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What regions belong in the Pacific Northwest?
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wyoming
Jun 7, 2010

Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.

anthonypants posted:

The city of Portland just approved a lease for Multnomah County to have a homeless shelter on Foster, and I am excited to see how badly they gently caress this up.

Starbucks by 2019.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

wyoming posted:

Starbucks by 2019.

You'll love our new hobo piss lattes!

JohnnySavs
Dec 28, 2004

I have all the characteristics of a human being.
I didn't make it to the local feedback meeting but word on the street is the city reps had no clue about the neighborhood particulars. High school literally across the street and an elementary school down the way, zero other services within walking distance, etc.

I'm conflicted since Portland needs homeless/low income housing yesterday, but having lived in this neighborhood for a few years that spot makes no sense. I guess it's about an even split between the tents and RVs around Powell and Mt Scott park, but displacing both groups for the sake of ...?

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

Everything's a loving neighborhood. The kids can handle it with proper guidance. I'll vote for one in my hood.

gently caress these people who can't deal with the poo poo other people have to deal with and seek to push them to underpasses. Take an ounce of your privilege and give it to those who need.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

JohnnySavs posted:

I didn't make it to the local feedback meeting but word on the street is the city reps had no clue about the neighborhood particulars. High school literally across the street and an elementary school down the way, zero other services within walking distance, etc.

I'm conflicted since Portland needs homeless/low income housing yesterday, but having lived in this neighborhood for a few years that spot makes no sense. I guess it's about an even split between the tents and RVs around Powell and Mt Scott park, but displacing both groups for the sake of ...?

If this post was made about Seattle it would be 'Why don't we just put the shelter in South Seattle so that it doesn't ruin the *character* of the neighborhood?' :clutches pearls harder:

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Peachfart posted:

If this post was made about Seattle it would be 'Why don't we just put the shelter in South Seattle so that it doesn't ruin the *character* of the neighborhood?' :clutches pearls harder:

Not far enough how about Orting?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Peachfart posted:

If this post was made about Seattle it would be 'Why don't we just put the shelter in South Seattle so that it doesn't ruin the *character* of the neighborhood?' :clutches pearls harder:

I really don't think it would be a problem if the place had sufficient capacity and had all necessary services and resources located on site. If you dump a small number of beds there and don't provide any services or resources then it is just gonna gently caress up the nieghborhood. They need more than a bed and a roof.

JohnnySavs
Dec 28, 2004

I have all the characteristics of a human being.

Peachfart posted:

If this post was made about Seattle it would be 'Why don't we just put the shelter in South Seattle so that it doesn't ruin the *character* of the neighborhood?' :clutches pearls harder:

I find the syringes I encounter on my way to the bus quite charming, actually. I don't want it to get pushed out at all, I think it should somewhere where people can get help. There's a jobs center 15 blocks away (that I went to in 2011) but it's still sort of Felony Flats around here.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

JohnnySavs posted:

I find the syringes I encounter on my way to the bus quite charming, actually. I don't want it to get pushed out at all, I think it should somewhere where people can get help. There's a jobs center 15 blocks away (that I went to in 2011) but it's still sort of Felony Flats around here.

If you don't like the needles help push for safe injection sites.

JohnnySavs
Dec 28, 2004

I have all the characteristics of a human being.

George posted:

If you don't like the needles help push for safe injection sites.

I was more responding to the "pearl clutching residents worried about neighborhood character" archtype. The city found an "affordable" site in this neighborhood for a reason.

I'm other news, the Portland DSA chapter is meeting Sunday! I'm hoping I will find it encouraging and not cause my eyeballs to roll out of my head. Anyone here have experience with them, either here, Seattle or elsewhere? I honestly have no idea what to expect.

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

Everything's fine.

Nothing to see here.

JohnnySavs posted:

I was more responding to the "pearl clutching residents worried about neighborhood character" archtype. The city found an "affordable" site in this neighborhood for a reason.

I'm other news, the Portland DSA chapter is meeting Sunday! I'm hoping I will find it encouraging and not cause my eyeballs to roll out of my head. Anyone here have experience with them, either here, Seattle or elsewhere? I honestly have no idea what to expect.

actually the meeting is tomorrow and to be completely frank we will be reviewing exciting things like bylaw reform and steering committee election nominations so it's gonna be pretty dry. you should still come through and focus on things like the massive M4A canvassing the chapter has lead over the last few months

also i am bringing a giant cookie and a pie

IM DAY DAY IRL fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jan 27, 2018

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

IM DAY DAY IRL posted:

actually the meeting is tomorrow and to be completely frank we will be reviewing exciting things like bylaw reform and steering committee election nominations so it's gonna be pretty dry. you should still come through and focus on things like the massive M4A canvassing the chapter has lead over the last few months

also i am bringing a giant cookie and a pie

Er, sure about that? Pretty sure it’s Sunday. . .

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

Everything's fine.

Nothing to see here.

Thaddius the Large posted:

Er, sure about that? Pretty sure it’s Sunday. . .

well what in the world am i to do with this pie i just baked

he's right, it's sunday. my bad

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!
I mean, having more pie than expected is the right kind of problem to have!

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

JohnnySavs posted:

I was more responding to the "pearl clutching residents worried about neighborhood character" archtype. The city found an "affordable" site in this neighborhood for a reason.

I'm other news, the Portland DSA chapter is meeting Sunday! I'm hoping I will find it encouraging and not cause my eyeballs to roll out of my head. Anyone here have experience with them, either here, Seattle or elsewhere? I honestly have no idea what to expect.

I don't but I too am going to Portland DSA for the first time on Sunday.

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT
It would be nice if we could talk something about the Pacific Northwest that does not directly involve Portland or Seattle.

God forbid we mention any of the other areas or cities or states/provinces that are part of the Pacific Northwest.

A while ago I seem to recall there was discussions between about the ferry system getting converted to all electric (or possibly LNG) ferries. Has anything recently come of that. I think one of the Nordic countries, (Norway?) converted their ferry fleet to all electric for reduced CO2 and noise emissions.

If they do elect to do that, what about having electric tugs or barges(to move stuff up the Columbia and Snake rivers)? Or is the journey time and power required too much to defeat the flow of the rivers?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
If you wanna talk about non Seattle / Portland politics, be the change you want to be. No one will stop you. It's just that, yes a lot of us live in / near those metro areas. I'll happily talk about politics of Tacoma, Everett, Bellevue, Bellingham and any drat city in between.

Not Spokane though. gently caress Spokane :colbert:

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
There any part of Eastside (Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, etc) that doesn't totally shut down by 10pm?

Washington is kinda ridiculous with how early the businesses close. Some of them close at 6pm.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Jackard posted:

There any part of Eastside (Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, etc) that doesn't totally shut down by 10pm?

Washington is kinda ridiculous with how early the businesses close. Some of them close at 6pm.

That is the Eastside for you. Hell, Lynnwood has better hours on average than most of the Eastside(it sucks).

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Thaddius the Large posted:

Er, sure about that? Pretty sure it’s Sunday. . .

For a moment I thought to myself, ok what kind of hosed up northwest tradition is this where you can't have pie on a sunday?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Senor P. posted:

It would be nice if we could talk something about the Pacific Northwest that does not directly involve Portland or Seattle.

God forbid we mention any of the other areas or cities or states/provinces that are part of the Pacific Northwest.

A while ago I seem to recall there was discussions between about the ferry system getting converted to all electric (or possibly LNG) ferries. Has anything recently come of that. I think one of the Nordic countries, (Norway?) converted their ferry fleet to all electric for reduced CO2 and noise emissions.

If they do elect to do that, what about having electric tugs or barges(to move stuff up the Columbia and Snake rivers)? Or is the journey time and power required too much to defeat the flow of the rivers?
I did not consider putting Norway into the thread poll.

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

anthonypants posted:

I did not consider putting Norway into the thread poll.
Is that sarcasm I detect? Guess I better post a link...

http://crosscut.com/2017/08/washingtons-ferry-future-orca-friendly-low-emission-electric-vessels/

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Jackard posted:

There any part of Eastside (Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, etc) that doesn't totally shut down by 10pm?

Washington is kinda ridiculous with how early the businesses close. Some of them close at 6pm.

Of course not and gets worse the further east you go. It's family land out here.

Senor P. posted:

A while ago I seem to recall there was discussions between about the ferry system getting converted to all electric (or possibly LNG) ferries. Has anything recently come of that. I think one of the Nordic countries, (Norway?) converted their ferry fleet to all electric for reduced CO2 and noise emissions.


There are two ferrys like that in Norway (edit maybe Sweden now that I think about it)
Batteries are probably non viable here with the current schedules, time they spend operating continuously, and number of ferrys in service. If I ever hear anything I'll post about it. I've never heard anything.

Senor P. posted:

If they do elect to do that, what about having electric tugs or barges(to move stuff up the Columbia and Snake rivers)? Or is the journey time and power required too much to defeat the flow of the rivers?

Electric is non viable for most tug and barge operations. There might be some very specific instances where that isn't the case.

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jan 28, 2018

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
There was a lengthy article in the Seattle Times recently about the Fauntleroy ferries being half-empty because the tolling system they use is outdated, and they try to keep the ferries moving in a timely manner. Updating the tolling system would require them to go from charging per car and per passenger in the car, to just charging per car.

For whatever reason, this was a total non-starter; anyone know why, other than "the Seattle Times hates any idea that might create an incentive for a form of transit that isn't single-occupancy vehicles?"

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




The problem is the undersized pier. The ferrys are bigger than what the pier was designed for. So they either stick to the schedule (the metric they get evaluated by) or they don't and fill up. But filling up late will delay the ferry and reduce total trips. Filling up all space in the ferry as a metric might not maximize for passengers and vehicles transported either.

They need a new pier.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

BrandorKP posted:

The problem is the undersized pier. The ferrys are bigger than what the pier was designed for. So they either stick to the schedule (the metric they get evaluated by) or they don't and fill up. But filling up late will delay the ferry and reduce total trips. Filling up all space in the ferry as a metric might not maximize for passengers and vehicles transported either.

They need a new pier.

According to the article (which can be found here) the problem with the size of the pier isn't that there isn't enough room to load the cars on the ferries in time; the problem is that there isn't enough room to get enough paid for cars onto the ferries in time, because they need humans to collect the tolls instead of using something Good2Go-esque. The reason given for not being able to use an automatic tolling system is that they'd have to increase the per-car toll, and get rid of the per-car-passenger toll.

Also, it mentions they can't expand the pier because of some houses in the way; isn't that what eminent domain is for?

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Thanatosian posted:

; the problem is that there isn't enough room to get enough paid for cars onto the ferries in time, because they need humans to collect the tolls instead of using something Good2Go-esque. The reason given for not being able to use an automatic tolling system is that they'd have to increase the per-car toll, and get rid of the per-car-passenger toll.

That's the opinion of an economist who lives on Vashon, one stuck in line everyday.

There is a lot he doesn't know about the systems and regulations involved. It's not the magic bullet he thinks it is. They need a new pier.

This is what I think:

Thanatosian posted:

; isn't that what eminent domain is for?

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
One thing they have started doing to speed up loading at that ferry dock is to have a cop posted and working the line as cars stack up. The timesaver there is thar cars can be actively separated out between Vashon and Southworth destinations and it fills up the lanes faster.

Even so, when it's commute time in the evening, that dock backs up over a mile of single lane traffic waiting to get on a ferry.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

BrandorKP posted:

That's the opinion of an economist who lives on Vashon, one stuck in line everyday.

There is a lot he doesn't know about the systems and regulations involved.

People with money are always willing to price poorer people out of life as long as it makes things more convenient for themselves.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Peachfart posted:

That is the Eastside for you. Hell, Lynnwood has better hours on average than most of the Eastside(it sucks).

I don't know why Eastside gets this rep when the entire city is this way. Maybe it's just because there's no place worth going at 9 PM in North Seattle.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Portland DSA should really advertise on the site better about the time for New/Potential Member meetings. I ended showing up at the time the general meeting was supposed to occur and but was directed toward the new member meeting which was wrapping up. I initially felt foolish, but over the course of ten minutes a dozen or so people came in after me.

MrBlandAverage
Jul 2, 2003

GNNAAAARRRR

punk rebel ecks posted:

Portland DSA should really advertise on the site better about the time for New/Potential Member meetings. I ended showing up at the time the general meeting was supposed to occur and but was directed toward the new member meeting which was wrapping up. I initially felt foolish, but over the course of ten minutes a dozen or so people came in after me.

Where did you get your information about the time for the meeting? All of the events I can find - Facebook, Google, etc. list the start time as the time the new member orientation starts. Maybe there's a stray listing that needs to be updated?

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

Everything's fine.

Nothing to see here.

MrBlandAverage posted:

Where did you get your information about the time for the meeting? All of the events I can find - Facebook, Google, etc. list the start time as the time the new member orientation starts. Maybe there's a stray listing that needs to be updated?

I mentioned this on Slack and we're discussing a bit of an overhaul for prospective/new members in the future, potentially events that occur separate from the General Meetings that allow for a less-intense first time experience. My "orientation" was one of the old guard talking about the history of Democratic Socialism for the last 100 years and had little to no info about the present-day org or how the meeting would be run and wasn't particularly helpful :/

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Burgerville workers formed a union a few years ago (which isn't recognized by Burgerville), and today workers at a few Burgerville locations are on strike. Please don't go to Burgerville, definitely don't cross any picket lines, and consider donating to their strike fund through the Portland IWW or sharing the union's posts on Facebook, if you're on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/burgervilleworkersunion/posts/1517061168420712

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

This is good information, I am headed to Portland in a few weeks and usually hit up Burgerville for a lunch. I will avoid eating there until the strikers receive their due.

porkface
Dec 29, 2000

anthonypants posted:

Burgerville workers formed a union a few years ago (which isn't recognized by Burgerville), and today workers at a few Burgerville locations are on strike. Please don't go to Burgerville, definitely don't cross any picket lines, and consider donating to their strike fund through the Portland IWW or sharing the union's posts on Facebook, if you're on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/burgervilleworkersunion/posts/1517061168420712

I'm a little concerned if the chud-right get wind of it they will form long lines to buy $8 burgers and milkshakes that taste like a stick of butter.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time
I saw on Facebook that one of the carpenters locals was helping them full pout this pocket line at one of the locations. Which is really loving awesome given that a lot of people don't consider fast food workers to be deserving of things like a union, benefits, or a living wage. It is hard to explain even to people who belong to unions that of there is a job that requires a human to do it, that means it is worthy of a living wage and healthcare.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Lakewood City Council votes unanimously to pay the punitive damages for the murderous pigs they let run wild.

Don't worry, though, I'm sure the chief will be held responsible (he hasn't even been fired yet).

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

the victim posted:

Don't hurt my boy

As he died from a sniper shot through the stomach.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
So I'm in my late 20s and in Portland. How do I meet people and make friends?

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