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Kvlt! posted:Agreed. Maybe High On Fire, but I consider them to have elements of sludge rather than being purely sludge. I would use stuff like Eyehategod, Buzzoven, Gluey Porch Treatments by the Melvins, etc. None of the bands that dude listed I would describe as sludge. Neurosis are like the definitive "atmospheric sludge" band
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COOL CORN posted:We played with Mastodon right after Remission came out and I saw Brent butt-rear end naked, anyway that's my story. This is the least surprising Mastodon story in the world I think i've been lucky in that I saw them three times and they were really good each time, but they were the main show or a festival headliner each time. Others say they aren't nearly so good when they are playing as a festival undercard.
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Stumbled upon this newish Russian band playing old school death metal. Pretty great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7VG9mdLA
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skasion posted:Yeah, for the last decade or so Yep, it's really a matter of preference, but for me Mastodon stopped being relevant after Blood Mountain. Most people place the band's peak at Crack the Skye, but I think nothing compares to the raw excellence of the first three albums. Bolt Thrower
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MikeCrotch posted:I think i've been lucky in that I saw them three times and they were really good each time, but they were the main show or a festival headliner each time. Others say they aren't nearly so good when they are playing as a festival undercard. Saw them touring with Metallica for Blood Mountain and their performance back then as a support act was unreal. They outclassed Metallica in every way, but that was a decade ago and they were really kickin rear end at the time. I've been passing their shows since, it seems I'm not such a big Mastodon fan after all lol. Snowy posted:Weird, none of them would be among the first I'd use to describe sludge to anyone. Karma to Burn But I'd class Kylesa as sludge any day, idk what's wrong with that Also HIGH ON FIRE is one of the most kickass, most consistent and most loving legendary bands out there. Mr. Pickles fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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drat I've seen Metallica twice and each time they've utterly destroyed the openers in terms of quality. Then again, on this last tour, it's not a hard job to follow up Volbeat and goddamn Avenged Sevenfold.
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Leprous fuckin crush live, except they dont play anything from Bilateral or Tall Poppy 
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tote up a bags posted:Leprous fuckin crush live, except they dont play anything from Bilateral or Tall Poppy I am very excited to see them with BTBAM in March
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Mr. Pickles posted:
Totally agree, I just never considered them sludge, but the term is way too broadly used imo. I also don’t like nitpicking sub genres so I’m admittedly a little clueless with my definition. 
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Well there are many words describing roughly the same thing. Its like, the more pop oriented version of sludge is labelled stoner rock, and then you have sludge which is more metal than stoner, and ultimately when the beat drops too low kids call it doom. Matt Pike probably gives 0 fucks about all this, since he like, invented that poo poo. He splintered from Sleep to make metal, and that's exactly what he does.
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High on Fire are generally considered stoner metal, but they’re really their own thing.
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I've seen people call Isis, Cult of Luna and the like Sludge, which confused me at first because I'd always seen them called Post Metal previously. I always think of Sludge as anything that sounds like Iron Monkey. Also Slugdge are definitely not Sludge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRn_dGg4xeI il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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il_cornuto posted:I've seen people call Isis, Cult of Luna and the like Sludge, which confused me at first because I'd always seen them called Post Metal previously. I always think of Sludge as anything that sounds like Iron Monkey. Also Slugdge are definitely not Sludge. There really wasn't much post-metal about this back in 1999: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXmRq3QvHU
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Maybe this just shows how poorly defined the Sludge label is, I always just thought of the early Neurosis/Isis stuff as being on the heavier end of Post Metal. It doesn't have the bluesy bassy riffing of the Sludge bands. Edit: Most of this is coming from growing up with British music magazines and friends, maybe it's a regional thing.
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il_cornuto posted:I've seen people call Isis, Cult of Luna and the like Sludge, which confused me at first because I'd always seen them called Post Metal previously. I always think of Sludge as anything that sounds like Iron Monkey. Also Slugdge are definitely not Sludge. Post-Metal and Atmospheric Sludge are interchangeable genre terms. They're both horrible names so nobody ever settled on one but the latter is more descriptive.
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sludge means you're from new orleans and you do heroinVulture Culture posted:There really wasn't much post-metal about this back in 1999: other than the fact it's a godflesh cover The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Jan 30, 2018 19:15
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hey look a chance to post a good ISIS song that's also 20 years old this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caObFZhzoG8
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If it isn't out of NOLA, it's not real sludge.
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:If it isn't out of NOLA, it's not real sludge. harvey milk's the one exception
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:If it isn't out of NOLA, it's not real sludge. that's a really ignorant statement. Florida has a lot of amazing (and seminal) Sludge bands
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Weaponized Cum posted:that's a really ignorant statement. Florida has a lot of amazing (and seminal) Sludge bands But Grief and Corrupted aren’t from Florida 
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The Muppets On PCP posted:sludge means you're from new orleans and you do heroin This basically sums it up yeah. Sludge is hardcore punk mixed with doom metal. Often with a lot of blues mixed in. Red Fang and Baroness being sludge is wrong 
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The Muppets On PCP posted:harvey milk's the one exception Much like the Melvins, they influenced it. The only other way to say sludge metal is - EYEHATEGOD.
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Eyehategod and sludge are synonymous
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EHG is basically the only band that I describe as sludge, so, yeah.
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Thanks for reminding me about Kylesa, just been cranking Scapegoat.
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https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2018/01/30/demons-slayed-addiction-recovery-heavy-metal/ I know most online metal media is pretty bad but this is nice
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:Much like the Melvins, they influenced it. The only other way to say sludge metal is - EYEHATEGOD. well yeah but if we're gonna play the origin game then we might as well just drop side b of my war and be done with it
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If Black Sabbath was from New Orleans instead of Birmingham, we'd call them sludge metal too.
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Laughing at the posers who don't know real sludge started with Beethoven
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I always figured sludge was just shouty fast doom.
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Kvlt! posted:Laughing at the posers who don't know real sludge started with Beethov*en
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Parachute posted:hey look a chance to post a good ISIS song that's also 20 years old this year They were an ok band i guess but their recent activities in the middle east have really soured me on them
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Beethoven was doom as gently caress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU The guy could do it all,a true chameleon,the judas priest of classical music.
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Mozart was simultaneously doom and shred, clearly the GOAT
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paganini was the shredmaster e: i'm an old fart who learned guitar back before the internet let you watch a billion janitor sweeping videos on youtube so we had cool-rear end books like this, with a tape. not even cd but tape 
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The Muppets On PCP posted:paganini was the shredmaster Not even joking I’m tracking that book down asap
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NonzeroCircle posted:Thanks for reminding me about Kylesa, just been cranking Scapegoat. Kylesa will always be the band with the best opening track on every album, they follow a formula but its a loving great formula. Scapegoat and Tired Climb and Exhale  Edit: and just found out they broke up in 2016 after Exhausting Fire, for fucks sake Lid fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Kilometers Davis posted:Not even joking I’m tracking that book down asap it's not very good. mostly snippets of string parts from a couple dozen pieces and no backing arrangements or anything
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