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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-30/nab-business-survery-december-2017/9373210quote:While the bulk of Australian business enjoyed an upbeat festive season, retailers were looking at falling sales and profits.
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bandaid.friend posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-30/nab-business-survery-december-2017/9373210 the article posted:Within those sectors, sales, prices and profitability were negative, while employment conditions were "strongly negative".
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lol Craig Kelly says we shouldn’t invest in electric cars because they are powered by dirty coal power plants If only there was a solution to this
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I know! Let's make tipping a standard across retail sectors and
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Direct action doesn't work when you are targeting people's feelings. You need to have financial or physical repercussions.Zenithe posted:Calmly explaining to a single person where their animal products come from would be far better than this. 
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Hey JBP, do you know what's involved in producing milk?
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Zenithe posted:
Sir you are trapping mothers in cages and drinking their baby juices. Get out of my house.
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Zenithe posted:Hey JBP, do you know what's involved in producing milk? Nah whats a cool thing to watch about it? I watched that cow movie Di Caprio made but it was a bit flim flammy. Hit me with the good poo poo. e: or do you just mean keeping them pregnant year round and plugged into the milk machine? ee: I'm watching some obnoxious peta video about it while I eat my lunch. JBP fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Kommando posted:Defence Procurement Stuff So wait, we had a profitable production line rolling off defence material and so we sold it to a multinational who probably pays no tax on corporate profits because PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS edit: I love that the entire debacle around retail spending vs. economic growth can be really, really easily distilled down to "Literally all the money has moved to a handful of billionaires, who pitch a couple crumbs at a handful of their white collar minions, while everyone else is totally hosed, and unable to afford non-essential goods in the face of spiralling household debt and cost of living issues" - and yet our media are so loving lazy/complicit that we can't even have an adult conversation about that fact. Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Bishops fear Catholics could be caught in foreign influence dragnet Australian Catholic bishops are worried proposed foreign interference laws could force Catholics who make contact with their local MPs to register as agents of Vatican City. lol
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JBP posted:Nah whats a cool thing to watch about it? I watched that cow movie Di Caprio made but it was a bit flim flammy. Hit me with the good poo poo. In brief: -forcefully artificially inseminated to get the milk going -separated from their calves almost immediately after birth (because otherwise it would be drinking your milk) which causes serious stress to both but especially the mother. -male calves raised briefly then killed for veal (most common source of Australian veal is the dairy industry), female ones get to follow in your footsteps -kept stationary while milking, which is often physically painful for the cow. -prolonged effect of milking machines causes severe mastitis, usually treated with mass antibiotics. -repeat until no longer profitable, then slaughtered Also depending on where, they may also have painful procedures performed on them such as dehorning, which isn't required to be done under anaesthetic for animals under 12 months under the most recent Australian Cattle Standards and Guidelines. It's hosed.
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Zenithe posted:This poo poo annoys me, and just creates needless antagonism towards a movement that most people support on some level. Wouldn't get on the news, though
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Recoome posted:Wouldn't get on the news, though If their goal is to minimise animal suffering (and it should be) then they need to get people to stop supporting those industries. I doubt anyone is going to do that based on this. I could be wrong though.
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Solemn Sloth posted:lol Craig Kelly says we shouldn’t invest in electric cars because they are powered by dirty coal power plants He's my local member and he's an entirely useless lump of poo poo. That being said, Morrison used to be my member before redistricting, and that was probably worse.
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Kommando posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_Protected_Mobility_Vehicle?wprov=sfla1  )And Hawkei ~5% of production. Compared to our F35 expenditure this is completely a rounding error and in no way puts us at number 10 of international arms exporters. This is deputy sheriff poo poo at best.
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Zenithe posted:If their goal is to minimise animal suffering (and it should be) then they need to get people to stop supporting those industries. I doubt anyone is going to do that based on this. I could be wrong though. Fairly certain that literally nobody who isn't already on board with their beliefs will see this in anything but a negative light.
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Honestly the only reason I don't eat a lot of meat and drink almond milk is because it's better for me and I don't get fat. I'll eat a burger on the weekend or go out for a steak, but 5 nights a week I will at most have some chicken and every other meal is vegetarian. I plan to replace the chicken with fish, but that's not a save the chicken choice, it's that I prefer fish and I think it's better for me. This is meant to be an affirmative campaign, not a direct action campaign harassing people while they eat their dinner. Let people make an affirmative choice based on good reasoning even if it isn't the reasoning you like (that it is morally wrong). I don't think it's morally wrong to eat a bird that has been bred from day one to be a big fat protein sack that tastes good and I look at a cow or any other animal the same way. I do consider my wellbeing though and I know that eating nothing but red meat and cheese is going to gently caress me up, so I don't do it. The minor upshot to me is that an animal is never created in the lab/breeder that feeds demand.
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Cool, and the byproduct of that is that a lot less animals will suffer, you have a considerably smaller carbon footprint , as well as the health reasons you stated. All are excellent reasons independently. Almond milk is gross tho. e. Just reiterating I think those activists were idiots.
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Zenithe posted:Cool, and the byproduct of that is that a lot less animals will suffer, you have a considerably smaller carbon footprint , as well as the health reasons you stated. It is, in this case, literally all good. It looked to me like a group of people blooding themselves and demonstrating to each other how on board they were with the crew. Not well planned or well intended. A circle jerk. e: I have done politically motivated acts that were not useful but did make me look like a big man in front of my friends.
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Birdstrike posted:for every chicken JBP is no longer eating I’ll eat two Good. I feel guilty not supporting my old mates, the chicken murderers.
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JBP posted:Good. I feel guilty not supporting my old mates, the chicken murderers. solidarity 
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JBP posted:It looked to me like a group of people blooding themselves and demonstrating to each other how on board they were with the crew. Not well planned or well intended. A circle jerk. This is pretty much the world in general to be fair.
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Check it guys https://www.facebook.com/ClimateChangeIsNatural/posts/1748447445207174 Edit - nvm sorry pretty obvious should have looked closer Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Hobo Erotica posted:Is this real? extremely fake. idiot
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Hobo Erotica posted:Is this real? ah yes the incredibly real and definitely not fake "City of Greater Melbourne" and "Supreme Islamic Council of Victoria".
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Kafka Syrup posted:ah yes the incredibly real and definitely not fake "City of Greater Melbourne" and "Supreme Islamic Council of Victoria". the supreme council of shitposters has declared that this thread is now halal
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The whole "reduce animal cruelty by not eating meat" seems like falling into the trap of thinking individual action makes a measurable difference. Far better than trying to convince literally everyone to not eat meat would be to legislate that meat and milk be produced far less cruelly and accept that the decreased production per animal will result in higher shelf prices and thus reduce cruelty at the start and reduce consumption at the end by using economic drivers rather than relying on good actors to change their behavior since people are fundamentally selfish assholes. I understand how much cruelty goes into all the meat, eggs and milk I consume but I don't have enough personal runtime to make the changes necessary to ameliorate it and I'm someone who cares and wants to do the right thing. Regulation needs to price in externalities in cruelty, slavery, environmental damage etc, by either making them unprofitable compared to non damaging competitors or preventing those practices in the first place and that can only happen through collective political action, not by shouting at people in a restaurant.
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I couldn't really see it on my phone but yes I realised seconds after posting, please excuse me for an unnecessary postJBP posted:"Supreme Feminism Council of Mia Freedmania" Come on now
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hooman posted:The whole "reduce animal cruelty by not eating meat" seems like falling into the trap of thinking individual action makes a measurable difference. Get people to Eat way more kangaroo
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JBP I feel like you haven't fully considered what you're going to do when Freedmania runs wild all over this thread. Again.
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JBP posted:Honestly the only reason I don't eat a lot of meat and drink almond milk is because it's better for me and I don't get fat. I'll eat a burger on the weekend or go out for a steak, but 5 nights a week I will at most have some chicken and every other meal is vegetarian. I plan to replace the chicken with fish, but that's not a save the chicken choice, it's that I prefer fish and I think it's better for me. Lady Dongington and I decided to stop eating red meat at home, so we mostly exist on chicken and fish with the odd vegetarian meal. I also swapped soy for cow's milk ages ago and can't go back, but we still have cheddar in the house most of the time. We still hit the odd cheeseburger up on the weekend, but you know that as soon as Lab Meat becomes economically viable, Micky D's will be hitting that poo poo hard.
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hooman posted:Regulation needs to price in externalities in cruelty, slavery, environmental damage etc, by either making them unprofitable compared to non damaging competitors or preventing those practices in the first place and that can only happen through collective political action, not by shouting at people in a restaurant. I reckon it's a good one to try and change individual habits though, because unlike businesses and individuals consuming power, water and gas, you can only consume so many chickens as an individual. If they ran a concerted lamb/dairy lobby campaign I think you'd get a decent number of people like me that think "gently caress it I'll just buy less of this stuff and improve my health and possibly my wallet" on a selfish level. I know dairy had a lot of money and a pack of no good vegan hippies don't have a man in Canberra, but it doesn't change that no one really ate cheese until they told us how healthy it was. Don Dongington posted:Lady Dongington and I decided to stop eating red meat at home, so we mostly exist on chicken and fish with the odd vegetarian meal. I also swapped soy for cow's milk ages ago and can't go back, but we still have cheddar in the house most of the time. I will feast like a loving mad king on mass produced vat chops that don't cost $40 a kilo.
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JBP posted:I reckon it's a good one to try and change individual habits though, because unlike businesses and individuals consuming power, water and gas, you can only consume so many chickens as an individual. If they ran a concerted lamb/dairy lobby campaign I think you'd get a decent number of people like me that think "gently caress it I'll just buy less of this stuff and improve my health and possibly my wallet" on a selfish level. I don't have any problem with people choosing to change their own habits, but I don't think you can rely on that to make sweeping changes to the way society works, it's too slow and fundamentally requires way too much engagement than you're ever going to get. gently caress we can barely stop this country from electing PHON, how are we going to convince enough people that eating red meat is pretty bad for themselves, cows and the environment, let alone with enough conviction to change their habits? I don't think that people who make the right choices are wrong. I think we need to use more leverage to force people into being better than "please be better people" because that mostly doesn't work.
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hooman posted:I don't have any problem with people choosing to change their own habits, but I don't think you can rely on that to make sweeping changes to the way society works, it's too slow and fundamentally requires way too much engagement than you're ever going to get. gently caress we can barely stop this country from electing PHON, how are we going to convince enough people that eating red meat is pretty bad for themselves, cows and the environment, let alone with enough conviction to change their habits? I am talking incredibly underhanded tactics targeting mums in the same way cheese did. I agree with you on this, but boy, did they clear out that backlog of cheese fast.
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