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Jan 28, 2018 23:11
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hobbesmaster posted:Has a BLM cleared ultimate? Yes groups have cleared ultimate with BLMs. Though looking at the top 50 clears on fflogs there is a grand total of 1 BLM, so it isn't exactly well represented. Looking at the top 50 clears on fflogs: (Job(% appearance in 50 clears) Tanks: PLD(100%), WAR(76%), & DRK (24%) Healers: SCH(100%), WHM(82%), & AST(18%) Melee: NIN(98%), DRG(86%), MNK(10%), & SAM(4%) Ranged: BRD(66%) & MCH(46%) Casters: SMN(84%), RDM(4%), & BLM(2%) Obvious caveats, data is self-reported and weighted towards faster clear times. Maguoob fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jan 28, 2018 23:16
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Personally I mainly play BLM for exdr. The dungeons usually don't throw too much rear end in a top hat moves your way and because four player content is paced right for it. I don't mind doing Deltascape normal as BLM but the only one I really enjoy is O4 because it's pretty easy to anticipate everything. I'll never do Alliance raids on a BLM. They're not really suited for multiple fouls and flares, and you're chipping away at the boss' health. I usually run them with a MCH whether it's alliance roulette or Rabanastre. Simple yet effective enough that I can be lazy and still feel like I'm contributing, and being able to move around while attacking means I can do mechanics that can wipe the raid. I thought RDM would fill this slot naturally but it feels a lot less satisfying without your full kit for the alliance roulette and I don't like having to clean up after mistakes.
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Jan 28, 2018 23:50
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There is no denying that blm is probably one of worst choices to bring to a savage fight - it’s one of the reasons I don’t main it, since my static is semi-serious about optimization and dragoon is too loving good - but I think people overstate it’s inability to do mechanics or that it requires your party to baby you. You have to think a bit harder than bard for example about your positioning but that is just part of the class. It’s fine if that’s not your play style but it’s like saying machinist is poo poo because you don’t like wildfire despite it being one if the best jobs in the game right now. It’s disingenuous at best.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:06
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Shere posted:The proposed 4.2 rotation is binding one big red button to Fell Cleave and smashing your face into it as often as possible. And the last finger on the monkey's paw closes.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:09
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Sarrisan posted:it’s like saying machinist is poo poo because you don’t like wildfire despite it being one if the best jobs in the game right now. It’s disingenuous at best.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:13
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Sarrisan posted:It’s fine if that’s not your play style but it’s like saying machinist is poo poo because you don’t like wildfire despite it being one if the best jobs in the game right now. It’s disingenuous at best.  I don't blame you for mistaking the two complaints, since even the developers seem to do so. Which is why MCH is still loving obnoxious to play.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:52
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Given how many fights in this game have a boss go "That's bullshit, why are you still alive" after hitting you with attacks that should logically kill a normal person several times over, I have to wonder if the canon Warrior of Light is Hildibrand.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:58
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Sarrisan posted:It’s fine if that’s not your play style but it’s like saying machinist is poo poo because you don’t like wildfire despite it being one if the best jobs in the game right now. It’s disingenuous at best. It's not really the same because MCH can handle movement and if you can get through how the class plays, you can adjust Wildfires (which is all that really matters). Like, I won't stand the chance of losing something like Hot Shot just because I had to move to avoid an AOE or three when I needed to get off one more attack with a cast time (while doing absolutely 0 damage in the process of moving).
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Jan 29, 2018 01:00
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Still doing MSQs from ARR at a glacial pace: - The sylph situation in Gridania: That was a nice change of pace from the Ul'dah missing persons case. I get the feeling I'll still have to fight Ramuh sooner than later, but for now I enjoyed befriending the sylphs. - Ala-Mhigans: I just rescued this injured guy who ran off to die so his friends wouldn't have to treat him. Someone please tell me they get better. Also I tried out Rogue for a bit and boy it's kinda fun. I'm still thinking of a melee DPS to main, but my experience is very good so far. (although I've always wanted to be a Dragoon in earlier FFs)
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Jan 29, 2018 01:04
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4.1 spoilers: So after it clicked that Lyse wasn't actually immune to primal influence, the next thought was 'wait, the Scions let her help fight Primals all this time?' Granted she never actually does fight one since Warrior of Light handles everything.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:10
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Schneider Heim posted:I get the feeling I'll still have to fight Ramuh sooner than later Nah, he's later. Much later. Schneider Heim posted:I just rescued this injured guy who ran off to die so his friends wouldn't have to treat him. Someone please tell me they get better. He gets better. 
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Jan 29, 2018 01:13
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ApplesandOranges posted:4.1 spoilers: Paplymo probably would’ve knocked her out of range if push came to shove
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Jan 29, 2018 01:13
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Did Yda have the echo?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:17
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Incidentally, I actually can't recall but is it ever properly stated that Alphinaud/Alisaie have the Echo/immunity to Primals? I know Alphinaud joined the Scions way back but thought that was kind of a formality. Thinking back it makes sense that they are immune, since the whole Alisaie and the Coil, but it's weird that this is the first MSQ content where it's actually an important power that they have. Mr. Nice! posted:Did Yda have the echo? She was an actual part of the Scions, so she had the immunity probably.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:17
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ApplesandOranges posted:4.1 spoilers: The majority of the Scions never actually fight primals. The reason they're so eager to recruit you in the first place is because you're the vanishingly rare combination of someone who possess both the Echo and a taste for combat. The past methods of defeating Primals otherwise tend to involve sending in human wave attacks until the primal's too overwhelmed to temper them all, then killing anyone who does get tempered after. ApplesandOranges posted:Incidentally, I actually can't recall but is it ever properly stated that Alphinaud/Alisaie have the Echo/immunity to Primals? I know Alphinaud joined the Scions way back but thought that was kind of a formality. Tempering only seems to be possible at relatively close range. Bahamut was far enough away (and too immobile) to try and temper them. Vermain fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jan 29, 2018 01:18
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ApplesandOranges posted:Incidentally, I actually can't recall but is it ever properly stated that Alphinaud/Alisaie have the Echo/immunity to Primals? I know Alphinaud joined the Scions way back but thought that was kind of a formality. I believe only the WoL, Minfilia and Krile are said to have the echo. No one else is stated to. (that I can remember)
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Jan 29, 2018 01:19
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ApplesandOranges posted:Incidentally, I actually can't recall but is it ever properly stated that Alphinaud/Alisaie have the Echo/immunity to Primals? I know Alphinaud joined the Scions way back but thought that was kind of a formality. 4.0 Alisaie takes off with Lyse just before you fight snakemom in the MSQ The twins are there because the scions need their cash
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Jan 29, 2018 01:20
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ApplesandOranges posted:Incidentally, I actually can't recall but is it ever properly stated that Alphinaud/Alisaie have the Echo/immunity to Primals? Judging by what happens when Ms. Sandman comes to town, they do not.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:20
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The main thing would be that tempering, if the 4.0 quest can be believed, is an actual thing the primal has to do, not just some ambient power. Presumably Cid, for instance, would be reasonably safe if he was giving you air support in the Enterprise-D. So who all does have the echo anyway, other than the WoL, Krile, Minfilia and Arenvald? 4.2 speculation: Does Yotsuyu have the Echo or is that just the flashback? It would actually be a reason for her to keep floating around, given how rare it seems to be.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:25
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Nessus posted:So who all does have the echo anyway, other than the WoL, Krile, Minfilia and Arenvald? Just them and Fordola. It's why the Garleans are so eager to try and unlock it. With regards to 4.2, I doubt it. There's nothing that's indicated she has it before (the flashback is you having it from the memories of the dude you meet), and I feel it'd be a little too on-the-nose to give both of your main female villains with possible redemption stories in the books the same mystical superpower. Vermain fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jan 29, 2018 01:27
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I like the idea of Arenvald being one of the Important Echo People but not being nearly as competent as the other people. There's lots of potential for him to grow as a character from there.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:36
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Nessus posted:The main thing would be that tempering, if the 4.0 quest can be believed, is an actual thing the primal has to do, not just some ambient power. Presumably Cid, for instance, would be reasonably safe if he was giving you air support in the Enterprise-D. Unless this is has changed already Ramuh states otherwise. Even though he's peaceful and can coexist with others, his mere presence tempers the Sylphs. That said, they play it fast and loose with that, so it's hard to say for sure.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:45
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Vermain posted:The majority of the Scions never actually fight primals. The reason they're so eager to recruit you in the first place is because you're the vanishingly rare combination of someone who possess both the Echo and a taste for combat. The past methods of defeating Primals otherwise tend to involve sending in human wave attacks until the primal's too overwhelmed to temper them all, then killing anyone who does get tempered after. Ah, the Zapp Brannigan approach.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:59
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Unless this is has changed already Ramuh states otherwise. Even though he's peaceful and can coexist with others, his mere presence tempers the Sylphs. That said, they play it fast and loose with that, so it's hard to say for sure.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:01
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I don't think Shiva has any thralls despite being a leader of some actual people, but she's a bit of a more unique situation.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:05
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Ah, the Zapp Brannigan approach. That its played completely straight adds to the horror of it.  ApplesandOranges posted:I don't think Shiva has any thralls despite being a leader of some actual people, but she's a bit of a more unique situation. Yeah. Wearing Shiva's idea like a scarf is probably closer to a summoner invoking Teraflare or Dreadwyrm trance. "Invoker", someone who wears a egi over themselves instead of a full summon, is something I'd love to see (and give some of the other primals a chance to be egi'd too) but doubt we'll get. I figure tempering depends on the primal but ultimately is a aura they cannot completely suppress. Summons are godlike things. Awesome images in the classical usage of the word. Beholding them would probably be traumatic by itself, nevermind the risk of the tempering.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:23
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ApplesandOranges posted:I like the idea of Arenvald being one of the Important Echo People but not being nearly as competent as the other people. There's lots of potential for him to grow as a character from there. I kind of like him as a character too, and I'm glad that they have played Arenvold straight so far and he didn't turn out to be a traitor like I felt them might have done. But he's still no Hoary Boulder.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:26
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Thundarr posted:I kind of like him as a character too, and I'm glad that they have played Arenvold straight so far and he didn't turn out to be a traitor like I felt them might have done. But he's still no Hoary Boulder. I hope the next expansion has Arenvold join us on our Garlean road trip. Fighting beside the WoL will turn him into Hoary Boulder v2
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Jan 29, 2018 02:42
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Ah, the Zapp Brannigan approach. I laughed, but it's true. Edit: Actually I laughed because it's true.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:46
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I feel like they're pointing to the story nudging ArenvaldxFordola personally, which might be... interesting.
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Jan 29, 2018 02:58
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Vermain posted:The reason they're so eager to recruit you in the first place is because you're the vanishingly rare combination of someone who possess both the Echo and a taste for combat. More like possesses both the Echo and punches well above their weight by kicking a disproportionate amount of rear end. We're only going in with the eight instead of an entire army, after all.
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Jan 29, 2018 03:01
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Elentor posted:I laughed, but it's true. 
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Jan 29, 2018 03:03
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I've mained BLM ever since I started playing in 2.55 and I've cleared O4S with it with some pretty good FFLogs parses but I don't have any savage experience on RDM or SMN so I can't really compare. But I will say that stuff like Grand Cross Alpha is immensely aggravating because of how much motion it forces you into. (On the other hand, cheesing Grand Cross Delta's knockback by BtLing to your Ley Lines is incredibly satisfying.)
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Jan 29, 2018 03:23
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hobbesmaster posted:4.0 Alisaie takes off with Lyse just before you fight snakemom in the MSQ This does explain how Alphy could afford art school/lessons.
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Jan 29, 2018 03:37
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So, where are you kids logging off before maintenance? What's first on your list come patch day? I've signed out at the inn because I have a lot of glamour work to do first and foremost. I'd also really like to try Sigmascape totally fresh Tuesday night and die with everyone to the Phantom Train. 
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Jan 29, 2018 05:54
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Some people are telling me we're going to have a 24 hour maintenance. Is this confirmed?
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Jan 29, 2018 05:54
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SKULL.GIF posted:Some people are telling me we're going to have a 24 hour maintenance. Is this confirmed? Yes, and it starts in a few hours.
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Jan 29, 2018 05:55
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I always do the MSQ first, and considering the primal is gated by it this time, I think a lot of people will.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:06
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Leofish posted:So, where are you kids logging off before maintenance? What's first on your list come patch day? Dissida NT, and then Opera Mania a few days after. Stormblood is going on the backburner.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:07
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