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K. Waste posted:I almost want to blame Pixar, because it seems like, even if it's only at an anecdotal level, the only kind of strong or visceral emotions that are treated as implicitly consistent with mainstream animation is tear-jerking sentiment. Meanwhile, some folks are going back to Dumbo and need to figure out 'what went wrong in my brain watching this,' even though the body of short animated work Disney produced before and contemporaneous with the film is more than enough to resolve the issue. There is no contradiction, Dumbo was always a whimsical cartoon with, like, minstrel numbers and poo poo. I really miss that sense of hallucinogenic and dangerous whimsy. A piece of really good kid media should bring the viewer to the brink of fear, implying a void or a sense of too-muchness in a way that goes beyond stubborn literality - the temporary tearing of comfort and the presentation of something truly abstract. It's almost like there's this rush to explicate everything that happens, which leads to things like the land of the dead or the interiors of the mind being rendered inert.
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Samurai Jack loving needs to win that last category. I thought the season was incredibly uneven overall (the Ashi stuff was awful and the ending was really underwhelming), but the episode nominated is the best part of one of the unironic greatest hours of animation I've ever seen.
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I never got around to the last episode of Samurai Jack but every time I hear someone talk about it I think maybe it's for the best?
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YggiDee posted:I never got around to the last episode of Samurai Jack but every time I hear someone talk about it I think maybe it's for the best? It's not really that the actual last episode is that rage inducing or anything it's just the season as a whole deflating to that point (which I guess is probably why you never bothered catching up). edit: It should still blow everything else in that category though.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Samurai Jack loving needs to win that last category. I thought the season was incredibly uneven overall (the Ashi stuff was awful and the ending was really underwhelming), but the episode nominated is the best part of one of the unironic greatest hours of animation I've ever seen. If not that, the BoJack episode that is in that category is also top tier stuff. Pickle Rick is very well animated, but I don't think the episode itself is a particular standout.
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The tragedy of Samurai Jack is that the first three episodes are so loving good and then everything after that is just pretty good at best and downright Not Great at worst.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The tragedy of Samurai Jack is that the first three episodes are so loving good and then everything after that is just pretty good at best and downright Not Great at worst. Thiiis. I liked a couple of episodes of Samurai Jack's original run, but was never a fan. But the reboot looked pretty neat, so hey. The first three episodes happened and I became SO GODDAMNED STOKED. I swear I watched the nominated episode five times the week it dropped. Everything about it was just so absolutely perfect! It was one of those magical moments where you knew any change would mean diminishment. Then the series shanked me and kicked my dog.
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The ending of Samurai Jack is fine. It's fine. Massively disappointing but fine. I could say the same for most of the rest of the season, as well. There were definite high points (anything to do with the Scotsman, when both the literal and visual divide of Jack's mind, all the action scenes) but the whole ended up being less than the sum of it's parts. Notably Aku, who's mostly a comedic character now and even his more dramatic scenes are tinged with sarcasm and jokes. It's not a departure from how the character was portrayed before so much as only half his personality survived into this season. I think, if Aku returned with more of his sinister nature from the first couple of seasons and presented a more nuanced threat, the season would be stronger. As it is it lacks the same kind of tension that the best episodes of Samurai Jack could offer.
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I feel like if the first three episodes of season 5 were not literally art, the rest of the season wouldn't have bugged people as much.
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Waffleman_ posted:I feel like if the first three episodes of season 5 were not literally art, the rest of the season wouldn't have bugged people as much. The things set up in the beginning of the season and the things that happen at the end are connected but in a bad way. Old man untouchable samurai Jesus is so cool but by the end of the season he's literally transformed back to being a chump hero guy who gets beaten by a monster of the week made of worms. It's baffling.
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Ballz posted:If not that, the BoJack episode that is in that category is also top tier stuff. Pickle Rick is very well animated, but I don't think the episode itself is a particular standout. the good story stuff in Pickle Rick is that it began the deconstruction and tearing down of Rick that continues for the rest of the season. Also it's kind of funny using the trailers for the season because you have no idea what "Stupid Piece of Sh*t" would be about based off of the BoJack trailer
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Aces High posted:the good story stuff in Pickle Rick is that it began the deconstruction and tearing down of Rick that continues for the rest of the season. Also it's kind of funny using the trailers for the season because you have no idea what "Stupid Piece of Sh*t" would be about based off of the BoJack trailer I just pulled up whatever came up on youtube first for convenience.
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Until this thread, I wasn’t aware people didn’t like the new Samurai Jack season. I thought it was fantastic all the way through. 
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The Gurren Lagann ending made me pretty upset. Can't Jack have a little loving happiness?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Until this thread, I wasn’t aware people didn’t like the new Samurai Jack season. I thought it was fantastic all the way through. It is, people are just butthurt by the downer ending. Also not actually defeating Aku and saving the world, but going back in time to beat him and thus erasing the world we've grown to know over the past five seasons. That left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth, he technically saved his world but at the expense of the one we actually cared about. Like I said, it's fine, but disappointing.
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I'm a little bit more positive on Mary and the Witch's Flower than the rest of the thread seems to be, though not blown away or anything. There is definitely something to be said for it being a retread or commercialisation of familiar ghibli elements. At the same time though I think it is comparable to The Cat Returns: just a fun adventure to pass the time with no higher purpose, emotional resonance, or character development. It makes for a fun enough time, just not very impactful. I like the design of the dopey flying sardines, the anti-animal experimentation tangent, and the sequence where Mary just goes with the flow and accepts all the praise during her tour of offbrand hogwarts. My main criticism in terms of commercialisation is with the pacing: even the ghibli films that have been most successful with western audiences seem to have a more subdued, slower pace to their dialogue. This bounces along and talks as much as an American kid's movie. I might be more positive if I wasn't still buzzing off of Big Fish and Begonia showing me something new and exciting, whereas this is just a competent delivery of a familiar style.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Until this thread, I wasn’t aware people didn’t like the new Samurai Jack season. I thought it was fantastic all the way through. I thought the romantic subplot felt insanely out of place, was not well handled at all, and centered around a character who was actively not enjoyable to watch. I also thought the ending felt incredibly anticlimactic, which isn't inherently a bad thing, but was absolutely loving not the way to go in this instance.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:It is, people are just butthurt by the downer ending. This was always Jack’s goal though. I guess in his mind if he went back and changed the past, then all the hardship he saw would never have happened and those people would have been better for it.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I thought the romantic subplot felt insanely out of place, was not well handled at all, and centered around a character who was actively not enjoyable to watch. I also thought the ending felt incredibly anticlimactic, which isn't inherently a bad thing, but was absolutely loving not the way to go in this instance. Yeah, like regardless of how gross and weird the whole "teenager with the mind and maturity of a murderous child falls in Stockholm syndrome love with a man old enough to be her father who is holding her captive, this is a good thing" is it was just really awkward and boring and actively took time away from all the cool action stuff that came before it. It even led to the one time in the entire series that it didn't cut to credits with the rad "watch out!" stinger so they could play a cheesy love song over them making out.
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If the relationship between Jack and Ashi focused on a mentorship, it wouldn't have jolted me out of the story. By cutting out the romance, the show gets an extra bit of time it so desperately needed to make the finale work.
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I’ve kind of fallen away from following anime in recent years. Did Satoshi Kon’s final movie ever make it out of development hell after he died?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This was always Jack’s goal though. I guess in his mind if he went back and changed the past, then all the hardship he saw would never have happened and those people would have been better for it. The best ending for the show would have been for him to liberate the future and come to accept it as home. Yes, changing the past was always the plan but in doing so he basically wiped all of his new friends out of existence which felt super weird. Plus in reality you generally don't get do-overs and instead have to just live with the aftermath of the problems you face, so Jack having to do the same would have made more sense.
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Ballz posted:I’ve kind of fallen away from following anime in recent years. Did Satoshi Kon’s final movie ever make it out of development hell after he died? No. I think the company concluded there wasn't enough made for salvage and no one talented enough either.
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readingatwork posted:The best ending for the show would have been for him to liberate the future and come to accept it as home. Yes, changing the past was always the plan but in doing so he basically wiped all of his new friends out of existence which felt super weird. Plus in reality you generally don't get do-overs and instead have to just live with the aftermath of the problems you face, so Jack having to do the same would have made more sense. If the final revelation had been Aku gloating to Jack that there was never a way for him to return to the past, and it was foolish for him to even try, and Jack coming to accept that this strange new world would in fact be his home for the rest of his life and being okay with that, I might have been happier with it. As it stands it feels like the "all just a dream"-style ending, even if it was the stated goal from the outset. But I also would have been fine if, as nerdman42 said, the relationship between Jack and Ashi had been mentor/student (or surrogate father/daughter) rather than one of a romantic nature.
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There was a lot that was just handled badly in Jack, most of it having to do with Ashi. - Age/mentality difference aside (because it's been brought up), the tee hee, naked, so awkward episode was painful. The "Oh, no! These creatures dissolved only my clothes!" bit is straight out of some doofy anime porno. And as an added bonus! An extended sequence of a man sucking on a girl's leg. - The Horseman was handled badly. Literally some dude following him around, no need to reconcile his grief and regret. - Ashi and the stupid army. - The Mother showdown was supremely underwhelming. I don't know how you even suck the tension out to that extent. It almost seems like there's effort in making it weak. - Mad Jack ended like a wet fart. You had a part of Jack obsessed with the idea of suicide and morphing into a warped creature (sometimes vaguely resembling Aku!) the more desperate he became. With Jack exploring the inner sanctums of his mind, the stage is set for a mental battle made physical. But no, Jack says "lol u mad" and Mad Jack just goes away. -Jack gets his sword back without any real struggle. He sits, meditates, makes some mind tea, there we go. For something so pivotal, the fight to get it back should have been grueling. Or hey, how about this: Your god sword is gone for good. How will you defeat an ancient terror as a mere man? - There was a terribly interesting thought process on following the man who brutally murdered your sisters that was just never brought up. Someone posted that old Japanese cartoon earlier about the lamb who followed the wolf that killed his mother. It was fascinating because it didn't shy away from the emotional conflict. - Scotsman and his daughters just kinda sat around until the final conflict. There was no real reason to ghost him. Ghost Scotsman might have been used to great effect against The Horseman had The Horseman been a spectre that a living man couldn't beat down. - Rushed, impersonal Aku death. - Ashi can't exist without Aku, so she dies on her wedding day months later? ??? - All the above fight scenes mentioned have boring choreography and flat staging. The first three episodes made amazing use of music, pacing, deep space, negative space, environment, aspect ratio, lighting, movement and tension. This all just stopped. And those are just the things I remember almost a year on.
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I haven't watched past episode 4 of the new season, but those first three (and the fourth one, somewhat) were beautiful. I actually audibly gasped when Jack reflexively struck out at one of the sisters in the temple and loving slashed her throat.
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Pixeltendo posted:I get the feeling Gennedy only had ideas for the first 3 episodes and didn't really think through after that. Gennedy had an idea for the first three episodes and then bing-watched Gurren-Lagann and went "Heyyyyyy"
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Sinners Sandwich posted:No. I think the company concluded there wasn't enough made for salvage and no one talented enough either. It's not that dire. The company in question is Madhouse, so talent is a non-issue, and he made enough notes to complete the rest of the movie. The problem is money; it's on hiatus until they get more funding to finish it.
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The Big Bad Fox & Other Tales needs to come out on DVD already. I think it is though since GNK has it as "Coming Soon" on their website and they did Ernest and Celestine?LeJackal posted:Wonder Woman was terrible in so many ways, most egregiously in actually producing a strong character or cogent story line. That it wasn't an unmitigated disaster is damning with extremely faint praise, and it deserves to be snubbed. I mean you're super wrong considering it's the one good female lead superhero movie we have and Patty Jenkins did a drat good job with what she had. Sure the story kind of faltered at the end, but it was a good movie. Certainly beat out Guardians of the Galaxy 2 before it see as that was a mess of story and characters...but this isn't the Comic Book Movie thread and you seem upset because it's a DC movie but...okay, I suppose? ThermoPhysical fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:It's not that dire. The company in question is Madhouse, so talent is a non-issue, and he made enough notes to complete the rest of the movie. The problem is money; it's on hiatus until they get more funding to finish it. That sucks, but at least it's not totally hopeless. Someone tell the Black Swan dude to get in on this.
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Imma rep for We Bare Bears for a second because I love it, so here's the episode that was nominated for an Annie. It's easy to see why it resonated with animation people: it's about the creative process and has a bunch of artsy in-jokes and a few little surreal touches, but it's also very sweet.
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Big Fish and Begonia was odd. It seemed like the characters struggled against universal forces that the audience could never really get a handle on. And sometimes it was just up to a certain character whom we thought was going by the rules of the universe deciding to change the rules to make something completely different happen. The strength of the visuals definitely propelled the film forward.
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Pixeltendo posted:I get the feeling Gennedy only had ideas for the first 3 episodes and didn't really think through after that. Well, the rest of the season had plenty of ideas, it's the execution that was lacking. The first three episodes were probably the longest in pre-production since they were opening the season so they got lots of work put into them, hell it's entirely possible they were produced well before the rest as a proof of concept to get funding for the whole season, so the rest of the season had less time to be workshopped and came out weaker as a result.
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I feel like if I can come up with better, more cohesive ideas on my first watch through something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.
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I didn't really watch Samurai Jack, before or after this new season, so I can't comment on that whatsoever. In the meantime, I picked up a Blu-Ray of The Little Mermaid and decided to revisit it for the first time in over a decade. Did another one of those live-tweet things. Alas, didn't really have much critical to say about the film while watching it, just snarky comments about minor inconsistencies, or deliberately reading too far into the film's humor. The film's too good for any real critique to pop up. That said, there's something about it that I can't quite place that makes me think of it as inferior to Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin after it, but I can't really put my finger onto why. It's like, I keep getting the sense that the film's moving at ever-so-slightly faster a pace than it should be, even though it really isn't (and Clements/Musker have plainly stated that they already had to cut out a fair bit of stuff for time). I suspect it's more that I'm misremembering how the film goes and that more happened in the above-water segments than actually did. I mean, if I did have to expand a few things, maybe expanding upon why King Triton hates humans so much would be good (I'm aware one of the sequels/prequels touches upon it, but in the film Triton's basically "BLARGLE-GARGLE HUMANS BAD" up until he isn't, and the film doesn't particularly explore this chip on his shoulder at all, beyond him realizing too late how it's pushed Ariel further away from him). Also, the film seems to imply that Ursula (in "Vanessa" form) had put some kind of spell over Eric (indicated by a weird glint in his eyes, which is explicitly shown vanishing when Ariel gets her voice back), though it doesn't really show the start of said spell - he's fine in the scene where Ariel discovers Eric's marrying Vanessa, but possessed by the point we get to the actual wedding, with no in-between. Also I rather liked the extended demo version of "Fathoms Below", and the extra exposition it has to offer (even if the delivery of "this ain't no storm; that's a storm, way out there" in the demo emphasizes the wrong word and puts pauses in the wrong spot to the point that it hilariously sounds like he's saying "this ain't no storm, that's a storm!") - the current song is highly unmemorable to the point that I didn't even remember it was a song until this Music Behind the Magic CD my family's owned for God-knows-how-long (and to which I just linked a track of) reminded me the film opens with it, but at the same time, I have to respect Clements/Musker feeling the film needed to get to the start quicker. Still minor complaints at best, of course - this is just a flat-out good movie, even just-shy-of-thirty years on.
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The clear winner is Coco, the others can't hold a candle to it despite some flaws in character design. LeJackal posted:Best Animated Feature-Independent…and the nominees are: I loved Ernest and Celeste so this was right up my alley. I really like the energetic, vibrant casualness of their animation and coloring. Its not the bendy, lazy animation - its distortion with a purpose and thoughtfulness which enhances the emotion feel. If you speak French you'll also enjoy the cast of talented voice actors they used, and the impact they bring. LeJackal posted:Best Animated Special Production…and the nominees are: Animation is, for better or worse, typically considered to be for children. In this case thats a strength as it allows a subject that can be difficult for children to parse be placed in a context that they can engage with meaningfully using a visual and kinetic language for which they have already been primed. LeJackal posted:Hedgehog's Home I adore stop motion and between the two choices in this category I was really torn between the frentic fuzz of Hedgehog's Home, but I feel that the use of perspective and space in Negative Space is going to be used more effectively to tell an emotionally compelling story. LeJackal posted:Best Animated Television/Broadcast Production For Children…and the nominees are: Buddy Thunderstruck is charming, witty, and probably the most genuinely and authentically progressive show for 'kids' out there right now. Who knew that the simple stop motion adventures of a rockabilly truck-racing dog and his albino ferret boyfriend would express so well the enthusiasm, anxiety, and emotional weight of the human condition? We can all find a bit of Buddy inside ourselves. LeJackal posted:Best General Audience Animated Television/Broadcast Production…and the nominees are: Pickle Rick is a fan favorite, but I don't think that anyone can argue that the thought processes of someone with crippling depression has ever been so well represented. We were discussing a few pages back how animation is well suited to more abstract expressions, and in this case changes in animation style from design to movement all serve to highlight and fully capture the mindset of a chronically depressed alcoholic horse-man. Its brilliant in all aspects and exposes a rare moment of self-reflection, putting us truly in the character's hooves.
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