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Henchman of Santa posted:This post is funny to me because I’m a Michigan State fan who’s currently ashamed of my favorite teams but a Wooster alum who’s proud of current students for fighting for racial justice this week Jesus Christ, how many GLCA goons are there (Denison grad/OSU fan here, son of Wooster grad/OSU fan). fishing with the fam posted:From the minute they first put on a helmet in peewee football to when they take if off after high school graduation players have it beaten into their heads that football is what matters by their coaches, parents, and peers. Especially in some smaller rural communities, high school football is insanely important to a lot of people. When you are entrenched in that mindset for a majority of your life, it doesn't shock me at all that football is the primary driving force for college choice, regardless of pro prospects. This is pretty much nail on the head in most of these cases. Everyone likes to point at Penn State/Baylor/Florida State as these instances where the power system/stakes were enough to cause this, but it really doesn't even take that much power at the macro level to do so. Look up Steubenville High School's problems with this from the last decade to see what I mean. Yeah, we can theoretically get the universities to clean up their processing and handling of these incidents, but it doesn't go away without finding a way to eradicate the Steubenvilles of the world from feeding this crap upwards.You can't really even model or process this stuff without understanding that football and other sports are literally a cult, and there's a reason I use that term. So, religious scholars have a theory called "Deprivation Theory" that basically says people find religion when they feel deprived of meaning or reason for their state in life. As such, you see evangelicals gravitate towards prosperity gospel types that tell them they're successful because God wants them to be, etc. If those needs aren't being met by existing groups, people will group up and deify something else--in this case a literal cult of football. For some fanbases who believe their teams deserve success or want something to distract themselves with, that team becomes the thing of worship and what everything is committed to. If a cult feels they have the incentive to do so, they will cover something up. Whether that's a guy stealing a candy bar, committing rape, or creating a ponzi scheme, they will protect whatever keeps them from feeling deprived of meaning in their own lives. And frankly, there's something horrifically human (in the bad way) about that, because even if we correct that behavior, they might move onto something else as long as there's some type of hole to fill in their live. It's about power, whether at the individual or group level, and we're going to have to reckon with that as a country because the desperate loving grasp for any type of power over our own lives empowers some of the biggest monsters in the world, like these dudes, to operate because that all leads to a vacuum of wanting to do anything about the warts in society.
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If you want to see another by-product of this system, watch Last Chance U on Netflix. It's a documentary series about a community college in Nowheresville, MS that exists pretty much solely to take in football players who wash out of big-name schools for various reasons (academics, crime, drugs, etc) for a year and give them a place to play football while they do whatever they need to become eligible for another big-name school. The coach is there to rent these kids for a year and win games. The kids are there to get back to being a cog in another big-time football factory. It becomes apparent very quickly that as far back as elementary school, nobody has ever given a drat if the players ever learned anything as long as they were faster, bigger, or stronger than other football kids.
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And we wonder why these young men are, as a class, notorious for antisocial behaviour. You can write essays about the inherent violence of contact sports if you want, but I think that anyone who is told "As long as you're good at this, nothing else matters" is going to come out hosed up. It could just as well be knitting.
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skaboomizzy posted:If you want to see another by-product of this system, watch Last Chance U on Netflix. Don't forget their saintly academic advisor who's just trying to be some kind of guiding force in their lives.
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Halloween Jack posted:So athletics is effectively part of the entertainment industry, where a few people get very rich and a huge number wind up broke. For that reason alone, welding this industry to higher education seems like an incredibly stupid idea. And just like entertainment, one of the main ways to move from one group to the other is to curry favor with those who are in power.
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exploded mummy posted:At least Paterno managed to disappear the DA who declined to prosecute Sandusky the first time jfc Pretty much the only thing that could improve my stance on Paterno at all (which currently, despite being an alumnus, is "may he rot forever and be condemned for eternity as well") would be if he actually had managed to kill the DA who declined to prosecute. And then it would be only the tiniest improvement, since he could have offed Sandusky instead and then apologized to everyone he had hurt.
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Just got an email from the Board of Trustees at MSUquote:Dear MSU Community,
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https://deadspin.com/entire-usa-gymnastics-board-will-resign-1822463738 Entire USA Gymnastics Board Will Resign quote:A day after the U.S. Olympic Committee gave them an ultimatum to resign within six days or have the entire governing body decertified, the 16 remaining USA Gymnastics board members agreed to step down in the wake of the organization enabling Larry Nassar to sexually abuse dozens of girls and women while he was a doctor for them and Michigan State University. A USA Gymnastics spokesperson told Reuters today that “USA Gymnastics will comply with the USOC requirements.”
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stone cold posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/lynseymukomel/status/956953153089490944 lol Betsy DeVos ain't gonna do poo poo about poo poo in this situation.
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stone cold posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/lynseymukomel/status/956953153089490944 Betsy DeVos' investigation is gonna end with some really stern high-fives, singing the MSU fight song, and expelling some poor students
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Like, everyone knows Betsy DeVos is a piece of poo poo who hates public education but at K-12 level the amount of harm she could inflict was relatively minimal because states rights and whatnot. Her rolling back Title IX protections combined with this incident is a 'textbook' example of the amount of damage someone in her position could cause due to indifference and negligence.
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 Pictured: Lou Anna Simon and her husband, Betsy DeVos and her leathery husband
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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673 This is systemic and the NCAA is unable and unwilling to do anything at all.
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mastershakeman posted:https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673 Friendly reminder that Emmert didn't death penalty PSU and cowardly backed off on any real sanctions when the cult of Paterno pushed back slightly.
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Mark Emmert is a giant pussy and just like everyone else in his position he chose to do nothing because $$$$$
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Gov. Snyder, who has the power to investigate and fire elected officials, is "considering" opening an investigation into the MSU Trustees. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/26/snyder-action-against-msu-trustees/1070652001/ Meanwhile Dantonio had a press conference and denied everything from the ESPN report. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ter/1071276001/ Also the Michigan AG said he was going to announce something right after the sentencing but so far not a word from him.
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mastershakeman posted:https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673 He's hosed.
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mastershakeman posted:https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673  Holy poo poo. It just keeps on getting worse.
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Your Taint posted:He's hosed. We can sure hope. While I suppose it's fashionable to wish unyielding and ever-worse torture on Nasser, I think what really needs to be done is for fuckers like this to go straight to prison for the rest of their miserable lives too. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, pedo enabler!
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tetrapyloctomy posted:I wish there were some administrator who overheard a damning conversation between Simon and DeVos and who had access to some confirmatory e-mails. I'd love for both of these people to burn. i mean... quote:Amid all those horrible details and all the broader malpractice, one strangeness stands out. It’s a meeting that former Michigan State president Lou Anna Simon had with Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, and where that meeting fell relative to when DeVos’ federal agency rolled back rules mandating that universities had to investigate (as well as try to prevent) sexual assault and gender violence. who knows, right?
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mastershakeman posted:https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673 i would like to highlight this for every single goddamn idiot who came in here and whined about demolishing college sports burn it all down friends
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Here's the guy who didn't prosecute anyone: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Dunnings_III Was county prosecutor where MSU is, served from 96-2016 until he got arrested on a bunch of prostitution charges. I don't think this has anything to do with the Olympic/NCAA/MSU coverups but God damnit , no wonder the victims weren't believed
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stone cold posted:i would like to highlight this for every single goddamn idiot who came in here and whined about demolishing college sports (NOTE I AM NOT DEFENDING MSU AT ALL RIGHT NOW) Again, this is not unique to college sports as a very large number of the girls assaulted were through US Gymnastics. The NCAA is a huge problem, yes, but so is literally every other large organization focused on profits before people.
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Watching the outside the lines reporting: I hadn't realized that the assistant prosecutor who refused to prosecute the 2010 basketball rape later got a job in the MSU Title IX office.
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stone cold posted:i would like to highlight this for every single goddamn idiot who came in here and whined about demolishing college sports I think you’d find that college sports fans would probably be first in line to burn down NCAA headquarters. And I’m not even talking big time football and basketball fans, as the NCAA regularly fucks over the smaller sports and athletes in the smaller sports.
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GobiasIndustries posted:(NOTE I AM NOT DEFENDING MSU AT ALL RIGHT NOW) note: i did not say it was the only institution that needed to be burned down Mahoning posted:I think you’d find that college sports fans would probably be first in line to burn down NCAA headquarters. some of them some of them are dirtbags so it’s a real mixed bag
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stone cold posted:i mean... Yeah, the timing and such is so close that I hope they're as sloppy about collusion as the rest of the administration.
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So... are Izzo and Dantonio next to go? Saw that OTL preview ESPN aired, but I’m still on the fence as to whether those two in particular did anything wrong enough to merit turning the pitchforks to them...at the same time Hollis resigning right away after hearing about this ESPN report leads me to think there’s more smoke. If MSU athletics get brought down I hope similar investigations start up at other big universities. Goes to show you what a joke the “amateurism” of NCAA is—everyone is tripping over themselves to shove anything that could upset the cash cow under the rug. Big Slammu fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Big Slammu posted:So... are Izzo and Dantonio next to go? Saw that OTL preview ESPN aired, but I’m still on the fence as to whether those two in particular did anything wrong enough to merit turning the pitchforks to them...at the same time Hollis resigning right away after hearing about this ESPN report leads me to think there’s more smoke. My guess is that the evidence that they knew and covered it up won't be there, but if that many problems happened under their noses (particularly Dantonio's) without them doing anything they should step down.
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What I don’t get is why they protected this Nasser guy so much. it’s not like he was the coach or some irreplaceable public figure. He was just the sleazy doctor. You’d think just for purely selfish reasons they’d care more about the athletes than some no-name doc.
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Delthalaz posted:What I don’t get is why they protected this Nasser guy so much. it’s not like he was the coach or some irreplaceable public figure. He was just the sleazy doctor. You’d think just for purely selfish reasons they’d care more about the athletes than some no-name doc. Because having a known nonce in the organization harms it, it's better to keep covering it up forever rather than risk outing it at any point, no this can never backfire what are you talking about? The athletes, ultimately, don't matter to the organization, there is a very large supply of them as has been illustrated and they can be easily replaced, but people are less inclined to put money into it if they find out that it's a big molestation racket. Basically 
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It takes a lot of effort to become an accessory to sexual assault without being physically present, but we might actually be approaching that legal threshold. Holy poo poo.
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