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Spoderman posted:Thanks for posting this! I signed up, and hell, I plan to run. I'm pretty tempted myself honestly - can't hurt.
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i should mention that your responsibilities as a county committee member are to get a handful of signatures to get on the ballot and show up at the party committee meetings held every six months or so. that's it. there's barely any effort involved
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that was already gonna be my platform - "I'll go to the meeting"
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I signed up too. Why the gently caress not, I'll run!
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https://twitter.com/GannettAlbany/status/957246645657325568 What if Texas, but cold? 
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what's cool about new york is how much better off the nation and world would be without it
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If only the biggest majority-minority city in the country would just go away -forums poster zeal
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CEOs want ethics reform in Albany? Do they mean like ... less ethics than we have now? In education news that's a little late, Cuomo vetoed the maintenance of effort bill yet again: http://www.albanystudentpress.net/cuomo-rejects-suny-cuny-funding-legislation/ He also pushed off considering a well supported proposal from Community College presidents to shift funding off of a per-student FTE model to a model similar to the 4-year SUNY institutions (more of a line item funding method) Considering the Excelsior Scholarship has actually had a small but measurable negative effect on already dropping Community College enrollment, things are starting to get worrisome.  I work in a bougie area so it's not completely terrible for us yet but "good" economy always depresses CC enrollment and the state really has never kept up their end of the funding. Even our notoriously stingy county is stepping up to increase funding. If Cuomo really supports education like he constantly says something will have to change soon on both the 2 and 4 year fronts. Or we can wait till the economy tanks and hope for 2008-2010 numbers again! 
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LegionAreI posted:Considering the Excelsior Scholarship has actually had a small but measurable negative effect on already dropping Community College enrollment, things are starting to get worrisome. How does that work?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:How does that work? CCs generally get a decent amount of students who would get into 4-year schools academically but want to save money or can't afford the full 4 years. They are generally on the edge of getting scholarships at 4-years so they don't have that option, and may not be so poor they can get Pell. They often qualified for a free ride with my school because we have specific county-based scholarships for exactly those cases, then transferred and saved a bunch of money. With Excelsior, those students can skip a community college now because the money part is taken care of, or for the "good" students they can do what they wanted in the first place and go the full four years at their first choice state school. LegionAreI has issued a correction as of 18:55 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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LegionAreI posted:CCs generally get a decent amount of students who would get into 4-year schools academically but want to save money or can't afford the full 4 years. They are generally on the edge of getting scholarships at 4-years so they don't have that option, and may not be so poor they can get Pell. They often qualified for a free ride with my school because we have specific county-based scholarships for exactly those cases, then transferred and saved a bunch of money. Oh. I see.  They would still save on the lack of required on-campus living, though, right? That can cost a fortune in itself, and I don't think Excelsior covers that.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Oh. I see. I think the trend has been out sourcing on campus living. I went to a CUNY on Staten Island and they eventually put up their own dorms. But the dorms are owned and ran by a private company
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KomradeX posted:I think the trend has been out sourcing on campus living. I went to a CUNY on Staten Island and they eventually put up their own dorms. But the dorms are owned and ran by a private company I mean, it doesn't really matter whether it's private or not, it's the fact that it's pricier than market/stay at home, and is mandatory for, I want to say freshmen in many universities.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I mean, it doesn't really matter whether it's private or not, it's the fact that it's pricier than market/stay at home, and is mandatory for, I want to say freshmen in many universities. Oh I tought you were talking about the cost of operating the dorms. And yes they were much moor ridiculously expensive than some of the off campus renting that a bunch of people did before (and probably still do) they went up
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KomradeX posted:Oh I tought you were talking about the cost of operating the dorms. And yes they were much moor ridiculously expensive than some of the off campus renting that a bunch of people did before (and probably still do) they went up Yeah, so what I'm saying is, I imagine most CC's don't have residency requirements, so you can save by renting outside with some friends/staying with the parents while you take those first two years.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Oh. I see. You'd think, but a lot of the community colleges now offer dorms as an attempt to shore up enrollment, attract international students, etc.We do, and as said before they are run by our association, which is technically a different company. Community College residence hall issues are a whoooooole other discussion, but yes, students now have the option for that at many of the county-based CCs now. I would hope a fiscally-concerned student (and family) would consider commuting/pooling with friends first but sometimes that isn't what they want.
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LegionAreI posted:You'd think, but a lot of the community colleges now offer dorms as an attempt to shore up enrollment, attract international students, etc.We do, and as said before they are run by our association, which is technically a different company. It's so weird to me, because where I went to undergrad, you had to show financial concerns or win a scholarship to be allowed to live on the highly-subsidized dorms.
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At U Texas in Austin, freshmen got preference for dorms, and food etc was included as part of the costs. It was still more expensive then living off campus, but it's a good "half-way house" for people living on their own for the first time.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/GannettAlbany/status/957246645657325568 How about we reform their necks instead. 
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When I went to Dutchess Community College, I was in the first group of students to live in the dorms, which opened during my second year. I didn't really want to live there, but my childhood house had been foreclosed and it was the cheapest option. A lot of students were there for the "college experience" and were highly obnoxious. One of my roommates failed out on the first semester. Dutchess is a good school though. I had to go there because I couldn't afford a four-year school off the bat and my high school grades were good but not good enough for scholarships
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My dad is an adjunct at Dutchess, it's a nice place. I spent a year loving around (instead of attending classes) there.
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LegionAreI posted:Community College residence hall issues are a whoooooole other discussion, but yes, students now have the option for that at many of the county-based CCs now. 
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I work at Dutchess, so the post above me kinda sums up what the deal is on a larger scale. And because I work there I'm being a bit judicious about how I say things.We have some great students in the residence hall. However, your "typical" community college student already has a larger range of challenges to overcome if they are going to excel. For a lot of them, if they have their support structures in place they do great. But put them on their own and it just falls right apart in sometimes spectacularly stupid ways. AKA the student I had who told their advisor they couldn't wake up for my class. My class was at 2pm. That one is tame but I'm sure you can imagine other possibilities! Add in that it's been extremely difficult to retain key staff in that area and it can be a problem. Suprise, it takes a lot of investment to make a dorm into a true "learning community" and we are only just now catching up to that after 6 years. We aren't the only ones discovering this and we are in a somewhat better position than a lot of places to address it due to being a good school to start with. But. Our main cash flow is tuition, that's going down because of all the stuff I wrote above, and it snowballs. Welcome to SUNY! LegionAreI has issued a correction as of 23:16 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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oh poo poo, lots of DCC folks itt what department are you in?
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majormonotone posted:oh poo poo, lots of DCC folks itt Computer science. Suprising, I know Cue DCC goons asking every faculty member if they have stairs in their house LegionAreI has issued a correction as of 01:56 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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LegionAreI posted:CCs generally get a decent amount of students who would get into 4-year schools academically but want to save money or can't afford the full 4 years. They are generally on the edge of getting scholarships at 4-years so they don't have that option, and may not be so poor they can get Pell. They often qualified for a free ride with my school because we have specific county-based scholarships for exactly those cases, then transferred and saved a bunch of money. I don't understand. you're upset that good students can start out where they belong now without stopping at a garbage tier school first?
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Ogmius815 posted:I don't understand. you're upset that good students can start out where they belong now without stopping at a garbage tier school first? No, he's worried that community colleges, which are already tight on funds, are being stressed even more. If you think CCs are lovely garbage for people on the wrong side of the meritocratic divide, then this shouldn't worry you.
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also lol if you think the average four-year college is significantly better than the average CC for anything but a name on your resume
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Grondoth posted:No, he's worried that community colleges, which are already tight on funds, are being stressed even more. If you think CCs are lovely garbage for people on the wrong side of the meritocratic divide, then this shouldn't worry you. That's just another way of saying that he's concerned that NY doing more to help prospective college students make their way to the last dollar is helping financially disadvantaged but high achieving students attain their goals because that happens to be bad for his employer. I have to tell you I'm not sympathetic. He's literally regretful that the government is helping students pursue four year degrees. That's so gross.
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Ogmius815 posted:That's just another way of saying that he's concerned that NY doing more to help prospective college students make their way to the last dollar is helping financially disadvantaged but high achieving students attain their goals because that happens to be bad for his employer. I have to tell you I'm not sympathetic. He's literally regretful that the government is helping students pursue four year degrees. That's so gross. I think you’re deliberately being obtuse here. What we’re talking about is a perverse incentive created by the fundamentally hosed up funding formula the state uses for higher ed, and the specific effect that Exelscior has in that context is that community colleges suffer, and become less able to serve those students for whom excelsior is, for whatever reason, not an option. (And who are often the most vulnerable and in need students - returning adults, part time, etc.) That’s not “boo boo my employer is hurt because some people have new opportunities” unless you’re trying real hard to misunderstand the context.
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I guess it's just weird to frame that as a problem with excelsior rather than a problem with the SUNY system itself. But that framing is in keeping with the kind of criticism of excelsior I've heard since the beginning, which has often come pretty close to saying that excelsior is actually bad simply because it is in many ways imperfect.
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Let's not put words in my mouth here. I'm happy for students to get their education in any way they can. I went straight to a 4-year state school, after all. But someone asked me to explain how Excelsior had a negative effect on Community College enrollment. I explained. The overall issue is that funding for all education in New York is hosed up no matter what kind of nice-sounding bandaid Cuomo puts on it. That goes for all schools. That, and there is a continual issue with state and SUNY initiatives that get tossed out in big speeches by the Governor or the Chancellor without any thought about the details. Requirements and the application process for Excelsior were literally made up on the fly after the announcement with financial aid people at all schools scrambling to come up with something workable after FREE RIDE was blasted all over the news. The State helped but as far as I'm told they were pretty clueless as to what Cuomo wanted too. The fact that they did get it out there and got some students in was amazing. If it helped someone, great! But it did have some unforeseen consequences that could have been mitigated with a real development process and an actually viable funding model in place. Do we even know if Excelsior is sustainable? How are we going to police the residency requirement? Nobody knows! As we know, though, hard work and hard choices about education that are sustainable and scalable are BORING. We need awesome sound bytes and flashy initiatives that play well on TV! But when well supported and well-researched proposals to start addressing a massive issue come forward, it's veto or "oh we need to look at that in it's proper place." (Never) That's what I'm upset about, not that Community Colleges lost some students. I'm upset that Albany's answer to a fundamental problem for SUNY as a whole is slapping sparkly stickers on it. LegionAreI has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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LegionAreI posted:Computer science. Suprising, I know Hply poo poo, you definitely know my dad. He's in his 70s and teaches introductory classes.
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This is a good post. The concern about funding is awfully valid. Imagine if Excelsior only funded people to go to private universities. We'd have the same problem, shifted up a run on the meritocracy ladder. Also, lol at tons of people getting super defensive about CC when no one was even talking poo poo. E: But also, more CC dorm stories please!!!!!
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sorry to interrupt community college chat. i have nothing to add there because i don't have any personal stories about that but it's fun to read cuomo is expected to call special elections for the 11 vacancies in the legislature on April 24. this includes two senate seats vacated by Rubin Diaz Sr. and George Latimer. the former seat is a shoo-in for Luis Sepulveda, who will be a marked improvement over Diaz. the other one will be hotly contested because it's in Westchester County and the GOP has been eyeing it for a while under the arrangement made a couple of months ago, the mainline and IDC caucuses will reunite. i'm sure that won't stop people from challenging the likes of Peralta, Hamilton, Alcantara, and Klein, but it'll probably ruin a lot of the challengers' momentum there's a catch, of course- the budget is typically decided in late March, and there's still the issue of Simcha Felder. if i had to guess, he'll probably stay with the GOP and wait until the midterms to see how things shake out. but i was wrong about Miner so 
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get that OUT of my face posted:sorry to interrupt community college chat. i have nothing to add there because i don't have any personal stories about that but it's fun to read Why even bother at this point? Might as well wait an additional 7 months for the general elections.
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I’d imagine it’s to cement some sort of incumbency advantage.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:This is a good post. The concern about funding is awfully valid. Imagine if Excelsior only funded people to go to private universities. We'd have the same problem, shifted up a run on the meritocracy ladder. in fairness I did call them "garbage tier". that was wrong of me, community colleges are wonderful institutions that provide access to education to many people. there should be more of them and they should have more money. if it isn't clear from my posting, I often say dumb poo poo that I have not thought through because I am bad. Ogmius815 has issued a correction as of 23:42 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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99 CENTS AMIGO posted:I'd imagine it's to cement some sort of incumbency advantage.
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