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Busket Posket posted:An update on Jahi McMath, the young girl who has been kept “alive” on a ventilator for the last four years. Uuuurgh, I hate you for reminding me about her. This is the saddest and creepiest thing I wish I didn't know. Poor everyone.
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Jan 30, 2018 03:31
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Looks like they might have saved a guy tied to a bed at McArthur's.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:On an irrelevant note this reminds of that issue of the Punisher where he executes a defenceless husband and wife in their own home, for the crime of producing pornography with their children. Gruesome and unpleasant, but he's still more moral than Batman. Batman funds a whole bunch of charities and poo poo to help end the poverty that leads people to do crimes and has on at least one occasion given someone a job who he stopped from doing like a hijacking or some poo poo under the threat of "I'm fuckin Batman and if you don't take this job at Wayne Trucking and do right by your family I will gently caress you up" Please don't be the guy who trots out the "if Batman actually cared" poo poo
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Jan 30, 2018 04:31
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Batman is trash for idiots and consuming media that celebrates vigilante justice in a country with a long history of lynchings is hosed up in itself.
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Jan 30, 2018 04:37
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Batman is trash for idiots and consuming media that celebrates vigilante justice in a country with a long history of lynchings is hosed up in itself. Sir this is an Arbys
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Jan 30, 2018 04:39
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Batman is trash for idiots and consuming media that celebrates vigilante justice in a country with a long history of lynchings is hosed up in itself. EDIT: Batman's got the set-up that it can totally be written as a white male power fantasy but at least even then he's got his no killing thing, and a lot of Batman continuities actually take into account the fact that crime is not just this disconnected thing that inevitably happens so we've got to punch criminals now.
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Jan 30, 2018 04:48
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PetraCore posted:Superhero stuff doesn't just have to be a 'celebration of vigilante justice' tho, and one thing nice about fiction is that things CAN be more idealized in it than they are in real life. Being 100% socially conscious and aware of everything terrible happening 24/7 is exhausting and reduces your ability to actually help people and effect change. im gonna be the guy who saysit, Dark Knight Returns is the worst batman story ever because once you get past the idea that its about how things need to change it really is just that white man power fantasy now, Dark Knight Strikes Again, that book whips scrote
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Jan 30, 2018 04:55
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Sir this is an Arbys I'll take a big gulp of curly fries covered in horsey sauce.
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Jan 30, 2018 04:57
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Plinkey posted:I'll take a big gulp of curly fries covered in horsey sauce. 3.75 second window thanks
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Jan 30, 2018 04:59
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Order me a Coke Zero, would ya Plinkey? I'll hit you back tomorrow.
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Jan 30, 2018 05:00
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:3.75 second window thanks Hello, HELLOOO, how do to get my curley fries from this brick wall. Solice Kirsk posted:Order me a Coke Zero, would ya Plinkey? I'll hit you back tomorrow. On it, *turns left* ... sorry Solice, it's still a brick wall.
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Jan 30, 2018 05:02
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Jan 30, 2018 05:26
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I'd suggest y'all try the Wendy's but there's just this ugly bitch at the window who stares at you li- ... *Turns on monitor*
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Breakfast Feud posted:I've read in other accounts that the family had unfortunately given Jahi something to eat (I think it was popsicles) after the surgery and it caused the wound to open something fierce. In the initial accounts there's a lot of varying accounts (understandably) but one version of the story has Jahi's grandma panicking after Jahi started bleeding and apparently she grabbed the suction but it really hosed up the wound even more. I'm going to try and find some links. How is this relevant to her current condition?
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Jan 30, 2018 07:47
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Though I'm sure that in hindsight the guy is grateful, at the time that must've felt like the worst cock-block ever. You meet some handsome older bear at a club, head back to his place for some expected hot bondage sex, and all of a sudden Toronto PD busts in hollering and shining flashlights on you and totally killing the mood.
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Jan 30, 2018 08:17
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Breakfast Feud posted:I've read in other accounts that the family had unfortunately given Jahi something to eat (I think it was popsicles) after the surgery and it caused the wound to open something fierce. In the initial accounts there's a lot of varying accounts (understandably) but one version of the story has Jahi's grandma panicking after Jahi started bleeding and apparently she grabbed the suction but it really hosed up the wound even more. I'm going to try and find some links. One article said it was a cheeseburger.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:10
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Remulak posted:How is this relevant to her current condition? Apparently it's bad when someone has throat surgery and you don't let their wound clot.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:29
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Remulak posted:How is this relevant to her current condition? What others said re: letting the wound heal, but it's also highly relevant to explaining her mother's state of mind and where she's coming from.
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Jan 30, 2018 11:43
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Well and there's that whole 250,000 dollar cap for a lawsuit regarding a dead patient. If it can be argued that she is alive there is no cap on damages. Bigger payout if someone can just prove she's alive. Me? I think they're desecrating a corpse and prolonging the grief over years and years. No one will come out of this better.
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Jan 30, 2018 13:00
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Untrustable posted:Well and there's that whole 250,000 dollar cap for a lawsuit regarding a dead patient. If it can be argued that she is alive there is no cap on damages. Bigger payout if someone can just prove she's alive. Me? I think they're desecrating a corpse and prolonging the grief over years and years. No one will come out of this better. Another way of looking at it is that, in a country where medical mistreatment and negligence of black people, women/girls, and black women/girls has always been, and still is, endemic, the hospital can save itself a shitload of cash if she's dead now
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Jan 30, 2018 13:08
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Whitlam posted:What others said re: letting the wound heal, but it's also highly relevant to explaining her mother's state of mind and where she's coming from. Yeah, if it's true and they fed her something causing this then the whole "she's still in there" thing they're doing makes a lot more sense because that way they didn't really kill their kid by accident. Would make a lot more sense for the entire family to rally around for that too.
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Jan 30, 2018 13:09
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InediblePenguin posted:Another way of looking at it is that, in a country where medical mistreatment and negligence of black people, women/girls, and black women/girls has always been, and still is, endemic, the hospital can save itself a shitload of cash if she's dead now I read some analyses and articles about the Tuskegee studies and Henrietta Lacks and the doctors in the study almost verbatim talked and acted like the doctor in that article. I actually had to reread the passage to make sure I was reading it right.
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Untrustable posted:Well and there's that whole 250,000 dollar cap for a lawsuit regarding a dead patient. If it can be argued that she is alive there is no cap on damages. Bigger payout if someone can just prove she's alive. Me? I think they're desecrating a corpse and prolonging the grief over years and years. No one will come out of this better. Yeah, making the most money out of a lawsuit has been the deciding factor in keeping this going on. They know she's isn't alive.
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Randaconda posted:Yeah, making the most money out of a lawsuit has been the deciding factor in keeping this going on. They know she's isn't alive. Eh. You're not necessarily wrong, but denial is a hell of a drug, especially if it's combined with guilt and a (perhaps wilful) ignorance or lack of education. I mean it's possible the parents are just in it for the payout, but I think it's equally, if not more, plausible that the mother is just super in denial about her kid being dead, and is clinging to any hope she can. See also: the baby Faith thread.
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Whitlam posted:Eh. You're not necessarily wrong, but denial is a hell of a drug, especially if it's combined with guilt and a (perhaps wilful) ignorance or lack of education. Yeah, I can see that. Maybe I've just got cynical in my old age. 
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Jan 30, 2018 13:41
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Randaconda posted:Yeah, I can see that. Ironically I'm becoming more optimistic. Personally I find that very unnerving.
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The quickest way to become cynical is working with the public. People are terrible unless they think there's something in it for them.
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Solice Kirsk posted:The quickest way to become cynical is working with the public. People are terrible unless they think there's something in it for them. humannature.txt
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There sure are a lot of people who apparently read that article and took away the message "yup she's dead case closed, those greedy fucks" I'm assuming the first half of that statement, probably incorrectly
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Jan 30, 2018 14:23
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The fact that a hospital can be sued for less if they actually kill someone rather than just maim them is disgusting to be honest. It highly insentivizes doctors to just give up in situations where they realize they've already hosed up. I mean if you think the parents are dragging this out unnecissarily for more cash, I'd wager it's just as likely if not more so that the hospital purposely killed her/rushed to get her declared dead once they realized they had hosed up.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:There sure are a lot of people who apparently read that article and took away the message "yup she's dead case closed, those greedy fucks" I don't think they're doing it out of greed, but out of a shared delusion brought on by grief and possibly guilt.
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Jahi's mom is not well, and if you've been following this story her actions can't really be explained by just greed. Whether or not she was killed by accident by her family is not super relevant, but it does explain some of what's happened since. After Jahi was pronounced dead at the first hospital, I think the family ended up fighting that claim. They definitely moved her to a more religious state that would be more lenient in deciding just what exactly constituted death. They hired a lawyer for this and set her up in some kind of private care home. Her mom is an absolute wreck, unsurprisingly. She loves dressing Jahi up and posting about how her girl is growing up and moving around and she's just about to wake up. Some of the pictures are pretty gross, the one in the article with her hand isn't even that bad. There are a few that show blood pooling in places and weird discoloration and she always looks very bloated. I'm not sure how religious Jahi's mom was before the ordeal but she's really counting on a miracle and for God to wake up.
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Think about how bad this is for the other daughter. Either she knows her sister is dead and her mom is insane, or she believes her sister is alive and is going to have to lose her all over again and watch her mom spiral out of control.
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So the New Yorker article has this passage, discussing long-term survival after legal death:quote:...a boy who had been declared dead after contracting meningitis, when he was four. His heart beat for twenty more years, during which time he grew proportionally and recovered from minor wounds and infections, even though he had no identifiable brain structure and the outside of his brain had calcified. That refers to the case described in this paper. Which can be summarized as “though extensive medical intervention kept his heart beating, his brain literally mummified inside his skull over the course of 20 years”.
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Jan 30, 2018 15:56
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Randaconda posted:Yeah, making the most money out of a lawsuit has been the deciding factor in keeping this going on. They know she's isn't alive. People keep repeating the "grandmother fed her a popsicle" story, but this hasn't been corroborated in actual news reporting. The New Yorker story instead documents that Jahi was having severe bleeding, severe enough that her grandmother the surgical nurse kept trying to get the post-op nurses to pay attention. That's documented in the medical records. If the popsicle story were true, you can bet the nurses would have charted it. After I read that article, I was ashamed. I'd bought into the "poor black family can't understand death" narrative, which is the hospital's story, and into rumors that made the family look worse. Don't get me wrong; if it were me, I hope my husband would have pulled the plug. He knows this. But the article makes a well-researched point that the brain death standard we now use wasn't chosen based on science.
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But reading the article would cut into the time needed to post hot takes and cluck sympathetically about the poor crazy mother while calling the girl a corpse
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Arsenic Lupin posted:QDon't get me wrong; if it were me, I hope my husband would have pulled the plug. He knows this. But the article makes a well-researched point that the brain death standard we now use wasn't chosen based on science. Yeah, the "cortical activity with a dead brain stem" scenario is so difficult, especially since we have no way of knowing the person's quality of life and because there's no hope for improvement. I personally would want to just be turned off if my brain stem cashed out, because that's the end as far as I'm concerned, but it's not a decision I'm confident in making for others.
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