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Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Poil posted:

So which nazi-supporting businessman(child) will M put forward? :gonk:

Bali/Heberlein 2018

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Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Poil posted:

So which nazi-supporting businessman(child) will M put forward? :gonk:

Beeswax posted:

Bali/Heberlein 2018

Lol, the stupidity and ad hominem of these comments are astonishing.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
They're M's premiere social media drivers/provocateurs and thus the best maga analogue available. But of course you would think I was calling them literal Nazis. I keep forgetting this is the level we're at.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I mean it's not like I was defining Bali as a right wing LFposter the other day or anything. Must def be a Nazi accusation. Yep.

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

Cardiac posted:

Lol, the stupidity and ad hominem of these comments are astonishing.

You can't claim ad hominem if it's just an insult, dumbfuck

Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010

Groda posted:

Sweden is so thoroughly Americanized that the general public responds to American dog whistles referring to things which nearly don't exist outside the United States.

This.

Also M called themselves for a gang on one of the billboards, wtf. sure is a race to the bottom. (I get their "joke" I just think its dumb and weird)

But yeah some sort of (jihadist) terrorism will give sd the victory.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

MiddleOne posted:

As someone who is tangentially related to people who have been active in these circles, it's not necessarily that simple. Now there are radically different rules on different markets but generally trying to push something like cannabis will only attract gang-attention if you're trying to expand beyond being a small-time dealer. The harder drugs however are much more profitable, narrow and above all very difficult to supply in any real quantities so if you try to nudge in on an established market you better be prepared to face 'competition' (which means stabbings and shootings). Small-time dealers get violent occasionally but it's usually in less public ways (arson, beatings and armed robbery were not uncommon between competing alcohol smugglers in my hometown).

Legalizing cannabis would radically shrink the black market overall but I don't think it would hurt organized crime that much. Cannabis production and selling is pretty de-centralized in Sweden. Any idiot with some space in their apartment can become a small-time producer of marijuana at a very low starting cost.

I don't know if it's markedly different in Denmark, but the cannabis market is the main thing gangs have been fighting over for years here. Hell's Angels make a cool billion a year on Christiania alone by conservative estimates. The last major gang war was reportedly about that as well. Anecdotally, my best friend's sister had a childhood friend that got his face blown off covering a shift in a small park in Frederiksberg.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
Gang violence is a problem, and the use of hand grenades on a regular basis is also a problem, but these problems really aren't unprecedented and they're not exceptional in recent Swedish history. In the 80's and 90's there was a long string of large scale weapon thefts from military depots, and not just rifles and handguns either - they grabbed plastic explosives and handheld anti-tank weapons as well, among other things. The best known example of the use of these weapons is the anti-tank rockets that were fired at regular houses in the biker wars in the 90's, but there was also a long series of heavily armed bank robberies throughout the 80's and 90's, culminating with the Malexander police shootings in 1999. There are more examples, like the policeman that was shot with a military service rifle in Högdalen in 1992, the "porn war" in the early 1990's with bombings at several porn clubs in Stockholm (also gang violence), the bombing of the Stockholm stadium in 1997 and so on.

The thing here is that the debate isn't focused on how to get at the problem, it's just repeating that it's the brown people's fault over and over again.

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

^^^ Listen to this bird.

Dunno if anyone mentioned Granatmannen yet. Funny story from 1965, Norway that time.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
If I remember correctly that’s also how the Maoist robbers of Blekingegadeligan got a hold of some of their weapons, from Swedish weapon depots.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Falukorv posted:

If I remember correctly that’s also how the Maoist robbers of Blekingegadeligan got a hold of some of their weapons, from Swedish weapon depots.
Blekingegadebanden, thank you very much.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
The metro ad campaign is Moderaterna i stockholm stad och län. They just want to talk about anything except pendeltåg and Nya karolinska right now. In that sense it's a brilliant campaign since now everyone talks about their stupid ads instead of actual policy.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Fader Movitz posted:

everyone talks about their stupid ads instead of actual policy.
Swedish_elections.txt

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy

Fader Movitz posted:

The metro ad campaign is Moderaterna i stockholm stad och län. They just want to talk about anything except pendeltåg and Nya karolinska right now. In that sense it's a brilliant campaign since now everyone talks about their stupid ads instead of actual policy.

No, you see, it is not their fault. Svensonius is actually the good one, and her husband SHUT UP, SHUT UP LOOK AT OUR DUMB ADS!

A horrible idiot posted:

– Min uppfattning är att Karolinska har använt alldeles för mycket konsulter. Redan i mitt första ärende till landstingsstyrelsen i januari 2017 beslutades om påtagligt minskad konsultanvändning. Därför är det bra att sjukhuset avslutade avtalet med BCG i våras och att både chef i ledande ställning samt ledamöter i styrelsen med tidigare kopplingar till BCG inte har kvar sina uppdrag.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Fader Movitz posted:

The metro ad campaign is Moderaterna i stockholm stad och län. They just want to talk about anything except pendeltåg and Nya karolinska right now. In that sense it's a brilliant campaign since now everyone talks about their stupid ads instead of actual policy.

There’s only so many times you can say “this new hospital is a real clusterfuck”.

I wonder how many people in the Stockholm area fully realize that policies in our neighborhood are driven by moderaterna and friends. I suspect a lot of people blindly blame the government since they have the ministers and all.

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy

BigglesSWE posted:

I suspect a lot of people blindly blame the government since they have the ministers and all.

Or kommunen. Many probably do not realise that there is more to landstinget than SL.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Potrzebie posted:

Or kommunen. Many probably do not realise that there is more to landstinget than SL.

Find a Stockholmer not active in politics that understands the distinction between Stockholm Stad and Stockholms Läns Landsting and I will show you the road to Jerusalem.

Stockholm Stad should change its name to Inte Stockholms Län.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Apropos of nothing, all parties excepting Alternativet—and including Enhedslisten in its newfound big boy pants—committed to the insane budgeting plan created by Bjarne Corydon for the exploding metro costs. They're basically hiding all the rapidly accumulating debt in a shell company whose current value is negative 19 billion kroner, which they puffed up to positive 6 billion by forecasting its revenue 50 years into the future and counting backwards (I'm not kidding). Oh well, it'll be somebody else's problem at some point in the future.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I just read up some on that Mr Akhilov who mowed down some pedestrians in Stockholm. He admittedly did it to cull the Swedish population and prevent the flow of billions of dollars that sweden spends on bombing ISIS... For an organization so much into beheadings ISIS is really bad at recruiting the sharper knives in the drawer.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

SplitSoul posted:

Apropos of nothing, all parties excepting Alternativet—and including Enhedslisten in its newfound big boy pants—committed to the insane budgeting plan created by Bjarne Corydon for the exploding metro costs. They're basically hiding all the rapidly accumulating debt in a shell company whose current value is negative 19 billion kroner, which they puffed up to positive 6 billion by forecasting its revenue 50 years into the future and counting backwards (I'm not kidding). Oh well, it'll be somebody else's problem at some point in the future.
I mean, that's a perfectly normal way to calculate value - though 50 years is a bit much compared to the 10-15 which are usually used for municipal projects.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/beskedet-dan-eliasson-avgar

Dan Eliasson is out.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Good riddance
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/beskedet-dan-eliasson-avgar
Election year approaches and since S is going to go with Law and Order, Eliasson had to go (or well, be moved sideways as is the usual way).

Also, in SVT being unbiased:
https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/debatt-kvp/varfor-undanholl-svt-opinion-live-fakta-i-sin-sandning-fran-staffanstorp/
It is like SVT doesn't understand that any form of sloppy fact checking isn't going to get discovered and published and used as "proof" that SVT is being biased.

SplitSoul posted:

Apropos of nothing, all parties excepting Alternativet—and including Enhedslisten in its newfound big boy pants—committed to the insane budgeting plan created by Bjarne Corydon for the exploding metro costs. They're basically hiding all the rapidly accumulating debt in a shell company whose current value is negative 19 billion kroner, which they puffed up to positive 6 billion by forecasting its revenue 50 years into the future and counting backwards (I'm not kidding). Oh well, it'll be somebody else's problem at some point in the future.

I know what they should do, create a new company for the debts and invite Sweden to participate in it and share the losses.
It seems like a perfectly working concept see PostNord, Öresundstrafiken.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Cardiac posted:

Good riddance
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/beskedet-dan-eliasson-avgar
Election year approaches and since S is going to go with Law and Order, Eliasson had to go (or well, be moved sideways as is the usual way).
I wonder what kind of dirt Eliasson has on who, since he seems to be just impossible to get rid of while being shockingly incompetent in every position.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

It’s like you’re not familiar with the Swedish love for non confrontation.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Collateral Damage posted:

I wonder what kind of dirt Eliasson has on who, since he seems to be just impossible to get rid of while being shockingly incompetent in every position.

I think it's more that they just don't want him to kick off election year by slinging poo poo a government ministers. This way he gets punted into a less public position while still retaining his dignity.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I mean, that's a perfectly normal way to calculate value - though 50 years is a bit much compared to the 10-15 which are usually used for municipal projects.

Let's review: It's a de facto shell company that has a current negative capital of 4 billion with 15 billion in debt piled on top from a forever project plagued by constant delays, massively underbudgeted construction, fewer passengers and higher operational costs than forecast, health and safety issues, cut emergency exits, social dumping, rehousing costs and noise pollution, etc., but if you apply some very, very generous mathematics to this shell company's projected revenue 50 years into the future and count backwards, it's actually sitting on a cool 6 billion currently. Original idea patented by the McKinsey operative who handed control of the largest energy firm to Goldman Sachs and let them extract the profits through Luxembourg, do not steal.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

Let's review: It's a de facto shell company that has a current negative capital of 4 billion with 15 billion in debt piled on top from a forever project plagued by constant delays, massively underbudgeted construction, fewer passengers and higher operational costs than forecast, health and safety issues, cut emergency exits, social dumping, rehousing costs and noise pollution, etc., but if you apply some very, very generous mathematics to this shell company's projected revenue 50 years into the future and count backwards, it's actually sitting on a cool 6 billion currently. Original idea patented by the McKinsey operative who handed control of the largest energy firm to Goldman Sachs and let them extract the profits through Luxembourg, do not steal.

I think the hope is that inflation will tick away and by the time anyone notices it's no longer too much of a balance sheet problem to simply write it off.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
I have a bunch of poo poo to do with MSB at work starting this year, and I am terrified.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Groda posted:

I have a bunch of poo poo to do with MSB at work starting this year, and I am terrified.

https://twitter.com/viktorbk/status/958656041750757376

:rip:

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
I'm calling it: If they don't already use SAP, they'll have implementation plans by the end of the year.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

MiddleOne posted:

I think the hope is that inflation will tick away and by the time anyone notices it's no longer too much of a balance sheet problem to simply write it off.
Yeah, this is a legit way to figure out if investments are worth doing, it's just that in many cases a much shorter time frame is needed to put you in the black - which means this project might be a pretty bad investment compared to the alternatives.* And that's going with the assumption that the numbers aren't fudged in the first place! Realistically, Copenhagen will probably be beneath the waves before this project is in the black.

*Obviously not everything can be given a monetary value.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Btw, this year Bergman would celebrate his 100th birthday so every month SF will show one of his movies. Coming up this weekend is Seventh Seal.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

https://twitter.com/r_daniel_j/status/962616816102146048

https://twitter.com/LisaRostlund/status/962595896004358144

https://twitter.com/AndreMattsson/status/961553992559091712

https://twitter.com/MariHuup/status/961538632216731648

Can we talk a little about how laughably shameless Stockholms Läns Moderates are about their overt corruption and incompetence?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

MiddleOne posted:


Can we talk a little about how laughably shameless Stockholms Läns Moderates are about their overt corruption and incompetence?

https://twitter.com/infinite_scream/status/962634899596431360

I think that about covers it?

I mean, it's not really surprising to see M doing this, just disappointing.

Meanwhile, in other M-related news:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/m-och-sd-vill-se-ny-utredning-om-koppling-mellan-brott-och-invandring

quote:

Sverige borde följa Norges exempel och göra en ny undersökning om kopplingen mellan invandrare och kriminalitet, menar Sverigedemokraterna och Moderaterna. Men frågan splittrar de svenska riksdagspartierna, och justitieminister Morgan Johansson (S) kallar det för ”giftig retorik”.

What are your thoughts about this? Sweden is, as far as I know, one of the few countries in northern europe that doesn't track this statistic, for obvious reasons. Seems like a no-brainer to me to keep track of this stuff, if for no other reason that the first step to deal with any issues is knowing about the issue in the first place, but the drawback is that it can be used as fodder for alt-right types.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
Vad krävs egentligen för att man ska bli åtalad för korruption i det här landet?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Fader Movitz posted:

Vad krävs egentligen för att man ska bli åtalad för korruption i det här landet?

Att inte ha kontakter.

McCloud posted:

What are your thoughts about this? Sweden is, as far as I know, one of the few countries in northern europe that doesn't track this statistic, for obvious reasons. Seems like a no-brainer to me to keep track of this stuff, if for no other reason that the first step to deal with any issues is knowing about the issue in the first place, but the drawback is that it can be used as fodder for alt-right types.

What's gonna happen is that what the study actually shows is going to be ignored in favour of the right pretending that statistics as an academic discipline doesn't exist and raw data tells you everything. So business as usual.

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy

:thermidor:
Let's have a new Stockholm's bloodbath.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Fader Movitz posted:

Vad krävs egentligen för att man ska bli åtalad för korruption i det här landet?

Mycket mer än vad som borde vara nödvändigt. Se också, de bristfällande reglerna för insiderhandel som gör Stockholmsbörsen till lite av ett internationellt skämt.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

McCloud posted:

What are your thoughts about this? Sweden is, as far as I know, one of the few countries in northern europe that doesn't track this statistic, for obvious reasons. Seems like a no-brainer to me to keep track of this stuff, if for no other reason that the first step to deal with any issues is knowing about the issue in the first place, but the drawback is that it can be used as fodder for alt-right types.

There is BRÅ1995 and 2005 which did exactly this, but since facts/numbers are apparently racist, more have not been performed.
BRÅ2005 doesnt actually paint a picture that fits with the wet dreams of the racists, since there is a clear trend of immigrants coming here and adopting Swedish laws. The issue is rather the young men/boys that comes who are over represented if they come after the age of 10 and before the age of 25.

Also, MSB are apparently well suited for the arrival of Eliasson, see the latest idiocy.

Oddly relevant to this thread.
https://www.facebook.com/viktorsval/videos/10155268249976680/

Edit: lol, trust V to provide.
https://amp.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/v-kongressen-rostade-for-att-samla-in-statistik-over-etnicitet?__twitter_impression=true

Cardiac fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Feb 11, 2018

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BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Moderaterna är bevisligen det största hotet mot en fungerande sjukvård, who knew?

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