re not working on that we think would help out well and VR is a good example of that.

So it’s really just a matter of getting some engineering time in the Frankfurt team. The Frankfurt team… [includes many of] the guys that originally did the VR work at Crytek so they know it pretty well but I would be expecting it to get up to speed with the most recent [VR] stuff sometime early next year.



TL;DR:

2016:
Frankfurt team will be up to speed on VR integration after we integrate new CryEngine updates into the base engine.

2018
We'll put in VR after we integrate Vulkan and X12 refactors into the base engine.

If you gently caress all the basics up in DX, Vulkan is not going to help you.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
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:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Baxta posted:

Ah the doughnut defense. A risky move, lets see how it plays out.

Like doughnuts, CryTek GMBH's lawsuit is full of holes :smuggo:

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016


I need a refund.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Filthy leaver.

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

Malachite_Dragon posted:

So, they're basically doubling down on the "WRONG COMPANY THEREFORE DISMISS" defense, yeah?

It's a real drat shame Skadden figured that out and took precautions against it. It's almost as if they expected some sort of smoke and mirrors from CIG.

:thunk:

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003
Star Citizen: IMMATERIAL, IMPERTINENT, AND SCANDALOUS

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007


Harsh but fair

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

Baxta posted:

Ah the doughnut defense. A risky move, lets see how it plays out.

I may not be a lawyer, but, if this reply were taken as true, wouldn't that mean the contract is completely pointless as they are arguing the contract specifically says no-one can sue anyone if the contract isn't followed?

(I can easily have gotten confused. Sorry)

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"


Says the imaginary tank.

Pixelate fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jan 27, 2018

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

drat it.

A TOS is a TOS though, there's no squirming out I guess.

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003

Baxta posted:

Doughnut law
Vince_Face01.png

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003
Calling it now Citizens will see this as another crushing blow because they assume that a judge wants to see a bunch of brutal takedowns while reading a legal document like they do.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

tuo posted:

It punches above its width

Come on this was an easy one!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

thatguy posted:

Calling it now Citizens will see this as another crushing blow because they assume that a judge wants to see a bunch of brutal takedowns while reading a legal document like they do.

Of course they will. "Ah man that was so fucjing savage, look at CIG replying to a law thing they are so cool and awesome" they'll say where their brains can't quite comprehend the response.


At this stage you could literally propr up the corpse of Star Citizen, hide in a non-extradition country for the rest of your life, and they would still keep the faith as long as the strings on the puppet don't cut loose.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





The absolute funniest thing about this is watching Citizens react to every argument CIG makes like it's the word of God.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
:downs: Mr Roberts, Mr Roberts! Where are you going with all that money?

:butt: Oh... uhhh, hey, er... I'm taking this money to ehhhhhhh the bank to uh make sure it gets DEPOSITED.

:downs: Oh, that makes total sense. Wow, you must have like millions of dollars in there huh?

:butt: Haha, errrr... yeah. New sale last week uhhh really helped us out hehe.

:downs: It was my pleasure, sir! *salutes*

:butt: Welp, gotta go to a meeting in Samoa.


*door slams shut* *walking noises* *bmw engine starts* *tire screeching* *plane noise*

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

Sillybones posted:

Pro-Click. Space Madness within.

I really like the quantum locked doors that only open if you're not looking at them.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Beet Wagon posted:

The absolute funniest thing about this is watching Citizens react to every argument CIG makes like it's the word of God.

WELL OF COURSE, DUMMY! IF CIG WAS WRONG THEY WOULD ADMIT IT!

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Loxbourne posted:

For those who don't want to read it, it can be summarised as follows:

1. CryTek are MEANIES and BAD and WRONG and CIG are LAUGHING AT HOW WRONG CRYREKT ARE.

2. It doesn't matter anyway because the disclaimer at clause 6.1.4 precludes all claims for damages.

3. CryTek are claiming punitive remedies that don't exist (this is a point I'd be interested to see a specialist lawgoon comment on, actually. This is something we can look up).

4. CryTek's definition of "exclusive" can't be right because it would produce absurdities.

5. Ortwin is the BEST LAWYER EVER and CryTek are IMPERTINENT and SCANDALOUS (sic) for saying such nasty things about him and...the other bloke whose name they can't even be bothered to remember.

This is all in the same confrontational and belligerent style as last time, and finishes with a lengthy "no u!"

As before I am a lawgoon but not an American IP and contractual lawgoon, so I will refrain from commenting on the merits and repeat what I said last time. It's written like a smarmy Freeper's manifesto and peppered with statements that CryTek "fails" and "cannot even" and is "so very wrong". The backers will eat it up.

Remember when I took one look at the first CIG response and immediately said that Ortwin probably wrote it, then gave it to FKKS to review and file? This latest infantile response is even more damning proof of that. This is all Ortwin. Every single email or legal exchange we have had with him, has this same hostile/confrontation tone. He's playing to the toxic backer, and investor base, not the courts.

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tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Fire and fury indeed.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

I figured the backers would like fire and furries.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Baxta posted:

I could quote this whole thing hahaha.

Its a combination of "Wrong company!", "We aren't even making a game!" and "Doughnut law is the same as licensing!"

It's loving amazing in its incompetence.

For one thing, they are citing a press release which THEY released, as being grounds in support of an already tenuous argument. All that does is open the door for Skadden to go "OK, fine, prove it". Which is where forensic source code analysis comes in.

Then, going for broke, he's basically claiming that because SQ42 is still in development, that it couldn't possibly be a breach of the GLA. I don't even.

With each new filing, all they are doing is giving the judge grounds to deny their motion in its entirety, thus setting the case for discovery and a subsequent trial (barring a settlement).

As infantile and unprofessional as their responses have been, this one takes the loving cake.

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Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


D_Smart posted:

It's loving amazing in its incompetence.

For one thing, they are citing a press release which THEY released, as being grounds in support of an already tenuous argument. All that does is open the door for Skadden to go "OK, fine, prove it". Which is where forensic source code analysis comes in.

Then, going for broke, he's basically claiming that because SQ42 is still in development, that it couldn't possibly be a breach of the GLA. I don't even.

With each new filing, all they are doing is giving the judge grounds to deny their motion in its entirety, thus setting the case for discovery and a subsequent trial (barring a settlement).

As infantile and unprofessional as their responses have been, this one takes the loving cake.

because its 2018 and we all know that nothing matters anymore so just you watch, the judge will dismiss the case because that would be the dumbest outcome here

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

This would be an interesting argument to make were this a motion for summary judgment. It's not! You cannot claim there's no case by deciding it on its merits on a Motion to Dismiss! These are things you have to decide with a trial because there's a genuine controversy as to law and the facts. This is not the place to make such arguments, all Crytek has to do is allege that there is a breach of the contract and the case can go forward because that's the entire loving point of the lawsuit in the first place.

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Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Is there a Greek legend about a man who tries to piss on a fire and Zeus curses him to never be able to stop pissing and also his piss is now gasoline?

Because if there is I'm really surprised by how well it lines up with what's happening here. Really makes you think.

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